Covid 19 -

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

That one one struck me as being very strange.

As it's the only time I've seen since the plague started that anyone has their names and photo's in the media.

I think that is because they were also involved in a crime spree. Weren't they stealing luxury branded bags or something?

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

On the Shepparton front, imagine if we had an effective track and trace app

amazing, isn't it, no-one seems to be talking about the all being COVID app, I was talking to my wife about it last night. Might as well delete it off our phones

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

**** me, are people really that stupid????

I presume that's a rhetorical question given that we've already been provided with plenty of proof that some people are selfish morons.

I gather this little cluster is related to the Chadstone one despite being more than 200 km away so strike another victory for the ring of steel cotton wool.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

well, thanks to some local ****-wit who either went to Melbourne or has been in close contact with someone who has been to Melbourne (Chadstone shopping centre), we now have 3 active cases here in our regional Vict city.

Did they self-isolate - **** no, they visited about 4 eateries, went shopping at a number of places including Bunnings, got their hair cut, kept working at a retail outlet for at least 2 weeks

**** me, are people really that stupid????? Be ready for a big outbreak here - our rural community is about hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons

I'm surprised that they didn't visit a few aged care facilities and the South Coast of NSW whilst they were about it. Seems to be the norm

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

well, thanks to some local ****-wit who either went to Melbourne or has been in close contact with someone who has been to Melbourne (Chadstone shopping centre), we now have 3 active cases here in our regional Vict city.

Did they self-isolate - **** no, they visited about 4 eateries, went shopping at a number of places including Bunnings, got their hair cut, kept working at a retail outlet for at least 2 weeks

**** me, are people really that stupid????? Be ready for a big outbreak here - our rural community is about hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons

To be fair, the articles I read (one of them here) state that the person (from Melbourne) had a work permit to travel into regional vic and was a contact of a member of the Chadstone cluster but did not know he was infected (presumably had no symptoms). Bit hard to self-isolate when you don't know you've been exposed to the virus and are not showing any symptoms.

What does concern me with their actions tho, is that they appear to not have acted in a COVID-safe way (infecting people in both Kilmore and Shepparton), visited at least three different towns (Kilmore, Benalla and Shepparton) and appears to have taken the opportunity to do some personal shopping whilst in those locations.

High risk locations in Shepparton
Map Location Exposure period
1 Bombshell Hairdressing, Fryers Street 07/10/2020, 9.30am-10.30am
2 Central Tyre Service, Welsford Street Wednesday 30 September 2020 to Tuesday 13 October 2020
3 Thai Orchid Restaurant, Nixon Street 07/10/2020, 7.00pm-8.30pm
4 Bunnings Warehouse, Midland Highway 02/10/2020
5 McDonalds Shepparton North 03/10/2020
6 Lemon Tree Café, Fryers Street Shepparton
7 Shepparton Market Place Medical Centre, Midland Highway 8/10/2020
8 Mooroopna Golf Club Members Bar 4/10/2020 and 11/10/2020

But the biggest concern is that they didn't disclose that they had been to other towns other than Kilmore until yesterday! Bloody hard for authorities to contact trace if the person doesn't disclose where they've been.

Having said all that, Trev, I appreciate that none of that makes the potential impact upon you and your family any easier. Hope it all goes well for you.

[Trevor 57]

Yep spot on Russell, it is the Chadstone stream

It appears to be 3 members of one family, one of whom went back to work AFTER being tested by a local Doctor - FFS, don't these people get it?

Who is going to pay the financial losses of the businesses they attended? Let alone the trauma inflicted on the local community

[Trevor 57]

It appears that the Shepparton outbreak is a result of the person who went to Kilmore then Benalla, but didn't tell the authorities that they came to Shepparton too

I get the feeling it was a delivery driver of some sort - not sure. But I reckon the Police are going to fine him for not declaring that he had been to Shepp as well.

The Government is saying that if the declared Shepp at the same time as Kilmore they would have handled it like Kilmore and it would have been controlled

And now it appears my wife has had contact with a person who has been to one of those locations (restaurant) on that particular day FFS!!!!

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 13th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

30 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR stays at 3.292% while active cases increase to 1,381. NSW recorded 13; WA recorded 7 cases, SA recorded 1, with the balance in Victoria. It should be noted that test numbers were well down yesterday.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average (excluding today) is now back up to 11.43 with metro falling to 9.6 (14 unknown) and regional up to 0.6 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 7 new cases for the last 24 hours.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.334% and active cases drop to 39.

