Problems with VE production?

[AWD Chaser]

Originally Posted by VSSII

Organising stamping presses and the like is a MASSIVE job. For this reason alone there is no way they would have taken a backward step creating old cars. But really, as if! I can see it now.. "Uh Mr SMITH, that new VE you ordered.. Well we had a few hiccups and it's now a VZ. Hope you don't mind. Here, as a consolation here's some mats and headlight protectors. Hope this make up for it."

"A few floor mats and headlight protectors??? Is that all"

"Well, Mr Smith, that is $3000 worth of extras.... perhaps I could talk my manager into giving you free aircon on your VZ...." lol

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

Remember, VE wagons and utes aren't due until late 2008 so we will see VZ's for a while to come.

I wouldn't be surprised if the VZ wagon is the last to be made at Holden.

[MightyXR6Turbo]

vztrt - Yeah, my self and a few other people are of the same opinion. There are a couple of factors that decide it. Firstly being overall sales of the VE, if they are good, then that permits cash to be spent on replacing VZ models. Secondly current sales of VZ wagons, if they are good then it is another good indication they will go ahead with it, and finally what Ford actually does with the wagon. All these factors will contribute to if Holden build a wagon or not in VE.

[Twinpiston]

I thought it was only till late 07, if so, that is a long time to run dual platforms!!!!

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by twinpiston

I thought it was only till late 07, if so, that is a long time to run dual platforms!!!!

They way Ford and Holden run their production lines, it's actually quite amazing that these cars dont have worse build quality than a Russian Lada. The operators should be fine.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by stevz

And since when do 'bogans' go out and buy brand new Holdens? Sure, a lot of them may drive VB-VL's but then again there is certainly no shortage of ford loving bogans either.
Get in touch with reality and stop making ridiculous comments.

Touched a nerve did I? What car do you drive stevez?
VB's to VL's - are you kidding?
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black over getting in touch with reality. Most Holden commodores on the road has some kind of mod done to them. Wheels, wings, dice, stickers, altezza's, body kits, suspension etc.

Most of these with the worst types of mods are VN's to VX's. Even Bogans get finance and ergo buy the latest commondore they can afford. I might add that all newish cars breaking traction and with seats reclined over 17.5 degrees seem to predominantly be Holden.

Don't believe me, try a little experiment.
Next time you are tailgated or cut off why don't you have a look at the badge the car is wearing. Yes, there are some ford bogans but old fords don't have the same appeal as commodores do to yobbo's and bogans. It's a simple statistically proven fact. There are more aftermarket parts for holden than ford and this will simply tell the tale of the demographic.

Now I realise that said kettle would be steaming by now so before you attempt some feeble reply, remember your post history. I could not find one post that was not anti ford and pro holden. You even argued with Casper. Whilst I can appreciate you like one brand over the other, bear in mind that the forum you are a member of is called Ford Forums, not Holden Forums. If all you are going to do is bag ford and claim that holden is to be the new messiah then you might like being around your peers in LS1. I didn't join LS1 because I like Fords instead. So again, if you like Holdens instead of Ford and all you wish to do is antagonise members who like ford then I suggest you go to the red corner at LS1. It aint rocket science dummy.

[blackahcdx]

seems like ford has stopped production too!



ords - Joe Kenwright

Shutdowns at Ford's Broadmeadows plant signal even larger issues affecting Australia's auto industry

Ford and Holden are facing component supply shortages which have already forced Ford to close its Broadmeadows operations at the end of last Thursday's afternoon shift, affecting 2000 workers.

The components are manufactured by the Huon Corporation and include critical door and window sealing assemblies. Staff at three Huon Corporation sites walked out in protection of redundancy entitlements after the company was placed in voluntary receivership last month.

Ford has committed to paying its line workers 60 per cent of their normal pay during Friday and Monday (July 21-24) shutdowns but after that the pay stops.

Over 500 workers at three Huon Corporation factories walked off the job a week ago including employees at Huon's Empire Rubber plant in Bendigo. CarPoint has confirmed that Huon also manufactures parts for a third party that supplies sub-assemblies to Holden for the VE Commodore and others believed to find their way into local Toyotas, also critical for vital export contracts.

