Rods Pontiac Pro Stock now Painted.

SpoolMan · 05-04-2007, 03:39 AM

Paint was done by Macintyres Panel Shop and Action Body works both in Airport west.
Blue is from Nissan 350Z, Red stripe is suduction..yellow I cant remember we must have went through hundreds of yellow charts and samples.
Hugo has the Auto ready.
Now waiting on a full set of windows to come from the States.
New carby's and manifold to be fitted then its off to the engine dyno again.
Made 770 H/P last time, with a better breathing manifold and custom carby's should see 800 H/P.
I have some pictures from the engine dyno room I will post later.

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CAMS290 · 06-04-2007, 01:00 PM

Tuff looking beast Mark....what happened to the Monza ?

Casper · 06-04-2007, 01:02 PM

Fantastic looking paint scheme.. cant wait to see this one hit the track!

agony · 06-04-2007, 01:02 PM

Very nice looking car, awesome looking paint work.

**Whoosha** · 06-04-2007, 02:47 PM

When"s the expected play time going to happen ??? :Reverend:
Don"t want to miss this one :eclipsee_
Whoosha ..

SpoolMan · 06-04-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMS290

Tuff looking beast Mark....what happened to the Monza ?

Sold it minus motor and auto, went to a local so we should still see it around..
The motor he may still use to run in a different class...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoosha

When"s the expected play time going to happen ??? :Reverend:
Don"t want to miss this one :eclipsee_
Whoosha ..

I will let you know, like a lot of these projects there always behind time, this started out as a feshin-up of the Monza engine over 2 years back.
Now its a new car, new George Haddad Built 440ci small block chev, which will also need a walk in trailer for the cars home and tools, we plan on doing the odd interstate meet when time permits.

rodderz · 06-04-2007, 05:13 PM

Thats come up pretty good, I bet Rod's happy with the result. Like the monza it'sa got the prime pozzy in the workshop too

Looking foreward to seeing him give it a few test runs when all is ready

Has he added a passenger seat for you Mark?

SpoolMan · 06-04-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rodderz

Has he added a passenger seat for you Mark?

Nope that's for him..lol..
Like always he says I must have a steer, I will leave that to him I dont think I have a 8 sec pass in me..

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I will keep playing crew chief its safer... :gren:

Craig · 06-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Out of interest Mark, the title says Pro Stock and the story says it's an Auto, i don't know much about Pro Stock but i thought they ran a jerrico manual gearbox or similar or is the car destined for a different class. Just curious that's all.

Cheers Craig

SpoolMan · 06-04-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig@ACE

Out of interest Mark, the title says Pro Stock and the story says it's an Auto, i don't know much about Pro Stock but i thought they ran a jerrico manual gearbox or similar or is the car destined for a different class. Just curious that's all.

Cheers Craig

It was last raced as a Pro Stock and still has clutch pedal, the age of this car means it cant run in pro-stock any more not sure if that's a rule or just wouldn't be competitive in that class.
Also the engine being a 440ci that's outside there rules too I think..
Having 2 engines will allow him to choose between 2 other classes, the 440ci will be the main set-up.

Pro Stock is one of my favourite classes, close racing and tight rules means all set-ups are very similar.

BJ · 06-04-2007, 06:26 PM

I take it it hasn't been cut and polished yet.

SpoolMan · 06-04-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BJ

I take it it hasn't been cut and polished yet.

Correct paint is still to fresh, will wait for around 8 weeks after painting.

**Chris** · 08-04-2007, 04:16 PM

440 inch motor in Super stock will limit you to A/gas or A/AP in Comp eliminator.

6 second pass in A/AP by johnsy, very tough class, needing at least 1300 NA HP before even thinking about stepping onto the track. Its a class that needs a $250K per year budget to stay on top of engine tech and clutch issues. also, 1.0 sixty foots kept him awake......nice guy johnsy, bought a ray franks clutch off him years ago.

Pro stock gearbox of choice is the Libetry, with a few guys running G/force's. Jerico's are mostly used in Bgas and other gas and MP classes.

Looks like a good motor/car setup for super comp (8.90) or a fast super gas - there is always the super sedan class, a lot of ex pro cars with "inbetween" motors find themselves there.

