I blame the parents...

balthazarr · 24-12-2009, 09:10 AM

From: http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...006301,00.html
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Teen thug sent to adult prison
SEAN FEWSTER, COURT REPORTER
December 23, 2009 06:30pm

FOR eight hours in December 2007, three boys terrorised the suburbs - stealing cars, pointing guns at people and robbing petrol stations - to earn some pocket money.

Aged just 14, 15 and 16, the brazen and aggressive trio showed utter disregard for the public, also destroying the door of a home and vowing to kill the family inside.

Yesterday they sat in stunned silence as the District Court ruled their "rampage" was serious enough to treat them as adults.

The eldest lost all composure when Judge Peter Brebner jailed him for nine years - and further ordered he serve half that time in an adult prison.

"You committed a simply staggering number of crimes to fund your drug-taking and have money in your pocket," he said. "The course of conduct to which you all contributed was simply outrageous and intolerable. Your crimes are very grave . . . you went on a wanton, violent and terrifying rampage."

The sentence reduced the youth's family to hysterical tears, and they hurled abuse at the bench. Judge Brebner ordered the other two youths - now aged 17 and 16 - serve minimum terms of 3½ years and three years and nine months, respectively. The trio pleaded guilty to 22 offences including aggravated robbery, threatening life and theft.

The 16-year-old was armed with a replica pistol while the 17-year-old used a tyre lever.

"The nature and number of crimes you committed displays your complete disregard for the safety of others and for the law," Judge Brebner said. "The only way I can ensure you receive the care and guidance you require in the future is to sentence each of you as adults."

They were assisted in some of their crimes by Scott Dwayne Graham, 26. Judge Brebner said Graham was intoxicated, but "should have known better". He was jailed for seven years and two months, with a non-parole period of four years and nine months.

Unbelievable. Rather than feel shame and remorse at their child's abhorrent behaviour, the family hurled abuse at the bench? IMHO, they should have been jailed for contempt.

FrogInASock · 24-12-2009, 09:25 AM

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This MUST have had some lead in activity. Surely three little angels wouldn't have just decided "Hey! Let's get a replica pistol and a tyre lever and go on a rampage!". It'd betoo easy to say that the "friends and neighbours" should have sorted them out before this, but the families involved would just as likely have gone crying to the police themselves.

pitpal · 24-12-2009, 09:58 AM

WE need more judges like that in victoria...

Dave_Obsession · 24-12-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pitpal

WE need more judges like that in victoria...

Very well said.

I think it's just fact that some people should simply not be allowed to have kids of their own.....I just feel sorry for those parents, because they probably learned how to behave from their parents, who were most likely rude and abrasive, just as they were in the courtroom towards the bench....

Those kids never had a chance.

Bring back compulsory national service for 6 months when kids finish school...give all these hero kids who think they can do whatever they like a massive kick in the pants.....teach them some respect.....it would take a generation of change to really kick in, but my old man says that things used to be different back in the day LOL, to the point where you could leave your house unlocked with the front door open, go off down the street to the shops for an hour etc, and know that nothing would happen while you are gone.....can you imagine doing that today????

I'm only 25 and I work in an industry where we deal with a lot of kids from different backgrounds and situations......sometimes it is staggering how disrepectful some kids can be....

GK · 26-12-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

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Unbelievable. Rather than feel shame and remorse at their child's abhorrent behaviour, the family hurled abuse at the bench?

The way of the world it seems. No respect shown by the kids, as none is shown by the parents.

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Originally Posted by pitpal

WE need more judges like that in victoria...

Agreed, but I'd add we need more judges like that everywhere!

GK

Mr Brooksy · 24-12-2009, 10:12 AM

Is it any wonder the kids have no respect and take no responsibilities for thier actions when Mummy and Daddy scream at someone with the power to throw them in the slammer! There are some a***hole parents these days! Eg, one kid I know of has parents that smoke away (drugs) all their Centrelink payments every fortnight and don't buy food for the year 8 kid or anything else for that matter. They even took the kids birthday presents (given to him by someone at his school) from him a week later and sold them to buy more drugs!! Unbelieveable!!!

So maybe in some cases that go to court (like the above article), the parents should be liable for the same sentence!

paule11 · 24-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

Is it any wonder the kids have no respect and take no responsibilities for thier actions when Mummy and Daddy scream at someone with the power to throw them in the slammer! There are some a***hole parents these days! Eg, one kid I know of has parents that smoke away (drugs) all their Centrelink payments every fortnight and don't buy food for the year 8 kid or anything else for that matter. They even took the kids birthday presents (given to him by someone at his school) from him a week later and sold them to buy more drugs!! Unbelieveable!!!