Huon Corporation was placed into voluntary receivership last month. The company acquired two similar suppliers of automotive polymer and rubber products late last year in an effort to create a more efficient components operation.

The administrator initially sought to shed over 100 staff but couldn't pay out entitlements. The three Huon Corporation sites' 570 workers are seeking to protect redundancy entitlements, which some sources have placed at $30 million.

Industry insiders say the issue is complex with allegations related to the disposal of Huon Corporation assets already the subject of Supreme Court action. That said two ‘big picture' issues appear to be at the core of this latest round of automotive supplier woes.

As the Australian large car market shrinks, even combined volumes from local manufacturers may not be enough to keep some Australian parts suppliers viable. Not only faced with declining volumes that hinder any economies of scale, these parts suppliers must compete with aggressive newcomers.

There is every chance that the slower than expected take-up of the new Mitsubishi 380 has placed unsustainable loss of volume and pricing pressures on areas of the Australian component industry -- an issue that has been of equal concern to the other local carmakers.

Thailand, Malaysia, India and China all have component supplier bases desperate to increase volumes. As senior Ford sources have noted, most of these emerging nations have a cost base that has a 15 year lag before it will be as high as Australia's. In other words, when an Australian supplier goes up against an Asian supplier, it will be another 15 years before they are competing on a comparable cost base.

Australian suppliers and workers are being told to work smarter to cover the premium in wages and conditions.

With existing and expanded export aspirations Holden's position is arguably more critical – part of the reason why the company has hedged its bets with overseas suppliers. In the absence of a national government-backed strategy, Holden has moved to protect its interests to maintain operations and manage any restructure.

Logically Australia (and most other industrialised nations) will likely need to surrender some small-scale manufacturing when there are cheaper sources. Opportunities remain in design, development and tooling operations, where jobs are highly paid, not easily shifted and have a huge flow-on effect in local economies compared to manufacturing facilities with their decreasing dependence on manpower.

Ford Australia must currently recruit 150 engineers a year for the next 10 years to meet its global product development commitments. Both Holden and Toyota are undergoing a similar expansion process.



www.carpoint.com.au

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by ltd

Touched a nerve did I? What car do you drive stevez?
VB's to VL's - are you kidding?
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black over getting in touch with reality. Most Holden commodores on the road has some kind of mod done to them. Wheels, wings, dice, stickers, altezza's, body kits, suspension etc. Most of these with the worst types of mods are VN's to VX's. Even Bogans get finance and ergo buy the latest commondore they can afford. I might add that all newish cars breaking traction and with seats reclined over 17.5 degrees seem to predominantly be Holden.

Saw a TV news item recently showing inside a Police warehouse with cars that had been impounded for various offences. 80% of them seemed to be Commodores!

[stevz]

Originally Posted by ltd

Touched a nerve did I? What car do you drive stevez?
VB's to VL's - are you kidding?
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black over getting in touch with reality. Most Holden commodores on the road has some kind of mod done to them. Wheels, wings, dice, stickers, altezza's, body kits, suspension etc.

Most of these with the worst types of mods are VN's to VX's. Even Bogans get finance and ergo buy the latest commondore they can afford. I might add that all newish cars breaking traction and with seats reclined over 17.5 degrees seem to predominantly be Holden.

Don't believe me, try a little experiment.
Next time you are tailgated or cut off why don't you have a look at the badge the car is wearing. Yes, there are some ford bogans but old fords don't have the same appeal as commodores do to yobbo's and bogans. It's a simple statistically proven fact. There are more aftermarket parts for holden than ford and this will simply tell the tale of the demographic.

Oh really. : You have just given me my laugh for the day.:
If you wake up out of your dreamworld and look at things sensibly and realistically you will realise that the Commodores you describe make up a very small percentage of total Commodores on the road. The majority of new and near new Commodores are driven by sensible and respectable people who are far from ever being bogans. My neighbour is a company executive with a $100k+ salary and drives a VZ Calais, oh hang on, according to you he must be a bogan. I suppose John Howard is a bogan because he gets driven around in a Caprice. All you are doing is making ridiculous generalisations and stereotypes saying that 'Holden is a bogans car' based on the actions of a few hoons who happen to drive a Holden.
Could you post a link to these "statistically proven facts", I'd love to see them.
And by saying that Holdens are a bogans car because there are more aftermarket parts available, you are suggesting that anyone with an interest in modifying cars is a bogan, so you have effectively labelled the majority of people on these forums as bogans.
The fact is that idiots/bogans drive all sorts of cars, be it Holden, Ford, Mitsubishi , Toyota, whatever, making silly generalisations like you have done just highlights your ignorance and small mindedness.