SpoolMan · 08-04-2007, 11:05 PM

These Pictures and small Videos were taken on my old Nokia (poor quality), next time its on the engine dyno I will use a Video Camera, I had to leave my phone in the Dyno room once the engine was put under load only George was in there for 1 minute and it was tuned.
The carbys and manifold don't breath enough for the engine set-up, this is to be changed and back on the engine dyno.

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BJ · 08-04-2007, 11:59 PM

Who's dyno is George using now or has he finally got his own. I know he use to use Ray's at warlord.

SpoolMan · 09-04-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Who's dyno is George using now or has he finally got his own. I know he use to use Ray's at warlord.

I am not sure if he owns this one it was in a factory in Croydon somewhere around there, looks a dated set-up still does the job though.

BJ · 09-04-2007, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

I am not sure if he owns this one it was in a factory in Croydon somewhere around there, looks a dated set-up still does the job though.

Ah OK. He is still using Rays old one. Thought as much. You would think after all theses years he would have his own by now.

SpoolMan · 09-04-2007, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BJ

Ah OK. He is still using Rays old one. Thought as much. You would think after all theses years he would have his own by now.

He doesn't have the room, his brother doing the Russell pans takes up most of the workshop.
You may also find that George has some sort of stake in that set-up now.

agony · 10-04-2007, 08:01 AM

The engine dyno in Croydon was never Rays and may be dated but does a good job. Thats the only dyno I have seen George use recently and is always making big numbers.
I know in the past alot of the Pro Stock guys used that dyno and where always happy.

BZINGA · 10-04-2007, 06:36 PM

Paul owns the dyno, my engine was dynoed there aswell, be careful, apparently this dyno is very very happy according to a certain engine builder who gets mentioned abit in the clevo section, but his is spot on

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SpoolMan · 10-04-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TRIK67

Paul owns the dyno, my engine was dynoed there aswell, be careful, apparently this dyno is very very happy according to a certain engine builder who gets mentioned abit in the clevo section, but his is spot on

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I met Paul, loves his turbo stuff told me a few good stories about the early days of the rotatory powered turbo cars and some records they held many years back...
George is a walking Encyclopaedia when it comes to engine building / Drag racing follows the engine all the way through to the race track.

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PS: I don't want this thread turned into a Dyno debate.

Rod · 10-04-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CAMS290

Tuff looking beast Mark....what happened to the Monza ?

Hi Cameron
the Monza has been sold to a friend of mine & all going well we will be starting to put it back together this weekend

the Monza was always a toe in the water so to speak to see how far we wanted to go, the Pontiac is the next step...... but not the last

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if we can get around 4 years out of it we will be happy, maybe junior can use it as a stepping stone to get into my next toy

catch up with you soon

regards
rod

Rod · 10-04-2007, 10:54 PM

06-04-07 02:47 PM
Whoosha When"s the expected play time going to happen ???
Don"t want to miss this one
Whoosha ..
06-04-07 01:02 PM
agony Very nice looking car, awesome looking paint work.
06-04-07 01:02 PM
Casper Fantastic looking paint scheme.. cant wait to see this one hit the track!

thanks Guys
much appreciated

i am sure the windows are coming on a cruise liner ...... :jab: or a slow boat from you know were

they are the main hold-up at the moment

regards
rod

Rod · 10-04-2007, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

Sold it minus motor and auto, went to a local so we should still see it around..
The motor he may still use to run in a different class...

I will let you know, like a lot of these projects there always behind time, this started out as a feshin-up of the Monza engine over 2 years back.
Now its a new car, new George Haddad Built 440ci small block chev, which will also need a walk in trailer for the cars home and tools, we plan on doing the odd interstate meet when time permits.

the Original engine from the Monza is sold, the 440 was going to slot into the Monza & its your fault the quick freshn up has taking this longgggg
:lookedat:

regards
rod

Rod · 10-04-2007, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodderz

Thats come up pretty good, I bet Rod's happy with the result. Like the monza it'sa got the prime pozzy in the workshop too

Looking foreward to seeing him give it a few test runs when all is ready

Has he added a passenger seat for you Mark?

hi Rod
Mark has been offered a Drive & knows he is quite welcome whenever he is ready

regards
rod

SpoolMan · 10-04-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rod

the Original engine from the Monza is sold, the 440 was going to slot into the Monza & its your fault the quick freshn up has taking this longgggg
:lookedat:

regards
rod

I cant keep up with it all......I know one thing once this is going I wont have to play with mine..
Change your avatar your on the darkside now..lol..