So maybe in some cases that go to court (like the above article), the parents should be liable for the same sentence!

What future has that kid got with parents like that he would be real unhappy and should be having a lot of fun at 8 years old.

Judges do seem to be giving out better penalities these days

**TUF_302** · 24-12-2009, 12:58 PM

Bout time someone got real time for there crime!

Those parents must be the lowest of low to hurl abuse at the bench, lock them up to i say!

Mr Brooksy · 24-12-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by paule11

What future has that kid got with parents like that he would be real unhappy and should be having a lot of fun at 8 years old.

Judges do seem to be giving out better penalities these days

I've got bad news, the story I just told is the norm guys. I'm sorry to say but the fact is that an overwhelming amount of young kids are subjected to these kind of so called parents! And if you've worked with and or studied young peoples development, you'll also know that the odds are stacked against these kids ever being able to break the cycle. Most kids grow up like thier folks.

So the stupid mong*al parents are more to blame than the kids. Yes there is the minority exception (good parents with troubled kids) but when all is said and done, parents like the above article need to be held accountable. If their not, our future is stuffed, cause we have stuffed our kids.

Sorry end of rant!

I get a little passionate about this stuff cause my career etc is focused on giving these kind of kids positive role models etc. But my heart breaks for these kids in these families. Sorry.

Oh and the story I told was of a kid in year 8, which is 14 years old approx.

Kryton · 24-12-2009, 10:40 AM

About time the courts started handing out some real time.
In Warrnambool, all of those offenses would have got you just 80 hours community service or if you were really unlucky, 3 months jail suspended for 2 years with a $100 fine.

Very good to see some real sentences handed out.

jaydee · 24-12-2009, 01:24 PM

Teenagers sent to jail for committing crimes, my God, what's the world coming to. They're just kids letting off steam, this is outrageous, what happened to warnings, community service orders and home detention.
Whats more staggering is that it was a Judge from Australia, this is the sort of knee jerk reaction you would expect from the States.
Yes I'm joking, rot in prison you little a holes.

mik · 25-12-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

Teenagers sent to jail for committing crimes, my God, what's the world coming to. They're just kids letting off steam, this is outrageous, what happened to warnings, community service orders and home detention.
Whats more staggering is that it was a Judge from Australia, this is the sort of knee jerk reaction you would expect from the States.
Yes I'm joking, rot in prison you little a holes.

outrageous you say ......i have to disagree, threataning people with a tyre iron causeing destruction to property , robbing petrol stations, threataning people with a replica gun is not blowing off steam, had they got away with it where would there future escapades led them?
they have to know they do wrong .....there will be consequences, perhaps if the parent/s had taught them discipline a little better this would not have happened.

InTrail · 25-12-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

outrageous you say ......i have to disagree,

Perhaps read the whole post again, especially the last line.

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I'd wholeheartedly support a National service scheme. In principle it's not much different to work for the dole schemes but targets the youth.

And there's no need for them to be placed in frontline positions. Plenty of work in support roles, or emergency service response, such as SES.

pottery beige · 25-12-2009, 01:40 PM

These little *@%# have been running amok for way to long in adelaide about time they copped a decent slotting.. I love the little bit where poor little chookum's lost all his composure.. Sob.. Sob.. Suffer in ya jock's ya little creep!!..

mik · 25-12-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by InTrail

Perhaps read the whole post again, especially the last line.

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I'd wholeheartedly support a National service scheme. In principle it's not much different to work for the dole schemes but targets the youth.

And there's no need for them to be placed in frontline positions. Plenty of work in support roles, or emergency service response, such as SES.

you are quiet right InTrail, my apologies Jaydee i missed that last bit.....my bad.

MO · 25-12-2009, 05:40 PM

My idea of the national service for the youth is exactly a support and logistics one.
The idea being to give them the discipline factor of the military,the look after your comrades in the day to day routine of the job i.e. get in and help each other,don't sit back and bludge.
A sense of worth in that when you do good you get treated good,to instil a good work ethic. There is much more I could say re the above but you get the idea.
After a set period of time of natio's which I think should be a minimum of one year then give them the choice of staying on in the regular military.
If they decide to stay on then and only then will they be given the training needed for combat etc.

**Falcon Coupe** · 24-12-2009, 01:28 PM

A contempt of court charge for the parents could have finished the day well for the Judge.

gtfpv · 24-12-2009, 06:55 PM

i'm all for national service , but not at the expense of my sons or daughters life .

Dave_Obsession · 24-12-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i'm all for national service , but not at the expense of my sons or daughters life .

