Covid 19 -

[mostly_broncos]

Apparently I now know someone who is a "superspreader" He went to a thanksgiving dinner sick(possibly knowingly) and caused(possibly ?) about 12 cases . They are blaming him at least , its possible he was patient 1 not patient zero in this particular mess. Lots of finger pointing going on , not a good look for anyone involved really.

It looks like he might not make it. He had a temp of 103 , went to the urgent care and they told him he couldn't be admitted until his oxygen level went below 88% ! They gave him a monitor to wear at home. 4 or 5 days with a high temp then he went down to 88% and they sent an ambulance for him. Then they say , oh gee you have pneumonia too now ! He went to the hospital in Tucson, AZ whothen medflighted him to Phoenix on the spot.

The guy has 1 kidney and smokes they couldn't have predicted pneumonia ? Maybe give him a scrip for antibiotics ? Nope deny inpatient care then he gets an urgent $20,000 helicopter flight bit of CYA going on there.

In Phoenix for 3 days , no one is allowed to visit , nothing heard then a video call because he is losing kidney function so say goodbye to your kids just in case. Gibberish and jargon , 14% kidney function? No mention of what a guy missing a kidney had to start with though.

He has 2 kids , 11 and 13 they had to go stay with his brother . Both kids were in the house with him the whole time he had it with the high fever and have tested negative throughout . His brother was at the party and around him and the kids also and negative on 2 tests. The brother is hugely overweight and a smoker , about 57 years old I think. so was probably worried the whole time , the goodbye call was 2 days ago no word since .

Tough on the kids , they lost their mom from a car wreck 2 years ago . As someone who lost his dad at an early age , its not easy but the being in limbo part , not hearing one way or the other has to be the toughest part.

You are waiting for the phone to ring but afraid to pick it up . I think the more time that goes by , maybe the better his chances , maybe IV antibiotics start to work on the pneumonia ? Kind of impressive he was able to sit there with such a high fever and no care for days like that , might be hopeful.


Weird thing I heard the other day , was a theory that the MMR vaccine might be giving some protection against it and might explain why kids are not really being hit by it.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT December 11th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

11 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR remains 3.242%. NSW recorded 9 cases WA recorded 2. It should be noted that Victoria has recorded 5 cases today but they all look to be returned travellers.

4 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.195% and active cases rise to 57.

The UK had a higher 21,582 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 424 deaths.

Just over 227k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,019 deaths sees CMR drop to 1.868% and active cases rise to 40.0% with the raw numbers rising and now over 6.4M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 71M with the last 1M in 1 day;
Global deaths pass 1.6M with the last 50k in only 3 days;
Global cases set a new daily high of 694,302 (10/12);
Global deaths set a new daily high of 12,930 (10/12);
The USA passes 300k deaths - 2 weeks earlier than predicted;
The USA completes 216M, India 151M, UK 47M, Switzerland 3M and Serbia 2M tests.

Mauritania (233);
Namibia (342) - the3 previous high on Aug 6th;
South Korea (688);
Nigeria (796) - the previous high on July 1st;
Belarus (1,967);
Panama (2,447) on 10/12;
Japan (2,969);
Germany (28,344)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[HIPO]

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/0...20-weeks-1-19/

plenty of similar figures from other sources as well if peeps search deaths "all causes".

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by HIPO

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/0...20-weeks-1-19/

Is that THE Mr Drummond?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by HIPO

https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/0...20-weeks-1-19/

plenty of similar figures from other sources as well if peeps search deaths "all causes".

Perhaps this thread needs a sticky; the same questions keep coming up.

HIPO the manta around Covid has always been "slow the spread flatten the curve".

The reason for that is so health systems are not over run.

Once people are dead it's very unfortunate, but there are hundreds of people filling up hospital beds for every dead person.