Oh, and for your info, I don't drive a Ford OR a Holden at the moment, but am looking at getting into a VE very soon.

[jimmy_c]

Originally Posted by CDAA

Highly unlikely jimmy. Last I heard (3 weeks ago)Ford had a stockpile of BF Falcon wagons to move, you shouldn't be waiting in theory.

I wish we were getting a new BF wagon. But no we will be stuck with a VZ. :


I feel sorry for all the people in these jobs who have to deal with these dodgey laws and deals.

[ltd]

Hey, if it makes you feel better to make stupid proclamations like "wake up out of your dream world" and "look at things sensibly and realistically"; then I suppose it's whatever floats your boat, and good for you for saying so.
However, you so quickly disavow anything I have mentioned in my thread and accuse me of manufacturing facts, and accuse me of labelling everyone yet your attack is based on the same preposition. Who’s deluding whom?

A 100k plus neighbour in a Calais - what, you've never heard of a cashed up Bogan before? Do you even know what a Bogan is stevez? By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show where I said all commodore drivers are Bogans stevez. Can't prove it, well that's because I simply did not say all commodore drivers are Bogans, I did say that most Bogans are commodore drivers. Toyota and Mitsubishi? Come on man, they represent like what, 0.5%-1%.

Just because most Bogans prefer Holden over ford does not mean the brand is garbage. Fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of Bogans drive Holden’s of some description that have mods done in the garage or backyard, proven by the amount of stolen commodores. Don't believe me? Well, try and insure a VT commodore and then insure an AU falcon. Which is more expensive indicating the higher rate of theft.

I must admit that you are right, not all commodores are driven by Bogans, young middle eastern males love them too. They do the angle grinder lowering jobs as well in their backyards. A number of them were also recently involved in a massive crime syndicate out of Bankstown in Sydney that basically shipped stolen exotics and commodores to Lebanon.
Fortunately the police shut this operation.

So I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said all commodore drivers are Bogans, but of the commodore Bogans who do things like joining a ford site and trying to antagonise members, I can tell a few things about them:

1/ They gamble and get angry when they lose.
2/ They think VB is the best beer out.
3/ They drink bourbon with coke, and thing Jim Beam black is the ultimate drink.
4/ They unquestionably vote labor at any and every election.
5/ They love metal, and think ACDC are the worlds best ever band.
6/ They watch big brother religiously, that being the only ritualistic thing they do.
7/ Their girlfriend is named Sharon, Cheryl, Leticia or Shyla.
8/ They own some description of flannel.
9/ They have and still do wear ugg boots out of the house.
10/ They have had at least 1 pregnancy scare before they turn 20.

Ring any bells reality boy?
Whilst I must admit satisfaction over getting one-eyed commodore guys into a lather and teasing them about joining ls1, you stevz take the cake. I think you'll find an overwhelming level of support at: http://www.justcommodores.com.au

[vztrt]

Ford woint be producing cars on Tuesday.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by ltd

Hey, if it makes you feel better to make stupid proclamations like "wake up out of your dream world" and "look at things sensibly and realistically"; then I suppose it's whatever floats your boat, and good for you for saying so.
However, you so quickly disavow anything I have mentioned in my thread and accuse me of manufacturing facts, and accuse me of labelling everyone yet your attack is based on the same preposition. Who’s deluding whom?

A 100k plus neighbour in a Calais - what, you've never heard of a cashed up Bogan before? Do you even know what a Bogan is stevez? By the way, I'm still waiting for you to show where I said all commodore drivers are Bogans stevez. Can't prove it, well that's because I simply did not say all commodore drivers are Bogans, I did say that most Bogans are commodore drivers. Toyota and Mitsubishi? Come on man, they represent like what, 0.5%-1%.

