911 the conspiracy, an inside job?

[1970galaxie]

Did any one watch the TV last night about this?
A mate of mine told me about it today, and he said it was a real eye opener.
According to the website, it was an inside job by the CIA or FBI.

Here's a link to a website which was mentioned on the program.
http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/

Yeah, I know what everybody is thinking, but really, you need to check this out.

[AC]

I've seen a few of them, my favourite is "Loose Change 911"
Theres alot of conspiraces out there, who knows what to beleive anymore.

I took a few thing things away from it though...
The plane that crashed into the field & pentagon, bugger all wreckage no bodies. A first of its kind
WTC's both of them the were first to do a full collapse from a fire.

All that info is on Loose Change, the only thing i didnt like about Loose Change is the guys making it harassed morners at Ground Zero.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by 2ndOwner

I've seen a few of them, my favourite is "Loose Change 911"
Theres alot of conspiraces out there, who knows what to beleive anymore.

I took a few thing things away from it though...
The plane that crashed into the field & pentagon, bugger all wreckage no bodies. A first of its kind
WTC's both of them the were first to do a full collapse from a fire.

All that info is on Loose Change, the only thing i didnt like about Loose Change is the guys making it harassed morners at Ground Zero.

Yes there were bodies and plenty of wreckage in the Pentagon, there are photos out there, you're just not going to find them on a conspiracy site.
It maybe the first skyskrapers to collapse from a fire but they are also the first to have jetliners to fly into them loaded with fuel and at 700kmh+!

BTW: Please take a read of here, it explains everything brought up in those shows. (by actual scientists/engineers - not the mail order diplomas that the so called experts in the Conspiracy videos have)
http://www.debunking911.com/

[AC]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

It maybe the first skyskrapers to collapse from a fire but they are also the first to have jetliners to fly into them loaded with fuel and at 700kmh+!

Agreed, extrodinary things can and do happen..

[4.9 EF Futura]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Yes there were bodies and plenty of wreckage in the Pentagon, there are photos out there, you're just not going to find them on a conspiracy site.

I could not word it any better.

I did watch the "documentary" (a doco is supposed to be a collection and description of facts....) with keen interest. But was very disappointed, having read a bit on the matter in my own time...

There is more "conclusive" information/pictures/"evidence" out there which supports their argument, yet they did not include it.

There is EVEN MORE photos and information out there which addresses many of the questions the show posed (as is being demonstrated VERY well here by XR6 Martin)... but a little more obvious why they wouldnt show these.

As far as entertainment value goes, the show had some merit. That's probably the nicest thing i could say about it.

Much more interesting was a show on the firefighters/port authority/civillians that survived the collapse in stairwell B of the north tower which aired on the history channel last night. A truly amazing story, regardless of who was responsible for the attacks.

The part that turned my stomach upside down was as the rescue workers approached ground zero shortly after the collapse... and there was the sound of these buzzers rising up from the debris. Apparently the firefighters have a device which sounds an alarm if it detects no movement for a few minutes.

Hundreds of these buzzers... the sound of them rising up from the debris... was just horrific when you put 2 and 2 together. I'd never seen this aspect of ground zero before.

Reading through some of these responses, its dissapointing to see that people are so quick to put aside the tragic loss of life - in preference to criticise the politicians for their decisions that followed the attacks.

Do you think you'd be making such statements 5 years ago to the day? No - you would have been demanding revenge like everyone else.

I'm not sure when it became trendy to oppose the US and everything they do. But the people who changed their tune when it became cool to do so - they know who they are. And if they can live with the fact that they are trend following hypocrites - then so can i.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I could not word it any better.

I did watch the "documentary" (a doco is supposed to be a collection and description of facts....) with keen interest. But was very disappointed, having read a bit on the matter in my own time...

There is more "conclusive" information/pictures/"evidence" out there which supports their argument, yet they did not include it.

There is EVEN MORE photos and information out there which addresses many of the questions the show posed (as is being demonstrated VERY well here by XR6 Martin)... but a little more obvious why they wouldnt show these.

As far as entertainment value goes, the show had some merit. That's probably the nicest thing i could say about it.

Much more interesting was a show on the firefighters/port authority/civillians that survived the collapse in stairwell B of the north tower which aired on the history channel last night. A truly amazing story, regardless of who was responsible for the attacks.

The part that turned my stomach upside down was as the rescue workers approached ground zero shortly after the collapse... and there was the sound of these buzzers rising up from the debris. Apparently the firefighters have a device which sounds an alarm if it detects no movement for a few minutes.

Hundreds of these buzzers... the sound of them rising up from the debris... was just horrific when you put 2 and 2 together. I'd never seen this aspect of ground zero before.

Reading through some of these responses, its dissapointing to see that people are so quick to put aside the tragic loss of life - in preference to criticise the politicians for their decisions that followed the attacks.

Do you think you'd be making such statements 5 years ago to the day? No - you would have been demanding revenge like everyone else.

I'm not sure when it became trendy to oppose the US and everything they do. But the people who changed their tune when it became cool to do so - they know who they are. And if they can live with the fact that they are trend following hypocrites - then so can i.