Once health systems reach capacity people start dieing of treatable conditions because there is not enough medical staff to go around and doctors are forced to choose who to treat.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/pm-to...owns-13505226/
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/us-p...-days-yet.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2IA167

plenty of similar figures from other sources as well if peeps search "Covid overruns hospital".

[DJR-351]

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Perhaps this thread needs a sticky; the same questions keep coming up.

HIPO the manta around Covid has always been "slow the spread flatten the curve".

The reason for that is so health systems are not over run.

Once people are dead it's very unfortunate, but there are hundreds of people filling up hospital beds for every dead person.

Once health systems reach capacity people start dieing of treatable conditions because there is not enough medical staff to go around and doctors are forced to choose who to treat.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/30/pm-to...owns-13505226/
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/11/us-p...-days-yet.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL1N2IA167

plenty of similar figures from other sources as well if peeps search "Covid overruns hospital".

ok , lots of independent sources... not msm's.... i guess you guys are the type that buy the interior protection package when buying a car etc.... basically the mantra on here is MSM good anything else bad.... wow, brainwashed!
going by the figures then, the hospitals are no more over run than most other years....

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by HIPO

ok , lots of independent sources... not msm's.... i guess you guys are the type that buy the interior protection package when buying a car etc.... basically the mantra on here is MSM good anything else bad.... wow, brainwashed!
going by the figures then, the hospitals are no more over run than most other years....

Occam's razor mate, I don't see a conspiracy because I'm not looking for one.

We are not seeing millions die from Covid (yet) and hospitals completely over run because we are taking steps to prevent it.

The only way to convince you and the likes of Hector Drummond is to do nothing at all and let Covid really take hold.

Even then there would be those who simply would never admit they may have not been completely correct calling it all a conspiracy from the start.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by HIPO

wow, brainwashed!

Sorry but.. it really is!

Must be a SA thing. All of Australia should close all borders to SA. Stop this virus from further spread.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Must be a SA thing. All of Australia should close all borders to SA. Stop this virus from further spread.

Let's compare the record of each state

There was a virus in vic long before covid hit

[MITCHAY]

FDA has given emergency use authorization for Pfizer vaccine so thats good news for the US.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

FDA has given emergency use authorization for Pfizer vaccine so thats good news for the US.

I'm glad in a way that several other countries are starting to roll out mass immunisation as of last week.

It will give it some time to get around and see how it effects the recipients.

In 3 or 4 months if we get it, it may be better refined or an updated formula.

I don't think travel is expected to resume till March? I'm happy to wait a little longer for my next trip if it means the current vaccine has had time for some real world testing.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by prydey

Wrong. Just like anywhere you will likely find it is the minority with the loudest voice. Those taking it serious would be a the majority.

Nope. Just wait and see.

Clearly hardly anyone over there is taking it serious. You would have to be blind to not see that.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Nope. Just wait and see.

Clearly hardly anyone over there is taking it serious. You would have to be blind to not see that.

I can second that. My sis, who lives in the US, is a bit of snowflake when it comes to health and hygiene. Yet they didn't hesitate to take the family on a camping trip with other kids and adults. From the photos they sent, it looks as though social distancing was non existent, and they were wearing masks only when they felt like it. I think seeing half the country and the leader not taking it seriously certainly does rub off.

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

I can second that. My sis, who lives in the US, is a bit of snowflake when it comes to health and hygiene. Yet they didn't hesitate to take the family on a camping trip with other kids and adults. From the photos they sent, it looks as though social distancing was non existent, and they were wearing masks only when they felt like it. I think seeing half the country and the leader not taking it seriously certainly does rub off.

social distance around her own family ? I don't know anyone doing that

I wear a mask at the store or whatever but not around friends or family .

Nobody I know wears a mask outdoors although I have seen people alone in a car wearing a mask , I try to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they just left a store and are going right to another one.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I'm glad in a way that several other countries are starting to roll out mass immunisation as of last week.

It will give it some time to get around and see how it effects the recipients.

In 3 or 4 months if we get it, it may be better refined or an updated formula.

