Valiant 265 4 speed

Scone · 02-11-2007, 11:33 PM

Hi everyone , has anyone owned or driven a 265 hemi manual valiant?
Looking for opinions on performance and problems

thanks

dallasv8 · 02-11-2007, 11:50 PM

a bloke i work with has a charger and it goes hard

. the exhaust sounds great with the system thats on it.im pretty sure it has triple carbies as well.

as for problems, all hes mentioned was that the sunroof leaks a bit

**aussiblue** · 03-11-2007, 12:02 AM

Never exactly that combination (an auto CM 245, a 245 4 speed Centura and auto 265 VL Charger). Rust never goes away and many parts are impossible to get but nonetheless great engines and gear boxes. The rust and lack of parts was the reason the CM went I was cutting rust out around the fronr and rear windows every year and making parts. Front subframe under steering box also breaks in most Valiants but there is a readily available standard repair piece.

schnoods · 03-11-2007, 12:12 AM

My Old man had a CL Drifter with a 265 and 4 speed. Went really good, Had a 2 barrel 500 holley on it and with the exhaust a few people mistook it for an 8.

Bulletproof motor if you don't do anything stupid with em. Boxe's are pretty good in them too, As said before it does depend on which vehicle its in.

gazza750 · 03-11-2007, 04:57 AM

i have owned 2 x 265 hemi 4 speed cars
first an e 38 charger then an e49
awesome powerplants
hemi is a great design i ended up running triple dellorto carbies as they were much easier to tune and keep in tune than the stock webbers

**Falcon Coupe** · 03-11-2007, 07:35 AM

They can be made to go quite well, one of these will help.

twr7cx · 03-11-2007, 08:14 AM

I had a VJ ute with a 245 turned 265, 650 Holley and 4 speed singlerail. Thing was nuts. Shited all over my previous ute which was an XC with a 302C. Sold it to a mate, and I've been wanting it back ever since.

CAMS290 · 03-11-2007, 08:33 AM

I had one about 18 years ago, 265 Hemi, E49 bottom end, TO4 Garrett, 4 speed and a 9".

It would eat my Pursuit !

mcnews · 03-11-2007, 12:02 PM

Great motors with amazing bottom end pull when fitted with the triple carbs. Most would have imagined the E49 to be a top end motor but it had monster torque off the bottom that surpassed what was available from any V8 at the time. My Webers never really used to go out of tune but it was an original car and the original Webers were designed especially for the 265 (over 10,000 miles of testing around Italy), so when people get a mismatch of bits from here and there and everywhere then that is generally where the tuning dramas comes from. That and also having a tuner that doesn't know how to tune, LOL. Was a Charger drag car over here many moons ago running triple Webers and after swapping them for injection it took them more than two years to run the same numbers they were running with the Webers.

The four-speeds have a habit of the shifter coming out but a quick self tapper into the plastic threads of the shifter collar fixes that.

burnz · 03-11-2007, 12:38 PM

yep had a 265 hemi centura with it's teeth pulled (no grille)
very good mechanicly (fultless)
cancer was a problem tho.

**Sorted** · 03-11-2007, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

They can be made to go quite well, one of these will help.

Just purchased on of those

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ANYWAY - Got one Sitting in my Garage!

What do you want to know exactly?

Look here for more details about the engine in standard form 265 Engines Specs

**Falcon Coupe** · 03-11-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DRHEMI

Just purchased on of those

:

ANYWAY - Got one Sitting in my Garage!

What do you want to know exactly?

Look here for more details about the engine in standard form 265 Engines Specs

The work well, CHI had a 265 in a Torana, it did 10 second passes n/a.

atec77 · 03-11-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scone

Hi everyone , has anyone owned or driven a 265 hemi manual valiant?
Looking for opinions on performance and problems

thanks

I ran an E49 copy back in the days when young , now more info would be good as the 265 is a good motor , tuned with decent carbs and the 4 speed it is very quick in all the bodies although the ute is tail lite and you will never pass a fuel station .

mcnews · 03-11-2007, 03:26 PM

Did a 787 mile weekend in my E49 that saw all signposted corners km/h signs taken at mph, a navigation rally, air strip drags, motorkhana etc. and over the whole lot it still averaged 15.2 mpg. For a car that was still stock as a rock and could still cut flat 14s all day on original size skinny rubber I reckon that is pretty damn good. I sold it to Biante some years ago when it had 39,200 miles on the clock.

**Sorted** · 03-11-2007, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

The work well, CHI had a 265 in a Torana, it did 10 second passes n/a.

Before CHI John and Micheal were Hemi Heaven, they did my previous head and I ran a 13.3 in a 1973 Charger.

CHI Head is lighter and will run cooler so I will go faster than 13.3 BUT to run 10's, although possible, you wont be able to drive it on the street and it will only make power above 5,500rpm where Hemi 6cyl dont like to rev due to bad harmonics

nugget378 · 03-11-2007, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRHEMI

Just purchased on of those

:

ANYWAY - Got one Sitting in my Garage!

What do you want to know exactly?

Look here for more details about the engine in standard form 265 Engines Specs

You should see the set in my tuners garage,CHI hemi high port anyone?

Going into a full on tubbed charger race car..

Abacus · 03-11-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scone

Hi everyone , has anyone owned or driven a 265 hemi manual valiant?
Looking for opinions on performance and problems

thanks

Main issues with any Valiant are rust in the firewall and in the chassis rail around the steering box, plus the usual places (doors, under the vinyl roof if fitted, etc). There is a wealth of information over at hemi6pack.com.