The UK had 17,234 new cases yesterday, their 2nd highest recorded. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 143 deaths.

Just over 46.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 323 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.737% and active cases drop to 32.8% with the raw numbers falling but still over 2.6M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 120M, India 88M, UK 28M, Mexico 2M and Spain 14M tests;
Sweden passes 100k cases;
Asia passes 12M cases;

Albania (182); Bulgaria (785); Libya (1,164); the UAE (1,315); Jordan (2,054); Canada (4,042); the Netherlands (7,378) and Russia (13,866) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 13th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

30 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR stays at 3.292% while active cases increase to 1,381. NSW recorded 13; WA recorded 7 cases, SA recorded 1, with the balance in Victoria. It should be noted that test numbers were well down yesterday.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average (excluding today) is now back up to 11.43 with metro falling to 9.6 (14 unknown) and regional up to 0.6 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 7 new cases for the last 24 hours.

1 new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.334% and active cases drop to 39.

The UK had 17,234 new cases yesterday, their 2nd highest recorded. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 143 deaths.

Just over 46.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 323 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.737% and active cases drop to 32.8% with the raw numbers falling but still over 2.6M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 120M, India 88M, UK 28M, Mexico 2M and Spain 14M tests;
Sweden passes 100k cases;
Asia passes 12M cases;

Albania (182); Bulgaria (785); Libya (1,164); the UAE (1,315); Jordan (2,054); Canada (4,042); the Netherlands (7,378) and Russia (13,866) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Out of interest, Russ, do you have the worldwide new cases figure? I'm assuming it's less than the previously reported daily highs, but would be interested to see how it is tracking.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Out of interest, Russ, do you have the worldwide new cases figure? I'm assuming it's less than the previously reported daily highs, but would be interested to see how it is tracking.

Here are the daily new cases since April 1st. It's a bit spiky due to lower weekend reporting but you get the picture.

[cheap]

Is C19 now an endemic disease?

[CoupeKing]

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

If you that worried lock yourself in your house until they find a vaccine, getting sick of whingers who think they know more than what is actually happening.
You should know we don't live in a perfect world.

nice! You must be a millennial?

Did you see the bit where I said my wife (who is immune suppressed) has been in contact (more than once) with one of the people at a cafe when that infected piece of **** was there?

But you don't care coz you are invincible and don't give a **** about those who are not invincible. I feel very sad that we are leaving the world to people like you

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

nice! You must be a millennial?

Did you see the bit where I said my wife (who is immune suppressed) has been in contact (more than once) with one of the people at a cafe when that infected piece of **** was there?

But you don't care coz you are invincible and don't give a **** about those who are not invincible. I feel very sad that we are leaving the world to people like you

Trevor I'm probably older than you and I'm living with health issues but I blame the Victorian government for the mishandling of this virus in which they caused the second wave.
You probably have not experienced the long lock down in Melbourne which I am still experiencing and believe me this has big implications with peoples mental health.
We all know you will get the odd person who won't play by the rules which is fact of life.
In times like these I think people who are in their senior years or with health issues should be restricting their social activities as much as possible until a vaccine or viable treatment comes available, if you or others want to venture out and take the risk then don't complain.

[tweeked]

double post

[tweeked]

I would say that statement should be “ Imagine if people used the tracking app provided “ It’s there, it’s easy to use, but too hard for most.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I would say that statement should be “ Imagine if people used the tracking app provided “ It’s there, it’s easy to use, but too hard for most.

If you develop a product that has no users, you can't point the finger at the market. As sad as it is, it all came down to trust. $72m down the drain. Isn't that amazing. Citizens can't trust their own government to use an app that could help save their lives.

Originally Posted by Tickford.

You might be correct. Some secret leaked news going around is saying Donald Trump had died of COVID on the 8th of October, and the person you see now, is his exact double!

Ehhhhh that is some extreme conspiracy there......but I must admit, some of the stuff going around does get you pondering. But that is how conspiracies start, there is an ounce of reality to make it seem believable. It can't be that hard to confirm, DNA, voice analysis, imaging etc. So nup, I don't believe it. But I do think he is pumped up full of something that we haven't been told about.

Vote of no confidence failed (miserably) overnight - good, go back to focusing on the response.

SOE extended until April - Sounds ok?