I don't think travel is expected to resume till March? I'm happy to wait a little longer for my next trip if it means the current vaccine has had time for some real world testing.

Never known any vaccine that is 100% risk free for everyone as they all can have risks for some people.
Tell you what when we get it here in Australia I will let you know since I'm a high risk person and will not hesitate in getting it.
Cheers.

[PhilT2]

So the refrigerated trucks used to store bodies never happened? And the crematoriums working overtime?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-...ths-2020-04-07

[Citroënbender]

It absolutely happened to my mate’s father, who died in NY. Frozen for a few weeks, then a prompt, impersonal cremation. Wasn’t short of a quid, either - so it can’t be slated to poverty.

And from Texas - this image will linger a while yet.



Source - SBS/Getty

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT December 12th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

13 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR remains 3.240%. NSW recorded 6 cases, Victoria 5 and Queensland / WA recorded 1 reach.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.195% and active cases remain at 57.

The UK had a lower 21,501 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 520 deaths.

Just over 280k new cases (a new record) in the USA yesterday and 3,035 deaths sees CMR drop to 1.854% and active cases drop to 39.9% with the raw numbers rising and now over 6.5M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 72M with the last 1M in 1 day;
Global cases set a new daily high of 704,570 (11/12);
North America passes 19M cases;
The USA completes 219M, India 152M, Russia 82M, Italy 24M, Colombia 7M and Panama 1M tests.

Syria (130);
Mauritania (279);
Estonia (760) - 36% above the previous high;
South Korea (950) - 38% above the high yesterday;
Albania (879);
Belarus (1,975);
Panama (2,806);
Denmark (3,552) - 13% above the previous high;
Slovakia (3,707) - 10% above the previous high;
Mexico (12,253); and
USA (280,140)

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[Tickford.]

On the subject of being over cautious, this morning I walked into a small shop on my way back home and forgot to wear the mask. I was only going in there for 2-3 minutes max. The lady behind the counter almost had a heart attack and told me to step outside. When I realised why she was telling me to step outside, I apologised and walked back out.

It was only her (with mask on) and me in the shop. I was only going to be 2-3 minutes. I'm not displaying any symptoms. Her over reaction was, very concerning. Scary even.

I think it's time for the VIC mask rules to go. I fully understood, and was fully supportive during the tidal wave of case numbers, but I really don't think VIC needs to wear masks now. I'm far from an anti-masker, very far from it. But it's getting to the point where it's almost laughable now.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

On the subject of being over cautious, this morning I walked into a small shop on my way back home and forgot to wear the mask. I was only going in there for 2-3 minutes max. The lady behind the counter almost had a heart attack and told me to step outside. When I realised why she was telling me to step outside, I apologised and walked back out.

It was only her (with mask on) and me in the shop. I was only going to be 2-3 minutes. I'm not displaying any symptoms. Her over reaction was, very concerning. Scary even.

I think it's time for the VIC mask rules to go. I fully understood, and was fully supportive during the tidal wave of case numbers, but I really don't think VIC needs to wear masks now. I'm far from an anti-masker, very far from it. But it's getting to the point where it's almost laughable now.

Absolutely, I have no issue at all with masks when they did something. But when you make people do things that do not add to safety, you lose the attention of the masses, you lose the respect of the rules. They then do not take rules seriously. Get rid of them now, but bring them back immediately if it escapes quarantine.

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

On the subject of being over cautious, this morning I walked into a small shop on my way back home and forgot to wear the mask. I was only going in there for 2-3 minutes max. The lady behind the counter almost had a heart attack and told me to step outside. When I realised why she was telling me to step outside, I apologised and walked back out.

It was only her (with mask on) and me in the shop. I was only going to be 2-3 minutes. I'm not displaying any symptoms. Her over reaction was, very concerning. Scary even.

