Covid 19 -

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I got to play devils advocate.
Isn't your health file confidential?
I do not have the right to inspect any element of anyone's health file to see what conditions or medications they might be taking.
For example would I have the right to ask someone if they were HIV?
How is a vaccination not under the medical file and the laws that keep your medical information private.

Do you have children? Because they must be vaccinated for them to go to child care or school. And you must prove it. Privacy doesn't come into it.

[CoupeKing]

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

You can Blame whoever you want, Not that It will do you any Good..!!

GOVCO has Indemnified the Drug Companies....

[Citroënbender]

Finally the ABC has entertained a voice that doesn’t mesh with its short-term narrative or the typical current line from various governments here.

…Professor McBryde said Sydney could expect "a small number of cases, and by small, I mean a couple of hundred a day … for another couple of months".

Source

Even optimistic modelling of current NSW infection rates vs time suggests the lockdown for metropolitan Sydney will extend appreciably beyond August if <5 cases/day is a threshold value. It does look like Wollongong is close to deserving excision from the Sydney constraints.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

Name a vaccine that has had mass long term side effects? There's been millions of doses given out for covid and still nothing.

You should be more worried about the long term side effects of catching covid, which there is plenty of proof already.

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

What about in months or years time you still have all your friends and relatives alive, who are go go to thank?

Which one is more likely? Bet you an organic apple it is this one.

[HIPO]

Originally Posted by tweeked

What about in months or years time you still have all your friends and relatives alive, who are go go to thank?

Which one is more likely? Bet you an organic apple it is this one.

Yep all just a bet ATM.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

I will blame myself.

Much the same as if I die from a heart attack I can't blame KFC or McDonald's.

Much the same as if I die from lung cancer I can't blame the cigarette companies.

Life is a gamble. You win some, you lose some.


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[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

What about in months or years time you suffer from side effects, who are go go to blame?

It won't matter who you bame, they will not accept it.

Not just vaccine but other meds, Thalidomide comes to mind.

Atomic bomb testing in South Australia in the 50's, the side effects go on for multiple generations.

Agent Orange used in Vietnam, you could fill a book with dodgy untested and dangerous meds!

If scientists do not produce then the funding stops, be it public or private.

I once upon a time believed everyone was as honest and ethical as me, but I was wrong, that mighty dollar sign is a very convincing argument to a struggling start up med company, folk like me work for our money, mostly PAYE, but there is a parallel world that only the scammers and schemers inhabit, always looking for easy money, worst part is, they think it's OK, that's morally and ethically of course.
And these are only words in a dictionary to them, not an obligation to self!


Cheers Mr B

[CyberWasp]

Yes and I see what you are saying.
Points taken.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT August 2nd 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

229 new cases for Australia and 1 death so the CMR is 2.673%.

4 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.904%.

The UK had a lower 21,687 cases yesterday and lower 24 deaths for a CMR of 2.198%.

A higher 91,082 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 330 deaths sees CMR at 1.787%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 199M, the last 1M in 2 days;

Mauritius (480);
Botswana (8,530) - although they only report weekly; and
Iran (37,189)
... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Malta drops below.

[FTE217]

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Name a vaccine that has had mass long term side effects? There's been millions of doses given out for covid and still nothing.

You should be more worried about the long term side effects of catching covid, which there is plenty of proof already.

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.


Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html



And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

For anyone interested in the Doherty Institute's Covid-19 modelling provided to the Government last week, a copy is available here.

Courtesy of the ABC.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.

Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html

And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

The technology isn't new. It's been around for many years.

MYTH: Researchers rushed the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, so its effectiveness and safety cannot be trusted.
FACT: Studies found that the two initial vaccines are both about 95% effective — and reported no serious or life-threatening side effects. There are many reasons why the COVID-19 vaccines could be developed so quickly. Here are just a few:

• The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic.
• China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines.
• The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.
• Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.
• Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.
• Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research.
• Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated.
• Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.

MYTH: The messenger RNA technology used to make the COVID-19 vaccine is brand new.
FACT: The mRNA technology behind the new coronavirus vaccines has been in development for almost two decades. Vaccine makers created the technology to help them respond quickly to a new pandemic illness, such as COVID-19.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...th-versus-fact

[Mont5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Pfizer has a long history of making dodgy medications.

The company has also faced thousands of lawsuits for medical injuries caused by their medications including drugs such as Bextra, Celebrex, Chantix, Effexor, Zoloft, Prempro, Depo-testosterone, and Lipitor. Many of these lawsuits have been resolved or settled, however some remain in court systems.


Heart scans of people vaxxed with the pfizer jab are showing heart enlargement. But that's being kept pretty hush/hush. Media won't report on it of course. Blood clots from the AZ are supposedly a normal occurrence, everyone gets tiny clotting from it, but only rarely does it clot enough to cause sickness or death. What are the long term effects of the micro-clotting on your heart? No one knows at this point.



https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ocarditis.html



And that is the whole point. It hasn't been around long enough to be able to see the medium to long term effects from it.

so which will you be having?

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by FTE217

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

See my Thoracic surgeon and cancer specialist tomorrow, my intention is to ask why I can't get Pfizer vaccine, my GP can't get it, I have enquired at my local hospital too, was there last week, again no!