Omnibus bill passed - don't know a lot about this, but have heard quite a bit of noise about the powers to forcefully detain infected people if they flout isolation rules. Apparently this has been watered down. Not sure where I sit with this. Surely there has to be ramifications if you know you are infected and choose to go spread it? Is it your human rights to go spread a high infectious disease that has killed over 1m people worldwide? mmmmmm

Sounds like we are going to get some social restrictions easing this weekend - good. But businesses might have to wait a bit longer -

[prydey]

Originally Posted by tweeked

I would say that statement should be “ Imagine if people used the tracking app provided “ It’s there, it’s easy to use, but too hard for most.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

amazing, isn't it, no-one seems to be talking about the all being COVID app, I was talking to my wife about it last night. Might as well delete it off our phones

It never suited everybody. I had it on my phone but my phone is old and having to have Bluetooth on at all times and the app working meant battery life was severely reduced.

My kids are both type 1 diabetic. Bluetooth interferes with their insulin pumps and blood sugar testing equipment.

Everyone's situation is different.

I also live in a state where it isn't really required. S.A.is basically back to normal.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by prydey

It never suited everybody. I had it on my phone but my phone is old and having to have Bluetooth on at all times and the app working meant battery life was severely reduced.

My kids are both type 1 diabetic. Bluetooth interferes with their insulin pumps and blood sugar testing equipment.

Everyone's situation is different.

I also live in a state where it isn't really required. S.A.is basically back to normal.

A poorly thought out app, a waste of taxpayers money. Does the app diagnose positive people ? or why then are those that have been diagnosed and show on the app walking around (are they not quarantined).

[PHANTMXR6]

Originally Posted by prydey

It never suited everybody. I had it on my phone but my phone is old and having to have Bluetooth on at all times and the app working meant battery life was severely reduced.

My kids are both type 1 diabetic. Bluetooth interferes with their insulin pumps and blood sugar testing equipment.

Everyone's situation is different.

I also live in a state where it isn't really required. S.A.is basically back to normal.

Except you can’t stand up and drink a beer yet

[prydey]

Originally Posted by PHANTMXR6

Except you can’t stand up and drink a beer yet

Trust a territorian to chime in

[T3rminator]

Something that doesn't get talked about.... Why?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-for-covid-19

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 14th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

20 new cases for Australia and 3 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.307% while active cases increase to 1,392. NSW recorded 14; WA recorded 1 case, SA recorded 3 with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average (excluding today) is now back down to 11.0 with metro falling to 8.9 (15 unknown) and regional still at 0.6 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 7 new cases for the last 24 hours.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.334% and active cases rise to 40.

The UK had a new record high 19,724 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 137 deaths.

Just under 52k new cases in the USA yesterday and 855 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.730% and active cases drop to 32.7% with the raw numbers rising and still over 2.6M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases set a new daily high of 378,910 (14/10);
The USA completes 121M, India 90M and Saudi Arabia 7M tests;
Europe recorded a new daily case high of 139,674;

Albania (203);
Bosnia (482);
Slovenia (707);
Croatia (748);
Bulgaria (819);
Armenia (1,058) - the previous high on 26/6
Moldova (1,149);
Austria (1,346) - the previous high on 26/3;
the UAE (1,431);
Portugal (2,072);
Jordan (2,423);
Switzerland (2,823);
Romania (4,016);
Iran (4,830);
Poland (6,526);
Italy (7,332) - the previous high on 27/3;
Czechia (9.543);
Russia (14,231) and;
the United Kingdom (19,724) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[DJR-351]

Trans-Tasman bubble: Australia releases new rules for Kiwi travellers

Siobhan Downes
13:41, Oct 15 2020

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/...iwi-travellers

One day out from the limited trans-Tasman bubble, Australia has released its requirements for Kiwi travellers.

From Friday, passengers from New Zealand will be able to travel to New South Wales and the Northern Territory without having to quarantine on arrival, as the first stage of what has been dubbed the “safe travel zone” between New Zealand and Australia.

Since March, Australia’s borders have been closed to all except Australian citizens, residents and immediate family members of citizens and residents. Non-citizens and non-residents have had to apply for an exemption to be able to enter the country.

But on Thursday, Australia’s Department of Home Affairs published an update on its website which confirmed New Zealanders travelling under the safe travel zone arrangement will be automatically exempt from Australia’s travel restrictions.

The website states people can travel from New Zealand to Australia, quarantine-free, if they have been in New Zealand for 14 days or more and not been in a designated “hotspot”.

A Covid-19 hotspot is defined as a place with a rolling three-day average of three cases a day. There are currently no hotspots in New Zealand.

