Copenhagen summit dec '09, scam.

[AUbigfoot]

Originally Posted by 84ltd

I still can't us taxpayers funded 114 delegates to go to copenhagen. A lot of people had a holiday on us taxpayers. I love the way he forwarded the letter on to the press of this country. Will we see this reported as it should be, We'll just have to wait and see.

I almost fell of the couch when I heard how we funded their first class flights, high rise hotel rooms etc. Defines irony.

[Romulus]

Andrew Bolt will be all over this without a doubt. I think the global warming lie is coming unstuck.

[SpoolMan]

Currently 3 climate change threads in this area of the Forum.
Could we keep them together rather than having start a new ones.
If you like send me a PM and I will merge this post with your other thread..

[Romulus]

Nice little entourage there. If I recall correctly Australia was one of the most over-represented countries that attended Copenhagen. #19 must have been very important - even though the world media were present. Obviously he does his job better than the others.

What an absolute waste of money, and added CO2 pollution. Imaging how many trees could have been planted with the amount spent on the junket.

[g220ba]

Personally i think that's about 114 too many.

[Bundy]

It just goes to show how serious Australia is about the threat of Climate Change and findig the perfect solution via the Extra Tax Scam.

Or thats just Ruddys way of stimulating the world economy by providing work to the Copenhagen hospitality sector??

[SpoolMan]

2 threads have been merged.

[cob115]

i was at one of Rudds ****ey community meetings wensday,he ,wong ARE still beating on the man made global warmiong can : he clamed the river murray was in its current state not due to over allication/poor management ,BUT CLIMATE CHANGE, god dam ************** : at least we have a new leader in the libs that also thinks its a load of left wing crap &will try to stop Rudds plans

[vztrt]

GM vice-chairman says CO2 is not an issue

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576B6001189BF

GM’s Lutz blames solar flares, not CO2, for global temperature rises

25 January 2010

By JAMES STANFORD

GENERAL Motors’ vice-chairman Bob Lutz might be a keen supporter of the Chevrolet Volt plug-in electric vehicle, but he still does not believe in climate change.

The man who came up with the V10 Dodge Viper during his time at Chrysler once famously described climate change as a “croc of sh**” and does not appear to have changed his view.

During an interview at the Detroit motor show, Mr Lutz was asked if the cold weather in Michigan proved that his views on climate change were correct.

He said: “They have been vindicated.”

Mr Lutz said he would not give a speech on the topic because he would “get into trouble”, but could not resist the temptation.

“All I ever say is look at the data, look at the empirical evidence, look at what they said ten years ago with rising ocean levels, hasn’t happened,” he said.

“Those of you who watch the Al Gore Inconvenient Truth saw him put his hands over the Gulf of Mexico with all this boiling water and (say) ‘If you think Hurricane Katrina was bad, you haven’t seen anything yet’, and we are going to have all these horrible hurricanes every year and we haven’t had one. Katrina was like six years ago and we are yet to get the next hurricane.”

Mr Lutz said the Russians were right all along.

“The climate has relatively cooled in the last ten years, just as the Russian astrophysicists said 10 years ago,” he said.

“They said it has got nothing to do with CO2 and everything to do with solar activity and when the solar flares stopped and the sun has been unusually quiet, almost to the point that it is starting to worry people, global temperatures go down.”

He concluded that “governments are still hell bent on this CO2 thing”, before mentioning with a hint of satisfaction that Rudd government CO2 cap and trade legislation had “come a cropper”.

While Lutz is clearly not a believer in climate change, he does feel there is an urgent need to move towards alternate fuels, especially electricity, because of a shortage of oil supply. “Rather than gradual rises in oil prices, we face the risk that as the economy recovers as you get within two or three per cent of short-term peak oil refining capacity you get this sharp rise again and when you get the sharp rise it tips you into another recession,” he said.

“That’s why we have to find alternatives to petroleum, even if just to have a kind of dampening effect on these wild oscillations.”

Mr Lutz said the fuel supplies would come under increasing pressure from China in the next 10 to 20 years.

“They are going to consume a lot of petroleum,” he said.

“At some point we are going to start running short of petroleum because we will start to get to the limit of what can be extracted economically and at that point we have to have alternative drive systems which, to me are going to be electric.”

[rodderz]

Well said Mr Lutz. His comment about using new energy sources rather than oil reserves is a reason why a new commodity (carbon trading) has been created to make huge profits once petroleum use decreases.

[Romulus]

Yes it's a reversal, they cooked up the 'evidence' in the first place.

[snappy]

Nothing wrong with trying to prove agw correct(and many scientists are doing exactly that – part of the verification process), but getting up there in public with absolutely no relevant or reputable science and just spinning of lies and deception(Gore), that is unjustifiable.

Fixed it for you , two way street gore has also been proven to spin many lies

[durtyharry]

Originally Posted by snappy

Fixed it for you , two way street gore has also been proven to spin many lies

You still dont get it?

It matters little whether Gore is full of ........ or not, I dont particularly care for him either.
It doesnt change the good science that he is telling us about

Monckton, on the other hand, where there is no good science behind his claims, is trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

[MO]

durtyharry,why don't you get back in the sand pit and play with your other persona,'torbirdie'. You say GT Falcons claims are baseless well if thats the case so is your existence.

Your a bore go away.

[Falcon Coupe]

Copenhagen is over and achieved little, banging on about it here is now a moot point.