I think it's time for the VIC mask rules to go. I fully understood, and was fully supportive during the tidal wave of case numbers, but I really don't think VIC needs to wear masks now. I'm far from an anti-masker, very far from it. But it's getting to the point where it's almost laughable now.

Exactly what I mean lets not be this guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

On the subject of being over cautious, this morning I walked into a small shop on my way back home and forgot to wear the mask. I was only going in there for 2-3 minutes max. The lady behind the counter almost had a heart attack and told me to step outside. When I realised why she was telling me to step outside, I apologised and walked back out.

It was only her (with mask on) and me in the shop. I was only going to be 2-3 minutes. I'm not displaying any symptoms. Her over reaction was, very concerning. Scary even.

I think it's time for the VIC mask rules to go. I fully understood, and was fully supportive during the tidal wave of case numbers, but I really don't think VIC needs to wear masks now. I'm far from an anti-masker, very far from it. But it's getting to the point where it's almost laughable now.

I don't mind wearing the mask at shopping centres or the big stores like Bunnings etc just cannot bother to argue any more with the know all's but when outdoors I feel free as I have no inclination to wear one whatsoever.

[CoupeKing]

I thought about posting a Covid joke, but there’s a 99.95% chance you won’t get it.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I thought about posting a Covid joke, but there’s a 99.95% chance you won’t get it.

That depends very much on where you are and when you ask.

Best guess is about 98% of people will not get your joke.

Or to put it another way; in a country like the USA were things are ouf of control 3035 people will get your joke yesterday alone. In Australia on the same day no one will get your joke, not anyone.

And again it seems we need a sticky to explain to those who still have not got it...

the manta around Covid has always been "slow the spread flatten the curve".

The reason for that is so health systems are not over run.

Once people are dead it's very unfortunate, but there are hundreds of people filling up hospital beds for every dead person.

Once health systems reach capacity people start dieing of treatable conditions because there is not enough medical staff to go around and doctors are forced to choose who to treat.

Laugh it up CK.....

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I thought about posting a Covid joke, but there’s a 99.95% chance you won’t get it.

You think it’s funny I guess, post a YouTube video 👍

[Jack91]

I dont even understand the mask rules.
Went to servo, bunnings, autobarn, bottleo, petstock and chemist today.
Bunnings and chemist 100% masks.
Everywhere else 0%, staff included, think maybe one customer in autobarn had one on.
I guess im too dumb to understand the science involved in that.
Sidenote, sportsbet should be running a few bets on time until hotel quarantine gets messed up.
Id take a multi on 12 days, Andrews does 3 handballs before 2nd inquiry.

[Jack91]

Seems like Vic government is really trying hard here to not screw this up again. Id really hate to be the one responsible when one idiot inevitably screws up. We all know itll happen, and we all know it will be amazingly dumb.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

I think it's time for the VIC mask rules to go. I fully understood, and was fully supportive during the tidal wave of case numbers, but I really don't think VIC needs to wear masks now. I'm far from an anti-masker, very far from it. But it's getting to the point where it's almost laughable now.

I don't have an issue with it at the moment but I also notice that it is becoming less adhered to especially in smaller stores where there is no policing of compliance.

It's hardly as if wearing one for a few minutes in a shop has a major impact on the wearer and they have been a part of everyday life in some Asian countries for years.

No doubt that rule will be relaxed eventually but what is wrong with waiting for the experts to decide when that should be>

[mostly_broncos]

Originally Posted by russellw

I don't have an issue with it at the moment but I also notice that it is becoming less adhered to especially in smaller stores where there is no policing of compliance.

It's hardly as if wearing one for a few minutes in a shop has a major impact on the wearer and they have been a part of everyday life in some Asian countries for years.

No doubt that rule will be relaxed eventually but what is wrong with waiting for the experts to decide when that should be>

People that work in smaller stores should not be in the position of enforcing mask mandates. They do not get paid enough to deal with that kind of drama. If its their shop and they try that they will only lose customers.

No one ever gained customers by nagging . Lose-lose situation for everyone