These passengers must travel to Australia on a “quarantine-free flight”, which only carries those who meet the requirements.

“You do not need to be a New Zealand citizen to travel to Australia quarantine-free if you meet the above criteria, but you will need a valid visa to enter Australia,” the website says.

“New Zealand citizens do not need to apply for a visa before coming to Australia.”

The arrangement is currently limited to travel to New South Wales and the Northern Territory, but other states and territories may be added at a later date.

According to the website, before travelling to Australia, passengers must print and compete a Covid-19 declaration form and present it at check-in at the airport.

If passengers don’t present this form, they may not be able to board their flight, the website states.

On arrival in Australia, there will be green and red zones at the airport to separate passengers arriving on “quarantine-free” flights and those who must complete 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

“If you travel on a quarantine-free flight, you will be guided through the green zone to complete all border clearance processes in the airport of arrival in Australia,” the website says.

Air New Zealand chief executive officer Greg Foran said in a statement the airline has introduced “quarantine” and “quarantine-free” flights to Australia in line with the safe travel zone requirements.

“The quarantine-free flights will be for travellers originating from New Zealand who are flying from Auckland to Sydney and are not required to quarantine on arrival in Australia,” he said.

“Quarantine flights will be open to passengers who do not meet the safe travel zone criteria and will be required to quarantine on arrival in Australia.”

Air New Zealand is currently operating eight return flights between Auckland and Sydney per week and would look to operate two quarantine flights per week, while the remaining flights will be quarantine-free.

Between October 16 and 24, the airline would operate three quarantine flights – on October 17, 22 and 24 – and all other flights would be quarantine-free. On October 22, the airline would operate both a quarantine-free and a quarantine flight.

The airline said it was working through flights from October 25.

Passengers planning to travel interstate beyond New South Wales would need to ensure they have checked state and territory travel restrictions and have the appropriate exemptions and approvals to travel.

Customers would not be able to book onwards domestic flights via Air New Zealand due to Australian state restrictions.

The safe travel zone is currently only one-way, with passengers returning to New Zealand from Australia still having to complete 14 days of managed isolation on their return.

[T3rminator]

Interesting. How many airports does NT have? So we are going to potentially have overseas arrivals mixing with NZ travellers in NT airport. Sure hope they have their flights appropriately scheduled. Then mix with nsw who are currently experiencing some unknown cases. Hmmmm. Will be interesting to see how many actually come.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interesting. How many airports does NT have? So we are going to potentially have overseas arrivals mixing with NZ travellers in NT airport. Sure hope they have their flights appropriately scheduled. Then mix with nsw who are currently experiencing some unknown cases. Hmmmm. Will be interesting to see how many actually come.

Darwin is the only airport that handles international flights, they have othe regional airports such as Gove but these only handle domestic and local flights...I gather you haven't been to Darwin Airport lately?? trust me no one gets mixed up, one plane at a time is dealt with, they don't mix the arrivals
area with multiple flights, especially with international which is completely separate and at the very most one a day......remember there is F all flights at the moment and this NZ thing will be lucky to have 2 or 3 extra flights a week at the most, and most of them will be to Sydney. Same same when flying into Brisbane from Darwin, you do not mix with anyone until you have been processed, the whole area is cordoned of and you don't see anyone except the Police, ABF, ADF and SES until cleared to leave, and only then do you enter the general population areas..

I'll be back in Darwin on Monday, i'll give you an update eh

[T3rminator]

2 new cases in Vic. Looking at Vic's original target review date, 26th Oct, we may have actually met the "impossible" target.

Its interesting though, I am seeing less compliance in the last couple of weeks. People are gathering at parks, groups are playing cricket at the nets, all with masks drawn down. Roads closer to the CBD are very busy.

Originally Posted by DJR-351

I gather you haven't been to Darwin Airport lately?? trust me no one gets mixed up, one plane at a time is dealt with, they don't mix the arrivals

Nah, never been . Hopefully they keep service staff, like cleaners, well separated too. It is really kicking off again in Europe, London went from low risk to high risk tier pretty much overnight. News there is reporting that hospitals are getting filled up (although my NHS mate is saying its all BS, and hospitals are "empty"?). Its almost certain some arrivals will be positive though.

[Trevor 57]

Isn't the Darwin airport part of the Military Base

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Isn't the Darwin airport part of the Military Base

Yep, separated by the main runway, military one side and civilian on the other....

[PHANTMXR6]

Yep, joint user airfield.
I work on the Defence side of the runway.
Been quiet here for a while...