Could not agree more. People are far too quick to assume things and jump on the "lets Hate America" bandwagon after just reading a few websites and watching a couple of Doco's.
There are three sides to every story...Ours, there's and the Truth.

[Smoked]

Heat does wonders to reducing the strength of Steel.

[Franky]

these shows about 9/11 really seem to be getting old, we know what happened, we know how it happened and we know thousands were killed.

No disrespect to people who's loved ones were involved but do we have to have hundreds of shows about it forced down out throats every year?

[AC]

So i guess your renting some video's tonight eh Franky ;)

[Firefox7]

Watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9oWLDyMgz4



Cheers.

[Falcon Freak]

What happened on the 9th of November?

FF

[LTDHO]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

What happened on the 9th of November?

FF

It was a week after my bithday, very significant day in history....

Although September 11th, 2001 there was a bigger event.

You can watch and read as much as you want about the attack and you will never know, not unless after 50 years the US government decide to release the truth.

[klawsterfobik]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

It was a week after my bithday, very significant day in history....

Although September 11th, 2001 there was a bigger event.

Too right it was a bigger event, it was my 17th birthday!

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Firefox7

Watch this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9oWLDyMgz4



Cheers.

And this site debunks/explains all that

http://internetdetectives.biz/case/loose-change

[Franky]

Originally Posted by 2ndOwner

So i guess your renting some video's tonight eh Franky ;)

haha yeah I had to fill in some time before the grand prix came on.

and FF it is commonly refered to a nine eleven so don't be a smart **** lol

[the_scotsman]

Theres a Loose Change 2...its also just as interesting!

I've followed this conspiracy for a long while now...have seen all the docos...it really does make you wonder...there's just so much that can't be explained...Have a look at Fahrenheit 9/11 for example..the issues it brings up...I mean WTF???

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by the_scotsman

Theres a Loose Change 2...its also just as interesting!

I've followed this conspiracy for a long while now...have seen all the docos...it really does make you wonder...there's just so much that can't be explained...Have a look at Fahrenheit 9/11 for example..the issues it brings up...I mean WTF???

What exactly cant be explained?
Fahrenheit 9/11 was full of flat out lies and deceits. It was certianly not a documentary, more like a docu-drama.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

[XRQTR]

The biggest joke is that they still don't have the people responsible, reason, it would mean that they couldn't play with their guns anymore.

Just this morning I heard that Bin-Laden is still hiding in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, he's been their for how long now??? and yet they still can't find him, or perhaps that should be don't want to.

That's the true reason behind all of this, I mean it was proven that Iraq had no WMD's and yet Bush and his cronies, of which Howard is definitely one, still insist on staying in Iraq and 'searching' for them. Then their is the whole Iran issue, how about you just let them go junior and monitor them in a more peaceful manner, I mean isn't it easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar.

And don't even get me started on the Israel/Lebanon conflict, anyone that saw the reports afterwards saw just how precise the Israeli attacks were(n't).

They, America, either invade or sanction so many invasions into countries that I am amazed that they still can't understand why they are hated by so many, not the people but the government. Unfortunately the people are seen to be accepting and willing participants by many of the terrorists, hence the indiscriminant attacks on civilians.

I could go on but then, but I have to go, and please think about what I have written before replying with some smart a##ed comments.

[max]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

The biggest joke is that they still don't have the people responsible, reason, it would mean that they couldn't play with their guns anymore.

Just this morning I heard that Bin-Laden is still hiding in the mountains between Afghanistan and Pakistan, he's been their for how long now??? and yet they still can't find him, or perhaps that should be don't want to.

That's the true reason behind all of this, I mean it was proven that Iraq had no WMD's and yet Bush and his cronies, of which Howard is definitely one, still insist on staying in Iraq and 'searching' for them. Then their is the whole Iran issue, how about you just let them go junior and monitor them in a more peaceful manner, I mean isn't it easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar.

And don't even get me started on the Israel/Lebanon conflict, anyone that saw the reports afterwards saw just how precise the Israeli attacks were(n't).

They, America, either invade or sanction so many invasions into countries that I am amazed that they still can't understand why they are hated by so many, not the people but the government. Unfortunately the people are seen to be accepting and willing participants by many of the terrorists, hence the indiscriminant attacks on civilians.

I could go on but then, but I have to go, and please think about what I have written before replying with some smart a##ed comments.

I agree with you. Also it appears Saddam did not TRUST Al Qaeda. Did not want a bar of them.... So now Iraq is a total shimmozle, Afghanistan is a dog's breakfast, yeah Lebanon/Israel– lets not go there.... and perhaps the next little fracas will commence in Iran! Long live our brilliant world leaders who are fighting the war on terrorism!! Five years down the track its all better is it not(not)??

[DJL351]

While I don't wish to start a fight on this subject..... out:

I can not see why some still think that governments don't lie??? :

Why was there now huge Jet Fuel fire at the Petagon?
(there are photos of the first, second and third floors showning not even smoke damage)
Why are there no parts (engine - Tail etc) of the 757 shown at the Petagon?
Why are all the video camera tapes from both the Petagon wall and the services station still hidden??
(if it proves the government right, why not show it??)