Great cars, had one years ago. I'm currently looking for a good pre ADR27A VK.

kelnic · 03-11-2007, 11:30 PM

i was involved in dirt circuit racing at blackrock (south aust) with a mate from work. we had a mk1 2door escort that we midmounted a 265hemi,904trans stage 3 shift kit fitted , CIG welded escort diff that went f..king hard.we bored the block 110thou to suit 327chev piston, polished the rods,balanced,ported,big cam,roller rockers,650dp holley, 100hp nitrous(hardly used it),open exhaust. we had the second fastest car on the track,only 1 second slower than a LJ torana that had a hot 400 chev over a 6 lap race.I was surprised the escort diff held up for the 3years we raced the car.

actrob · 04-11-2007, 10:43 AM

I had a VJ charger with 265. and 4 speed. Purchased as a rough as guts car in primer, no carpets, triumph seats, half cage. Bought due to the 265 and 4 speed, was ex race car motor was very wild. Ended up 4 inch bore (chev pistons), heaps of other engine mods, triple webbers, twin exhausts, adjustable Konis, sway bars, big brakes etc. Was a daily driver and I took everywhere. Webbers stay in tune OK, and you cant go past them, If you have the good bearing linkages (hexagonal shafts etc) and a good tuner they will be fine. Often aftermarket linkages flex and slip.
(Body on mine always stayed rough but ended up with nice interiour and detailed engine bay. You cant go wrong with a 265 (or 245 or even 318 etc). Tough as nails used to rev flat out every time I got in it, (currently have a stock VG 245 and its the same, cant help myself). Just have to fit cam float bolt in timing case, use good double row timing chain, and bolt in Harmonic Balancer off crank (Inferferance fit from stock), use good oil and will go forever. (when rev'd real hard can have oiling problems, cam float and spin off Harmonic Balancers).
Rust wise First place you should look is the Front chassis rail at steering box, Rust due to way steering box is fitted. Can all be fixed though. Firewall and behind rear wheels and around boot also rust prone (Bad drainage system around boot, need to keep drain channels clean). Keep an eye on seat mounts (The break / crack all the time), and door hinge adjustment (The big doors are heavy and drop over time).

Electrics get a bit old now and fitting ignition relay will help, have seen chargers with half the wiring behind dash burnt / shorted out.

Performance wise cant really be beat by anything comparable from their era. Heaps of torque and great standard. Parts are now getting hard to find / expensive, (try moparmarket.com.au for more info / classifieds etc). The old Vals / Chrylsers are great old cars, always have ahead of their time.

gngtho · 04-11-2007, 10:57 PM

my mate owned s vj sedan with an S block in it and a carby not much bigger than cigarette box, that thing despite the size of the car would blow anything of the road.

he bought a 770 vk vj coup after with a 318 and shift kitted 727 and we always said the 245 sedan would still destroy that.

**aussiblue** · 05-11-2007, 01:22 AM

Yes I forgot all about the joys of the failing seat pivot pins that unexpectedly send you into recline position while you are driving along.

nugget378 · 05-11-2007, 06:15 AM

The only problem I know of with the 265 is that with large cams and high spring pressure and high revs,they break the oil pump shaft,some go to an external belt driven oil pump when getting serious..

OzJavelin · 05-11-2007, 07:28 AM

Amazing the number of Valiant fans on a Ford website!

I owned a neat 265 3-spd VH Charer 770 which went OK, but the gearbox was crap and I could never get it to idle properly. I also owned a VG coupe with a 265 and auto (translant). It went really well and the BW auto never gave me any real trouble. Hemi sixes are pretty much indestructible - although I have seen people break them - but they just seem to slowly wear out ... get fumey, rattle like all hell etc. Despite this you can still cane the snot out of them and still beat a lot of current "performance" cars ..

**Polyal** · 05-11-2007, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Amazing the number of Valiant fans on a Ford website!

Because its not a Holden. I too am a closet Valiant/Chrysler/Mopar fan, would love a charger!

**Sorted** · 05-11-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

The only problem I know of with the 265 is that with large cams and high spring pressure and high revs,they break the oil pump shaft,some go to an external belt driven oil pump when getting serious

I must be getting serious then, here is a pic of my External Oil Pump - Purchased from Motor Improvements in St Kilda $1,500

nugget378 · 05-11-2007, 12:26 PM

Yep thats the one,seen a few of those lately

My tuner has always been a hardcore mopar/hemi guy,he does a few hemi's for guys down your way..

Ive owned a few in my time,nothing too flash,fastest was a centura 4 speed with a warmed over 245,that thing was the definition of fun,with the type of instant acceleration I didnt see again till I built a hardcore cleveland..

**Sorted** · 05-11-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

.........My tuner has always been a hardcore mopar/hemi guy,he does a few hemi's for guys down your way........

George Rallis?

Abacus · 05-11-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Amazing the number of Valiant fans on a Ford website!

I only started driving Fords because Mitsubishi stopped making the Valiant. I don't think I'm Robinson Crusoe.

GreenMachine · 06-11-2007, 11:11 AM

Yeah, concur with all the other comments in this thread - 265/4 speed is possibly the best 6cyl n/a combination ever built - With triple carbs and a little bit of headwork they'll hose anything V8 up to about VT/AUIII, even in a full body VG hardtop. Sound great, torquey, blah blah. Do it!

CAMS290 · 06-11-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Abacus

I only started driving Fords because Mitsubishi stopped making the Valiant. I don't think I'm Robinson Crusoe.

Pretty much the same here, i started with VC and VE Vals with slant 6's, then went onto VG and VH with Hemi 6's and i had a CJ Chrysler by Chrysler with a 360, 727 auto and a Dana 8 3/4.
My last Val was my CL Charger, late 1977, last of them ever made.