Robbed online!! - Page 2

Rob · 01-12-2006, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kommandant

I dont use Windows firewall, it had software embedded to close that particular firewall though

Also my system had no spyware/virus/trojans etc before I installed as I scanned before hand and after I had installed it.

You can use as many Anti-Virus programs as you'd like, although I agree using more then one firewall at any time for your average user generally spells trouble, considering each program has its own list of permissions/exceptions/denied and when a user wants to use something in particular, another program might not causing a conflict between them and crashing your PC.

I tend to agree, however, even programs like Symantec Internet Security leaves a lot to be desired. I run a router and firewall, never had a problem with internet banking yet. Touch wood.

As far as Anti-spyware software, I'd stick with Ad-aware by Lavasoft. Its the lesser of many evils. Wouldnt go anywhere near anything else. Ever.

70caprigt3k · 01-12-2006, 08:13 AM

I use spybot search and destroy and ad-aware as well as symantec anti-virus corporate edition and i am yet to have a virus, i also am behind 2 NAT's so that makes me out of reach for most script kiddie credit card stealers anyway.

**Stav** · 01-12-2006, 08:39 AM

As I mentioned.If you are using norton antivirus,spybot search destroy,lava soft adaware and or zone alarm you are still a sitting duck.I had all of these and scanned my computer every time before internet banking.They still got in.

EA2BA · 01-12-2006, 09:22 AM

I suggest buy a cheap 2nd computer for internet banking and use the other one just for email etc or vice versa.

I have optus and get no spam for the record, a virus just does not appear, someone has to launch it. Webmail with optus is great way to remove the crap before it can infect you.
Otherwise someone is visiting some dodgy sites from your computer.

gozza · 01-12-2006, 09:26 AM

I knew kids at school somehow got a hold of pages of credit card numbers

They would take like $50 of a person and buy them a $200 myer gift certifcate

all sorts of dodgyness

EA2BA · 01-12-2006, 09:47 AM

Those would have been invalid credit card numbers that happen to come to a correct check sum, in any event the gift cert has to go somewhere, so they will get caught and go to juvi soon enough.

MITCHAY · 01-12-2006, 10:01 AM

I've got Trend Micro Pc-Cillin (shits on Norton), Spybot, Spyware Blaster(prevents the stuff from downloading rather than getting rid of it), Ad-aware, the firewall my AV has with it, and the firewall in my router.

AEF_Silver94 · 01-12-2006, 10:24 AM

using 2 antiviruses is ok,SOMETIMES, i had 2 b4, my comp crashed,causes huge compatibility problems if their both using real time scanning, seems right to use 2 since if one doesnt catch the virus the other will,wrong, if both find a virus,the other will think the virus has disapeared coz both have it in quarinteen,and the virus will slip and cause more damage ( depends on the virus ), but most likely your real time scanners wil find it again, it just causes problems, i know for one Avast doesnt like another antivirus in the system ( slow start up,slow shut down etc ), my personal experiences anyways,could be different for other ppl.

Tote · 01-12-2006, 10:34 AM

Link below to an interesting and up to date comparison of anti spyware products. Seems none of them are 100 percent effective.
http://malware-test.com/smf/index.php?board=9.0

Regards,
Tote

**Stav** · 01-12-2006, 11:09 AM

With optus I dont use webmail but let things download to my computer.From Now on I will check email via their website server and that way avert having it in my computer.
Ijust talked to st george bank and told thm what I found last night.They were stoked that I found this much.Hope they get the scum.

MITCHAY · 01-12-2006, 11:32 AM

What sort of Internet do you have? Do you have dialup, broadband (no router), or broadband (with router). I have found since I have had full time connection to the Internet with the router it is very very rare to get anything unless someone on my computer has downloaded it knowingly or unknowingly.

01-12-2006, 11:37 AM

Will most likely not get them. Most are in shonky countries where the government almost encourages this behaviour.

I only use AVG and Adaware and Spybot. Using standard windows firewall and the firewall on the router. Thing is, are these programs just installed on the computer or are they manually run daily. If there set to auto run, part of having these programs is going through their respective logs and seeing what the program is doing. If the virus or spyware is running as a active service, instead of a program, the computer needs to be scanned in safe mode (press F8 on the keyboard at the first sign of Windows loading screen). Safe mode only runs the services that need to be run ie basic VGA driver etc.

Then it goes onto the question, how did they get on to your computer. Like mitchay said, its very likely that these nastys have been knowingly or unknowingly installed on the computer by someone with local access.

