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WizBang

08-04-2009 02:12 AM

Well apart form the work we have been doing for this for the last 3 years all I can say is when the main part of the job kicks off I might be able to get a new ute .

balthazarr

08-04-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Work Horse

Confusion, what are you on about?

The material that has been refused classification is on the "black list".

Yes, along with dentist's and tourist operator's websites... :mrsparkle

But seriously, you can't possible think that of the millions of sites, only 1,300 or so warrant a classification refusal?

The current blacklist is built up via complaints to ACMA, and also ACMA's own investigations. It is essentially a manual process. The new filters will attempt to automate the blocking of whatever content the government seeks fit to block, and I can guarantee you that it will catch a lot more than 1,300 sites.

Anyway, back on topic - I think this proposal, where the government owns the infrastructure, is the best possible scheme... it's what they should have done with Telstra - sell the retail arm, but keep ownership of the infrastructure. That way, every player is on equal footing, and true competition can emerge, without having to artificially regulate the main player.

Work Horse

08-04-2009 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

But seriously, you can't possible think that of the millions of sites, only 1,300 or so warrant a classification refusal?

It's not about what I think, it's about what it is the government plans to do.

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

The current blacklist is built up via complaints to ACMA, and also ACMA's own investigations. It is essentially a manual process. The new filters will attempt to automate the blocking of whatever content the government seeks fit to block, and I can guarantee you that it will catch a lot more than 1,300 sites.

You can guarantee nothing. What you have posted is not what the government is planning. It is futile to discuss classifying the entire internet, as no one is proposing that.

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Originally Posted by balthazarr

Anyway, back on topic - I think this proposal, where the government owns the infrastructure, is the best possible scheme... it's what they should have done with Telstra - sell the retail arm, but keep ownership of the infrastructure. That way, every player is on equal footing, and true competition can emerge, without having to artificially regulate the main player.

I agree, but the government plans to sell the infrastructure after fifteen years?

If it's profitable to own the infrastructure why sell it at all?

If it's not profitable to own the infrastructure, who would buy it for money?

Daymoe

11-04-2009 04:24 PM

This NBN is retarded in the first place anyways, they plan on using FTTN (Fibre to the Node), so you still have copper going from your house to the node, then fibre from there on. Why not just spend the extra (lots extra) and go FTTH and have way faster speeds and something future proofed? It is just a waste of money. Anyways, with this new censorship coming along, we'll be slowing down the ALREADY SLOW internet anyway, it makes no sense, one step forward, 15 backwards.

Do the job properly or don't do it at all.

UPDATE: Apparently they are doing FTTH? I haven't been in arguments about this for a while, sorry. Last time I remember was it was $4.7B

Bluehoon

11-04-2009 04:50 PM

Australianit has the best coverage so far. 43billion dollars for a fibrer to the premises based network.

www.australianit.news.com.au is so far the best source of information.

Personally, it's ill fated. Australians won't pay the extra needed to repay the cost, based on that investors won't be fronting up. Then there's telstra.

Conroy and rudd have no idea what they are doing and time is only proving their ill-fated short sighted and politically miss directed concepts. The net filter has fallen over into a screaming heap, with Ihug suing Conroy over slanderous comments.

Federal politics, a sand pit for two year olds.

flappist

11-04-2009 06:33 PM

Conroy is to IT what Garrett is to environment. Lots of singing, bad dancing and not much else.

On the brighter side, IF this FTTP actually gets up and running it will spell disaster for the Telstra/Optus/Ch7-9-10/Austar/Foxtel monopolies.

100mb/s means you can voip/iptel commercially, watch any IPTV network (CNN/ABC/CBS/ESPN/NBC/BBC etc) and don't have to put up with the stylised crap made up of 66% content, 33% advertisments (and 1% dropouts).

P.S. I actually had the good fortune to meet and talk with Conroy some time ago. It was quite appropriate that the intro music played during the presentation was "Real Thing" by Russell Morris and the Rubes. :)

Redmund

11-04-2009 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

4000 managers, 3000 OHP inspectors, 2000 union liason officers, 1000 inter group liason officers and a guy from New Zealand who is over here backpacking to actually dig the trench.

It is important to note that the actual optical cable colour and shape is currently under review. A committe has been formed to appoint sub committes to assess the impacts of various colours and shapes on the worms and bugs that will live in the trenches after they have been returned to their natural state.

Both of these groups are waiting for the committee for cultural impact to review the reports from the sub comittees currently interviewing minority groups to ensure that there will be no offence given to any ancient dieties or interference to mardi-gras preperations.

"The new network will be 100 times faster than the current one which it is hoped with compensate for it costing 100 times as nuch and taking 100 times as long to be connected".

Cynicism. Agree and love it.

Daymoe

11-04-2009 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Conroy is to IT what Garrett is to environment. Lots of singing, bad dancing and not much else.

On the brighter side, IF this FTTP actually gets up and running it will spell disaster for the Telstra/Optus/Ch7-9-10/Austar/Foxtel monopolies.

100mb/s means you can voip/iptel commercially, watch any IPTV network (CNN/ABC/CBS/ESPN/NBC/BBC etc) and don't have to put up with the stylised crap made up of 66% content, 33% advertisments (and 1% dropouts).

P.S. I actually had the good fortune to meet and talk with Conroy some time ago. It was quite appropriate that the intro music played during the presentation was "Real Thing" by Russell Morris and the Rubes. :)

About damn time too!

Bluehoon

11-04-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Given the nature of the rollout and the implications of the government running it as a competitor, do you really see it happening?
Last time I checked Tekstra still owns and controls key and expensive "gateways"...
Do you see these monopolies breaking? All i see is court battles over tick tack toe that will only erode the dollars.

Good to see the monopolies broken but I don't forsee the dudd and conroy getting it across the line.
Good time to be a lawyer, strategies or analyst in telecommunications about now...

ebxr8240

12-04-2009 12:13 AM

World Wide Waite Sheesh !!

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