Why did the people on the four plane ringing FAMILY??? (the one that never was.... sorry crashed...)
Why did they not ring the police???? (if their mobile phones were working at all?)

Why were so many things change at the WTC only days and week before???
(Sniffer dogs were banned, guards were taken off 12 hour shifts)

Too may "WHY" questions for me.

We are the ones that have lost out... we now have less freedoms.
Things like, being held longer by police without charge, wire taps are easier to get.... etc

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by DJL351

While I don't wish to start a fight on this subject..... out:

I can not see why some still think that governments don't lie??? :

Why was there now huge Jet Fuel fire at the Petagon?
(there are photos of the first, second and third floors showning not even smoke damage)
Why are there no parts (engine - Tail etc) of the 757 shown at the Petagon?
Why are all the video camera tapes from both the Petagon wall and the services station still hidden??
(if it proves the government right, why not show it??)

Why did the people on the four plane ringing FAMILY??? (the one that never was.... sorry crashed...)
Why did they not ring the police???? (if their mobile phones were working at all?)

Why were so many things change at the WTC only days and week before???
(Sniffer dogs were banned, guards were taken off 12 hour shifts)

Too may "WHY" questions for me.

We are the ones that have lost out... we now have less freedoms.
Things like, being held longer by police without charge, wire taps are easier to get.... etc

1/ Im looking for the link that shows massive a fireball directly after the plane hit taken by a person from the motorway
EDIT Found it http://criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.html

2/ Engine and airplane parts
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

3/ There is no service station facing the pentagon, and since when does service stations have quality footage? And since when do they look at anything other than the cars filling up?

4/ Who says they didnt ring police? If you know you whats already happened that day, and are pretty sure you're going to die, you'd rather speak to your family than a 911 operator would you not?
Pics of the crash site
http://internetdetectives.biz/case/l...93-didnt-crash

5/ It was because of phone threats over the previous 2 weeks. Security guards were still present, and there was at least one bomb detection dog available on September 11.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

I mean it was proven that Iraq had no WMD's and yet Bush and his cronies, of which Howard is definitely one, still insist on staying in Iraq and 'searching' for them.

Sorry...I think I have to disagree there...Yes ok, Bush is certainly looking like a bit of a fool at the moment but does everyone remember when the UN were trying to get into Iraq to check for WMD?

Hans: Knock Knock "Mr. Sadam...we think you have WMD stored here, in Iraq. Can we please come in and have a look arround to make sure this isnt the case?"

Sadm "NO..go away"

Hans "Oh...ok...sorry to disturb you."

Now repeat this cycle for 2 or so months and Sadam has created plenty of time to organise and plan a strategic removal of all Proof of WMD.
Just annother way of looking at it. Bush may have dont some made some bad/stupid decisions but I think people are far to quick to jump on the "We hate Bush" Bandwagon sometimes

[drcook]

Originally Posted by XRQTR

The biggest joke is that they still don't have the people responsible, reason, it would mean that they couldn't play with their guns anymore.

.

i think if they found bin laden (if they havent already) they wouldnt be letting us know.
they have their public political criminal (saddam husein) that they can plaster over the tv showing that america and the rest of the world are democratic in giving him a proper trial.

me thinks bin laden wont be given the same democratic treatment (nor should he).

[rag top]

I'm waiting for the conspirasory theorists to say that 9-11 was a hollywood production.

[Sourbastard]

Its well known that the Alliance of Evil, consisting of the Masons, the gray aliens, and the wiggles plotted from their orbiting battle fortress for years to bring down the World Trade Center. Their motivation is unclear, but I'm betting it was due to Jeff sleeping in.

[GCFordChic]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Its well known that the Alliance of Evil, consisting of the Masons, the gray aliens, and the wiggles plotted from their orbiting battle fortress for years to bring down the World Trade Center. Their motivation is unclear, but I'm betting it was due to Jeff sleeping in.

Dont forget the Teletubbies involvement, scrambling the minds of the masses. Im glad i wore my al-foil helmet!

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Dont forget the Teletubbies involvement, scrambling the minds of the masses. Im glad i wore my al-foil helmet!

The teletubbies were bred by the wiggles by mating a rhino with a garden gnome. They were intended to be the ultimate warrior for world domination, cute like a gnome, yet violent like a Rhino. Instead they got 4 multicoloured, brainless rhino sized retards.

They seemed destined for TV from birth.

[Olympus]

Propaganda against propaganda.

[EA2BA]

I am so glad we got foxtel so I can avoid watching all the 911 rubbish, it happened, it was terrible, but lets just move on people.

[jimmy_c]

Originally Posted by 1970galaxie

Did any one watch the TV last night about this?
A mate of mine told me about it today, and he said it was a real eye opener.
According to the website, it was an inside job by the CIA or FBI.

Here's a link to a website which was mentioned on the program.
http://letsroll911.org/phpwebsite/

Yeah, I know what everybody is thinking, but really, you need to check this out.

Their is some scary people running the show. we are bombarded as a society with crap that doesnt make sense and never will for a long time.