I suggest using "Spamfighter" for a good out of the box solution to capture almost all spam, after 30 days it has an advertisement on the bottom of every email though.

Another solution (it needs a bit more technical work getting it running sweetly) is "Spamihilator". I use this with a few addons. It does need training so to speak but will capture .exe files etc in attachments.

photn · 01-12-2006, 11:44 AM

For the Best Fix. buy a MAc or install Linux

ronwest · 01-12-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by photn

For the Best Fix. buy a MAc or install Linux

The best fix of all is not to be connected to the internet ;)

Some light reading for those who would prefer not to rely on guesswork...

http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/security/trojan.html

Note the bit on "How did I get infected"

photn · 01-12-2006, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ronwest

The best fix of all is not to be connected to the internet ;)

Some light reading for those who would prefer not to rely on guesswork...

http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/security/trojan.html

Note the bit on "How did I get infected"

yer but then thats no fun, not being connected to the internet lol.....

ON_DUBS · 01-12-2006, 11:55 AM

it's a bit of a worry that "noadware" picked up spyware in the registry where other programs failed to find them. I've tried a whole bunch and so far none have detected the same entries as "noadware".

EA2BA your suggestion on a 2nd machine for internet banking only is an excellent idea and I'll be setting it up this arvo.
The computer will have all ports blocked apart from http, no lan access, anti-virus and anti-spyware software, firefox and will only be used to access my banks webpage.

using linux sounds interesting photn but what anti-virus/spyware programs can you use? The risk of infection is significantly reduced but I wouldn't use and unprotected system

photn · 01-12-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FAIRMONT4.0

it's a bit of a worry that "noadware" picked up spyware in the registry where other programs failed to find them. I've tried a whole bunch and so far none have detected the same entries as "noadware".

EA2BA your suggestion on a 2nd machine for internet banking only is an excellent idea and I'll be setting it up this arvo.
The computer will have all ports blocked apart from http, no lan access, anti-virus and anti-spyware software, firefox and will only be used to access my banks webpage.

using linux sounds interesting photn but what anti-virus/spyware programs can you use? The risk of infection is significantly reduced but I wouldn't use and unprotected system

Bah mate you dont really need them for Linux as the software of a virus is essentially designed for Windows aplications....there are Virus's out there but there are VERY VERY FEW.....the best thing about linux is that you can have 1PC with windows and LINUX installed. and when you want to do internet banking simply on boot up select Linux and use Mozilla Firefox or Mozzilla itself. very simple.....then when finnished internet banking just reboot and start up in windows....the benifit is that Linux is on a secluded section of your HDD so it wont effect your Windows part unless the Virus was designed to essentialy Physically format the WHOLE drive. (there arent many of those around anyway) so best of both worlds.

if you search on DOwnload.com for antivirus for linux you sohuld return a couple of downloadable peices of software. and i think the new Fedora Core6 comes with antivirus software anyway....

**Stav** · 01-12-2006, 12:10 PM

I am pretty sure it was junk email that I have been receiving.

ronwest · 01-12-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FAIRMONT4.0

it's a bit of a worry that "noadware" picked up spyware in the registry where other programs failed to find them. I've tried a whole bunch and so far none have detected the same entries as "noadware".

You'll find that most products that offer free trials will find "false positives".

That's so you'll be convinced that it is the product for you ;)

There was a huge ruckus some years ago regarding Blackice Defender. Also Zonealarm came in for some heavu handed criticism when first released.

When I scan with Noadware I usually get two "tracker cookies" and thats all.

(I've got 6 computers networked here at home)

I figure that if I can get through with limited false positives then I'm relatively safe.

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Originally Posted by FAIRMONT4.0

using linux sounds interesting photn but what anti-virus/spyware programs can you use? The risk of infection is significantly reduced but I wouldn't use and unprotected system

Neither would I.

FWIW I use a Linux firewall router (I prefer Ipcop but at the mo I'm using Clarkconnect because of it's superior bandwidth throttling).

On each of the clients I have Zonealarm (free) setup to catch outbound connections only.

I have a few different a/v progs around the place but I prefer F-Prot.

I use Adaware and Spybot regularly.

When I download, the files are dumped into a folder which is immediately scanned for virus etc.

Believe it or not, in 12 years of internet use I've only had one virus and I'm a guy who spends a bit of time at astalavista and other assorted dangerous zones.

The best way to protect ourselves is to understand what's likely to go wrong and fix it before it happens...

photn · 01-12-2006, 12:17 PM

Yer that usually happens.

if its hotmail im sure you know about the setting that only accepts people who are on your Address List.

If its Microsoft Outlook = enough said.....