Just because most Bogans prefer Holden over ford does not mean the brand is garbage. Fact of the matter is the overwhelming majority of Bogans drive Holden’s of some description that have mods done in the garage or backyard, proven by the amount of stolen commodores. Don't believe me? Well, try and insure a VT commodore and then insure an AU falcon. Which is more expensive indicating the higher rate of theft.

I must admit that you are right, not all commodores are driven by Bogans, young middle eastern males love them too. They do the angle grinder lowering jobs as well in their backyards. A number of them were also recently involved in a massive crime syndicate out of Bankstown in Sydney that basically shipped stolen exotics and commodores to Lebanon.
Fortunately the police shut this operation.

So I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said all commodore drivers are Bogans, but of the commodore Bogans who do things like joining a ford site and trying to antagonise members, I can tell a few things about them:

1/ They gamble and get angry when they lose.
2/ They think VB is the best beer out.
3/ They drink bourbon with coke, and thing Jim Beam black is the ultimate drink.
4/ They unquestionably vote labor at any and every election.
5/ They love metal, and think ACDC are the worlds best ever band.
6/ They watch big brother religiously, that being the only ritualistic thing they do.
7/ Their girlfriend is named Sharon, Cheryl, Leticia or Shyla.
8/ They own some description of flannel.
9/ They have and still do wear ugg boots out of the house.
10/ They have had at least 1 pregnancy scare before they turn 20.

Ring any bells reality boy?
Whilst I must admit satisfaction over getting one-eyed commodore guys into a lather and teasing them about joining ls1, you stevz take the cake. I think you'll find an overwhelming level of support at: http://www.justcommodores.com.au

Can i answer the question

1: I don't gamble.
2: Don't drink alcohol
3: As above ( my brother does have this drink.
4: I do vote labour But that's my choice.
5: Heavy metal : Give me some CCR.
6: Big brother has got to be the worst thing on TV right now.
7: I'm safe there
8: I did have a blue and white one when i was 21
9: Ugg boots scare me.
10: Not ready for kids.

I'm safe but the other guy might not be

[stevz]

Originally Posted by ltd

So I'm still waiting for you to show me where I said all commodore drivers are Bogans

HERE

Originally Posted by ltd

and well, Holden is a bogan car.

You are pretty much implying that ALL Holdens are bought/driven by bogans, not just Commodores. You stated it quite clearly, don't try and bs your way out of it now.

Originally Posted by ltd

I can tell a few things about them:

1/ They gamble and get angry when they lose.
2/ They think VB is the best beer out.
3/ They drink bourbon with coke, and thing Jim Beam black is the ultimate drink.
4/ They unquestionably vote labor at any and every election.
5/ They love metal, and think ACDC are the worlds best ever band.
6/ They watch big brother religiously, that being the only ritualistic thing they do.
7/ Their girlfriend is named Sharon, Cheryl, Leticia or Shyla.
8/ They own some description of flannel.
9/ They have and still do wear ugg boots out of the house.
10/ They have had at least 1 pregnancy scare before they turn 20.

You seem to know a lot about bogans and how they operate, which leads me to believe you may be talking from your own personal experiences. I see no point in continuing this argument, it's in one ear and out the other with you from now on.

[Dave_au]

Has anyone considered the feelings of the 3100 good folk from the shire of Bogan, Western NSW feel about Bogan bashing?

http://boganshire.local-e.nsw.gov.au/about/1653.html

I believe in the last couple of years they have only bought approx 100 new cars a year (from ABS), so I can't see how they could all be driving holdens. Given the population of the shire is less than the average monthly production of commodores, I have a feeling that "only bogans drive holdens" may be false and misleading.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

Has anyone considered the feelings of the 3100 good folk from the shire of Bogan, Western NSW feel about Bogan bashing?

http://boganshire.local-e.nsw.gov.au/about/1653.html

I believe in the last couple of years they have only bought approx 100 new cars a year, so I can't see how they could all be driving holdens. Given the population of the shire is less than the average monthly production of commodores, I have a feeling that "only bogans drive holdens" may be false and misleading.

I always thought bogans were shazza and bazza?