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Rod · 10-04-2007, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig@ACE

Out of interest Mark, the title says Pro Stock and the story says it's an Auto, i don't know much about Pro Stock but i thought they ran a jerrico manual gearbox or similar or is the car destined for a different class. Just curious that's all.

Cheers Craig

hi Craig

Liberty is what most run in Prostock as its almost trouble free, simple to rebuild & you will get a full season out of it if you look after it

this car isnt suitable for Pro anymore, it was last driven in Prostock by Rod Ware as in Smith & Ware & prior to that it was raced by Dave Missingham

you may recall it when it was Pink ( Smith & Ware ) i think they were the third car in Australia to run a 7 Second pass in Pro

or

when Wayne & Dave Missingham won the 92 Nationals it was painted Blue with the Aussie Flag over it

regards
Rod

Rod · 10-04-2007, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpoolMan

It was last raced as a Pro Stock and still has clutch pedal, the age of this car means it cant run in pro-stock any more not sure if that's a rule or just wouldn't be competitive in that class.
Also the engine being a 440ci that's outside there rules too I think..
Having 2 engines will allow him to choose between 2 other classes, the 440ci will be the main set-up.

Pro Stock is one of my favourite classes, close racing and tight rules means all set-ups are very similar.

correct amoundo

Prostock is 400Ci or 401 Ci MAXIMUM

the minimum weight is 2300Lb

you must be right on with the Ci, if they pump the engine & find it to over 401Ci you are Goneeee

the manual it to help extract the last 1/1000 of Hp out of the engine as its a fine line between winning & loseing

apart from that you need to run a 7.2 something to get into the field as its only an 8 car field & Prostock in Australia is booming with most meeting being over subscribed

regards
rod

Rod · 10-04-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

440 inch motor in Super stock will limit you to A/gas or A/AP in Comp eliminator.

6 second pass in A/AP by johnsy, very tough class, needing at least 1300 NA HP before even thinking about stepping onto the track. Its a class that needs a $250K per year budget to stay on top of engine tech and clutch issues. also, 1.0 sixty foots kept him awake......nice guy johnsy, bought a ray franks clutch off him years ago.

Pro stock gearbox of choice is the Libetry, with a few guys running G/force's. Jerico's are mostly used in Bgas and other gas and MP classes.

Looks like a good motor/car setup for super comp (8.90) or a fast super gas - there is always the super sedan class, a lot of ex pro cars with "inbetween" motors find themselves there.

Hi Chris
long time no speak
how it all going

the 440 is to get some seat time in the car & get used to it as its been awhile

to run the 440 in A/GA it would need to weigh in at 2376Lb as A/G is 5.4 Lb/Ci

to run the 440 in A/APA it would need to weigh 1980 Lb min & make a good 1400 Hp & i am not even interested in going there

as for the budget we dont need anywere near what they spend, we have what we need & thats all that matters to us

you should come out to a real meeting & see Ian Johns in action, the work they do between rounds is more than what the pro guys do

as for the Jerico i dont think may guys run them now as the Liberty has become more affordable to /G racers & to run /GA most will use a Proflight or a Coan as they need the 3 gears to stop the engine from being pulld down to far on the change

i dont mind Super Gas but that not were we are heading

if we run the 374Ci engine we will need to run A/GA & weigh 2019Lb - 5.4Lb/Ci

or to run the 320 Ci Engine we will slot right into B/GA @ 2080 Lb - 6.5Lb/Ci

John Galea hold the record in A/GA with a 7.6? in Bruno's old Oldsmobile & Craig Geddes has just reset the B/Ga record to 7.9

guess you will know were we are heading

regards
rod

Rod · 11-04-2007, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

The carbys and manifold don't breath enough for the engine set-up, this is to be changed and back on the engine dyno.

the Hogans Manifold & twin Braswells & of & the new Sheetmetal CFE Manifold have Arrive

as for the pair of Pro System carbs i hope the work as nice as they look, i was supprised how quick the arrived, lucky they wernt sent on the XXXXXXX boat the windows are coming on

regards
rod