With my system i Run Linux Fedora Core 5 at the moment (in process of converting to 6) i notice that the emails i get with virus' in them when i run them i get this window saying..blah blah blah process could not be run....essentially Due to the Linux Programing being different to the windows, linux doesnt understand the launguage of the program and cannot be run...so it stops the virus or what ever program it may be.

Same thing with my Mac.....

My Pc is only really used for Games, Msn. and a little of internet. i mostly normally use my mac for net surfing and Net due to the fact that i play games and MSN + net while games run = bad lol...and the linux machine is a very good learning PC with awesum networking capabilities.

sgt_doofey · 01-12-2006, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

My up to date norton didnt find this stuff.So it is good to know.

Norton is known to be a piece of crap.

Some virii also disable virus scanners rendering them ineffective.

Sourbastard · 01-12-2006, 12:50 PM

I lost 26 thousand dollars yesterday from my account!!!!

i got trapped by the two worst scam artists there are! Car dealers and Banks!

EA2BA · 01-12-2006, 12:52 PM

I think you forgot about the ATO sourbastard, they are the biggest, oldest and the best, yet nothing gets done about them ......... LOL

ON_DUBS · 01-12-2006, 02:06 PM

i like the idea of a dual-booting system, bit more space friendly than a second machine.

ronwest your suggestion of "false positives" is something i had considered, i'm hoping to answer all when i get home from work and install the latest spybot and the mcafee anti-spyware module.

If spybot or McAfee (registered) doesn't pick up the logger in the registry i might think again about this "noadware" program.

i definitely will still be organising a standalone or dual boot linux system for my banking though. I'll use Novell SuSe.

photn · 01-12-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FAIRMONT4.0

i like the idea of a dual-booting system, bit more space friendly than a second machine.

ronwest your suggestion of "false positives" is something i had considered, i'm hoping to answer all when i get home from work and install the latest spybot and the mcafee anti-spyware module.

If spybot or McAfee (registered) doesn't pick up the logger in the registry i might think again about this "noadware" program.

i definitely will still be organising a standalone or dual boot linux system for my banking though. I'll use Novell SuSe.

Ahhh Suse (sussie). i cant say that i have used that one. but from the reviews that i have had they have been positive.

ON_DUBS · 01-12-2006, 02:41 PM

my original interest in SuSe was simply becuase of the fresh looking graphics.
but now I use it at work with Novell so it's my first choice

StookEB · 01-12-2006, 03:16 PM

As many have said Nortan is crap and slows down your computer, use a Program called VET. they have an antivirus, firewall, anti spyware, and anti-spam all in a program called Vet Internet Security Suite. For everything it costs about $111 with one year subscription and $44 every year there after, and if any new Version of the program comes out you get it as well.
It's all Australian Too.

Vet website

Outbackjack · 01-12-2006, 03:43 PM

September last year I was on a house boat on King Ash Bay (top of the NT) doing some fishing and a little drinking. No phones, only contact was UHF radio back to the house boat depot in "town". I get home and my wife informs me that the ANZ bank have canclled our visa card as someone had placed 10K worth of bets on race horses in the USA..... As I have never bet on a horse in my life my wife thought that it was a good idea to let them cancel the card. Turns out that a employee of a motel in Tennant Creek was selling credit card info over the internet....... That was the last place that I used the card. The bank re-imbursed me all the money and isssued a new card. Seems that you just can't trust anybody.....

chich · 02-12-2006, 11:28 AM

The way i see it nothing is foolproof or 100% secure - hackers will always find a way to get through even the most advanced systems. If you're buying things on the net with a credit card, or using internet banking you need to set yourself up in a way that minimised the risk of something like this happening. With these sorts of things you need to anticipate that something will go wrong.

My suggestion would be to set up a seperate bank account and low-limit credit card that you use only on the internet. You leave a maximum of $1,000 in the account at any one time and have the card limited to $500. Would also be a good idea to cancel the card annually and re-apply for a new one just for that extra bit of security. Its still not foolproof but at least this way if something goes wrong your loss is minimised.

Yellow_Festiva · 02-12-2006, 12:22 PM

Yeah it's good to see that banks help out when it comes to credit card rip-offs...

I once paid about 25 bills with B-Pay on the credit card one after the other within about 5 minutes (House, water, car, phone, business, strata, insurance bills etc etc)

Within about 5 minutes of the last transaction i got a call on my mobile from the bank telling me about some "unusual transactions" they encountered on my card (i must have triggered some internal security thinggo)

Pretty impressed seeing as my credit card was issued by the local supermarket!