Nah not to send them to the front line or anything......but something similar to what they do in Singapore etc......basically 6 months bootcamp where they get the hell beaten out of them at the start, and yet come back like perfect gentlemen......

Pinkbits · 25-12-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

Nah not to send them to the front line or anything......but something similar to what they do in Singapore etc......basically 6 months bootcamp where they get the hell beaten out of them at the start, and yet come back like perfect gentlemen......

And the purpose that would serve is?...................

XR6TCraig · 27-12-2009, 07:08 PM

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And the purpose that would serve is?...................

National service would instill a bit of old fashioned discipline into every member of the community as well as to teach people like these brazen thugs that their are consequences for your actions. Thats where society has failed in the last 30 years IMO.

As it stands pretty much every kid younger than 30 was never threatened with corporal punishment as kids at school or home. The strap was taken out of school and if a parent hits their kid they are breaking the law in many states.

In some instances this leads to individuals that think that they pretty much can get away with anything with no consequences!

Like these three bright sparks and their families.

Bucknaked · 25-12-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i'm all for national service , but not at the expense of my sons or daughters life .

I agree. I love this country, but the last thing I would do, is commit my child to war for the interests of this country so his life can be traded for that of another, or for what ever cause the government deems worth dying for. This is not the middle east. We don't groom our children for war and to die for any cause or at the hands of any dictor. It should be his choice whether he enters the armed forces to fight for his country. Not the decision of the political party of the day.

bd737 · 26-12-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I agree. I love this country, but the last thing I would do, is commit my child to war for the interests of this country so his life can be traded for that of another, or for what ever cause the government deems worth dying for. This is not the middle east. We don't groom our children for war and to die for any cause or at the hands of any dictor. It should be his choice whether he enters the armed forces to fight for his country. Not the decision of the political party of the day.

Agree entirely.

Something like 12 months with the SES, were they can actually help people and make a real difference, would be better.

MO · 26-12-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bd737

Agree entirely.

Something like 12 months with the SES, were they can actually help people and make a real difference, would be better.

There is one problem I just thought of with the SES/CFA etc they're volunteer=no pay.
At least with the natio's they would be getting paid along with the other benefits that they get e.g.medical,accomodation etc and yes a percentage of pay is deducted for their board and lodgings,no different to renting and having a job. If they could/would get one.

Bucknaked · 28-12-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bd737

Agree entirely.

Something like 12 months with the SES, were they can actually help people and make a real difference, would be better.

SES service is a great idea. This way they directly put back into the same community that they have been taking from.

boss-290 · 24-12-2009, 07:34 PM

I agree, we need more judges like this. They are rather hefty sentences. Hopefully it will teach them.

The Parents are as disgraceful as the children.

onfire · 24-12-2009, 08:02 PM

I doubt we need a national service to teach kids to behave, we just need stronger and better policing. And I'm not just talking about from law enforcement, I'm talking about in schools and the local community.

A problem child does something wrong, 9 times out of 10, its barely addressed. Teach them, that theres a line and make sure they know when they cross it.

platinumXR · 27-12-2009, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by onfire

we just need stronger and better policing. And I'm not just talking about from law enforcement, I'm talking about in schools and the local community.

A problem child does something wrong, 9 times out of 10, its barely addressed. Teach them, that theres a line and make sure they know when they cross it.

Policing is as strong and as good as it can be with the limited resources they have, but it is the judicial system that negates the effort by inapropriate sentencing and punishment / rehab...but then again...they can only do what THEY are allowed to do...vicious circle.

Police have enough powers to do their job, but they need reinforcement from juduciary, community and individuals.

MO · 27-12-2009, 07:58 AM

Don't disagree but the policing I am partly on about is the old school sort where the cop could kick a kids bum,give them a cuff under the ear etc and not get into deep poo.
e.g. back in the mid/late 70's I was living in Queanbeyan NSW,one of the local coppers had a pretty good reign on the kids. He kept them in line for the most part and their parents knew it. Most of the stuff the kids did was minor but because he used his #10 etc they knew where they stood.

Unfortunately a new family in town, young bloke had a run in with this copper well long story short the kid cried to his mummy,she cried foul to his bosses and that copper ended up out in the middle of nowhere in a one horse town.
Needless to say things went downhill from there. He was a bloody good copper always fair and straight up.

pottery beige · 27-12-2009, 08:23 AM

Sorry MO you just gave your age away you old bugger... hehe..
Where do we sit with doing a national service with these little creep's.. alot of them have a history from a very young age of criminal and drug abuse.. doe's that get them out of it or maybe just a less informal boot style camp to SLAP THEM INTO SHAPE!!!!