The shire won't be happy that others are trying to steal there boganness

[MightyXR6Turbo]

The Bogan Catchment area they have there doesn't seem to work too well...

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by MightyXR6Turbo

The Bogan Catchment area they have there doesn't seem to work too well...

Remember the Nyngen floods of 1990?

http://boganshire.local-e.nsw.gov.au/about/1000.html

Originally Posted by Bogan shire

In April 1990, Nyngan and the surrounding district in the Shire of Bogan suffered the worst flooding the area has known since being settled. Record heavy rains in the catchment of the Bogan saw floodwaters rise to alarming levels, threatening the town. Despite the best efforts of the townspeople and an army of volunteers, the levee was breached.

By the morning of April 24, Nyngan was under water and isolated in a vast inland sea. With damage estimated at $50 million and all services to the town cut, it was decided to airlift almost the entire population of Nyngan to safety until the flood receded and services could be restored.

Today, thanks to the assistance of the State and Federal governments and people from all over New South Wales and beyond, Nyngan has been fully restored. A new levee, one metre higher than the 1990 flood level now protects the town and the people of Nyngan.

[8pAc]

Pity they didnt slip a few more bogans in that article... a terrible thing but **** funny for bogan reference.

[ltd]

Slick, apologies mate as my post was not intended to cause you or any other decent holden folk grief. What may seem as generalisations were made in jest, in the sense that there was one poster who decided to take a post of mine completely literally. I guess I took issue to someone implying that I was talking about every single Holden driver, and thusly put a number of issues to him that I knew would offend him. For the record I take bogans as those who cannot actually say one nice thing about the competition on the competitions fan site. Additionally, I know there are bogans in both camps, but from a perspective standpoint, you can manipulate any facts to suit an arguement.

As I have stated before in many of my posts, I feel for ford to do great things and not become complacent we need Holden - and vice versa. That way the only winners are the consumers. As someone such as yourself who is able to say nice things about ford and holden I again apologise if I have caused you any offence as that was not my intention.

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by ltd

in the sense that there was one poster who decided to take a post of mine completely literally

hahah, not quite, I was just taking the mickey, trying to lighten the mood... I was always amused that an area called Bogan actually existed.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by ltd

Slick, apologies mate as my post was not intended to cause you or any other decent holden folk grief. What may seem as generalisations were made in jest, in the sense that there was one poster who decided to take a post of mine completely literally. I guess I took issue to someone implying that I was talking about every single Holden driver, and thusly put a number of issues to him that I knew would offend him. For the record I take bogans as those who cannot actually say one nice thing about the competition on the competitions fan site. Additionally, I know there are bogans in both camps, but from a perspective standpoint, you can manipulate any facts to suit an arguement.

As I have stated before in many of my posts, I feel for ford to do great things and not become complacent we need Holden - and vice versa. That way the only winners are the consumers. As someone such as yourself who is able to say nice things about ford and holden I again apologise if I have caused you any offence as that was not my intention.

No offence taken i was just having a laugh with you It's all good fun

I think your right on the money on the bogans, Thats why i try not to get into ford discussions as much as possible even if it's fact it's not worth starting something it's best left alone. Even though my knowledge of Fords is high because of my brother, I get into enough trouble on here talking about Holden's Probably why i spend very little time over the years on LS1, And my other time on a open mixed forum with ford holden Toyota Nissan Honda guys.
I Actually know a guy that bags holden and ford with a passion, He claims to be Australian but seems to have a hate for us all, I always keep my eye out for him on all forums where ever he is trouble follows he's a hater.

[ltd]

Dave AU, I wasn't referring to you mate, keep em coming please. From what I read mate you didn't take my post literally at all. Actually, you've lightened the mood around here very successfully so believe me, you weren't the poster I was referring to.

[Casper]

Whats with the influx of Holden Bogans into the thread??? 1 more chance people.. keep it on topic (remember, TOPIC = "Problems with VE production" not "who's a bogan?").

[Falcon Freak]

I found out yesterday why Holden stopped VE production late last week. It was a component shortage which is not supplied by Huon Corporation.

FF

[MightyXR6Turbo]

That is additionally to the Victorian parts supplier that supply parts to ZF to make the rear ends for the Commodore.

[Full Spectrum]

There going back on the job