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Ok guys, i need a hand...
Yesterday, the car started running like crap, and backfired on gas.. Ok, my first thought were plugs and possibly coil pack.. so i did the cheapest..plugs.. put new plugs in today, checked the gap.. all 0.8mm started it up and reset the ECU.. now, it still ran rough.. i took it for a drive and it wasn't idling right when i stopped.. both on gas and petrol.. anyway, as i came off the accelerator and back on it around a corner, there was a huge backfire on gas and then it stalled.. when i started it back up on petrol it was idling at 3000rpm... sounds like its only running on 4 cylinders and wont idle on gas anymore.. my thoughts now... headgasket.. i took the radiator cap off and ran the car.. water was flying out at idle almost as if there was pressurised air running through it constantly.. Could the headgasket be split and pressurising the cooling system..? Is this a headgasket prooblem guys or have i done a little bit more damage than that..? the car is running really rough and idles at 2500-3000rpm.. i've checked for vacuum leaks but there doesn't seem to be any.. any help appreciated.. cheers kris
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11-10-2009, 06:23 PM
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dont sound good mate, hope you fix it
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11-10-2009, 06:26 PM
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You change you're air filter since the dust?
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11-10-2009, 06:27 PM
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i live in melb, so we didn'rt get the dust.. and yeah i washed the Air Filter (k&n) about 2000kms ago whe i serviced it..
cheers
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11-10-2009, 06:41 PM
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Could possibly be a head gasket, my EF blew its gasket recently and it ran very poorly at idle and when starting. I found with my EF the water in the radiator stunk like exhaust when it blew its gasket so that might be a thing to check. If you have a compression gauge handy do a test of the compression on the cylinders. If one of the cylinders is down on pressure by more than 10psi then there is most likely something up with the head. Thats all I can think of at the moment, hope it helps.
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11-10-2009, 06:45 PM
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cheers mate.. yeah it does help..
i'm going to test it tomorrow.. it does have an unusual smell to it..
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11-10-2009, 07:00 PM
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If it is leaking and you have access to the appropriate tools, its quite cheap to fix it yourself (as opposed to taking it to a mechanic). My Dad and I fixed ours in about a week. We took the head off and found the source of the leak to be water leaking from the water gallery into the number 4 cylinder.
We took the head to a Cylinder head re-conditioners and got it fully reconditioned for $350 (Machined all surfaces, new valve guides, seals and pressure test). Add that to a Gasket kit and bolts ($170) and It cost us around $520 to fix. Also as for any other internal damage to the engine, ours was fine after the new head and the guy at the machine shop said that the I6 engines are pretty tough on the bottom end and rarely get damaged from a leaking head. So hopefully its all good.
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11-10-2009, 07:06 PM
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fair enough.. na i won't be doing that mate... i'll be doind an engine conversion.. been in touch with a guy with a lot of t-series things.. so a V8 will be going in if this is stuffed
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11-10-2009, 07:08 PM
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It wont be a headgasket, if it is, it would be the first AU Ive ever heard of (cabs included) that has blown a headgasket.
It will be something else, give it a service with new oil etc, clean your throttlebody, replace oxy sensor, make sure your plugs are good, even try and run it around the block without the airfilter just to see if it is that. Do everything you can for free first, then see what you come up with.
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11-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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i just did all that....
new plugs new oil new filter cleaned air filter cleaned throttle body ran it without filter an ran with.. idles like its running on 4 cyliders and idles at 3000rpm.. i've checked all the vacuum lines for leaks.. what would be causing the water to be pressurising so much?? cheers mate
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11-10-2009, 07:44 PM
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Don't stress about the flow of water if there aren't any bubbles apearing.
remover your intake, make sure the butterfly is closed, if so recheck all vacumm hoses. Check intake manifold bolts are done up tight. |
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11-10-2009, 07:59 PM
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Your cat hasnt decide to collapse at all?
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11-10-2009, 08:19 PM
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ok guys... well i went over it one last time... and i found a huge piece of the inlet gasket missing... the backfire must have blown it out...
it still backfired for a reason though so i'm going to change the coil pack to make sure.. now, to start taking off the manfold.. thanks for all the help guys.. it's much appreciated..
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11-10-2009, 08:25 PM
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don't forget to take pics!!!!
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11-10-2009, 08:26 PM
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as reference or for the forums??
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11-10-2009, 08:29 PM
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11-10-2009, 08:30 PM
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haha.. i've done em before, so i shoud be alright.. but i will take some and put em up for people that have never seen it done..
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11-10-2009, 09:52 PM
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Its times like these when those 10mm ratcheting spanners come in handy. Those rear bolts are a pain in the butt, but with the ratcheting spanner, makes t so much easier.
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11-10-2009, 09:56 PM
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thanks for reminding me... they're a pain in the aaarsse...
i'll pick one up tomorrow... cheers for that bud
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11-10-2009, 10:00 PM
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I hope its nothing serious kris.
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11-10-2009, 10:04 PM
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yeah me too... i'm gonna change the coil pack and the destroyed manifold gasket and see where we go from there..
if its stuffed then it's coming out and a nice V8 will be going in... hopefully, it's not stuffed though.. couldn't happen at a worse time.. got so much stuff on atm.. anyway, i'll kepp you all posted.. cheers guys
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All the best with it. GK
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12-10-2009, 10:44 AM
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any update on what's happening mate???
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12-10-2009, 10:48 AM
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Just went to ford and got the manifold gasket...
I'm gonna start doing that tonight... couldn't have happened at worse time.. i'm doing 14 hour days at work.. so it's gonna be a big few days.. As GK said to do, i'm going to change the gasket then see how it runs.. If it's still rough then i'll change the coil pack.. If so, i'm going to do leads as well.. At least i'll be starting fresh on the ignition side.. New plugs, leads and coil pack.. I'll post some pics of the hole it blew out when it backfired.. It's quite a big piece missing...
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good luck with it mate!!! Hopefully it all turns out ok!!! What leads you running?
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just ford ones... motorcraft i think...
should i change to something else? if so, what do you guys recommend..?
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I've got Eagle ones going on later this week.....others recommend Top Gun, or Bosch...
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Cool... is it worth going bigger than 8.0mm?
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I wouldn't think so.....but here's a link to the 9.0mm Eagle Eliminator ones...
http://www.eagleproducts.com.au/prod...eliminator.php But 8.0mm should be fine, better than OEM anyway!!!
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i might have a look anyway.. can't hurt to go 9.0mm i guess..
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My Fairlane running like crap!!!!
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