I start my chemo at my local hospital on 12th August so will be talking to them, am not sure why they can't do it, even offered to pay for it, still no, I'm 68 years old and from what I gather I'm finished and they know that, I was given blood thinners in hospital every 4 hours after my lung removal so why not give me AZ then?....and I did ask?
They know I am susceptible to blood clots so surely they are aware that Pfizer is less likely to clot my blood!....


Cheers Mr B

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

See my Thoracic surgeon and cancer specialist tomorrow, my intention is to ask why I can't get Pfizer vaccine, my GP can't get it, I have enquired at my local hospital too, was there last week, again no!

I start my chemo at my local hospital on 12th August so will be talking to them, am not sure why they can't do it, even offered to pay for it, still no, I'm 68 years old and from what I gather I'm finished and they know that, I was given blood thinners in hospital every 4 hours after my lung removal so why not give me AZ then?....and I did ask?
They know I am susceptible to blood clots so surely they are aware that Pfizer is less likely to clot my blood!....


Cheers Mr B

Ah cool mate, I understand bit more now not that I'm an expert mind you.
Sorry about your outcome re the lung wish you the best.

My brother has been suffering from Pulmonary Edema @ 58yrs.
Diagnosed pre covid Dec 19, fluid in the lungs (he's fit as a mallee bull non smoker hardly a drink and fitness freak) hospitilised for weeks and has had fluid drained countless times and huge concerns re clotting.
In the meantime he was also on blood thinners, after much going back and forth with specialists last few months the only way he was going to get the jab was being weened off the blood thinners FYI.......
and Pfizer was the only one recommended.
He had his jab just last week.
Follow up about the thinners mate, I'd say thats the big question.
Good luck !

[Citroënbender]

My neighbour (‘90s) got Pfizered at one of the drop-in clinics set up for First Nations and rough sleepers in the Woolloomooloo area, she has connections by family to Pitjantjatjara but is of bog-Irish stock herself. Noone had a problem with her being there. Might be something similar going on in Perth?

[cheap]

This is disturbing (watch with caution), but surely the Qld cops have got some common sense and respect for people?

https://twitter.com/resist_03/status...930830851?s=10

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by FTE217

slowsnakes post doesn't add up from what I know whats occuring over here re aged persons and vaccine.
One aged relo couple having had consultation with their GP considering their health issues got the go ahead for a Pfizer shot.
Many have done similar here.
Another relo couple in their 70's are getting Pfizer from their pharmacist once in stock soon.

I'd be following up more IF I was that driven and convinced only X will satisfy me.

If you are over 60 then no Pfizer for you, I know plenty of people being refused because of their age.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by DoubleTrouble

If you are over 60 then no Pfizer for you, I know plenty of people being refused because of their age.

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

[DoubleTrouble]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

Oh there is exemptions for medical reasons but for others most will be refused.

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Total Rubbish!...........I know of plenty of people OVER 60 that due to medical reasons have received Pfizer, my mother for one, your GP says Pfizer only then Pfizer it is!

WA is different to other States and Territories, the medical system here is a bloody disgrace, my GP is a brilliant general practitioner and he straight up said he cant!
He knows how bloody crook I am too, but he said when you go to the local hospital ask, beg, plead and they will say no, well they said NO.....

Not sure why one or two doses of vaccine can't be put aside at each GP's rooms for use at their discretion?
Who is it going to hurt, really, who is it going to hurt


Cheers Billy.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

WA is different to other States and Territories, the medical system here is a bloody disgrace, my GP is a brilliant general practitioner and he straight up said he cant!
He knows how bloody crook I am too, but he said when you go to the local hospital ask, beg, plead and they will say no, well they said NO.....

Not sure why one or two doses of vaccine can't be put aside at each GP's rooms for use at their discretion?
Who is it going to hurt, really, who is it going to hurt


Cheers Billy.

My mother's 81 and lives in Hillarys WA, I'm from WA.....

[galaxy xr8]

I find it somewhat chronicle that people are so concerned and see the Covid vaccines as a conspiracy and make their thoughts on it so vocal but yet can easily pick any food related item from either a local supermarket or even take away outlet to which they probably do either daily or weekly and have done so for years on end !!!! without gaining an understanding of what they are actually consuming in said food ??.

You only have to look at modified oil's such as the so called canola oil, anyway we all have our beliefs on how the modern day food/manufacturing process is or isn't causing issues such as obesity/cancer/heart and kidney/etc etc.. but these issues have been going on for years and no one has ever blinked an eye or been concerned with what they put in their own mouths. But want to protest to the ninth degree about a so called vaccine now ?.

What a crazy world we live in.

[CyberWasp]

Novavax is the Vaccine to wait for. It is not far away now.
I will be 1st in line when it is available.

[FTE217]

This is another issue brought to hand re covid.
One State goes one way the other opposite re distribution of vaccine and to who depending the circumstances, more so how far does your GP go for you as we've seen the recent posting.

Me for example (young just over 60) prior to taking the plunge getting the jab discussed with my GP will I won't and can I have Pfizer.
I have a minor medical condition that he quoted, in your case I could arrange you having it now (my age grp was under the essential workers and 70 or 80yr olds at time), this was months ago before my age group was opened AND he could have put me on Pfizer.
I thought to sit back at that stage just to see how people were reacting, my parents thankfully still with me had theirs AZ actually and had NO issues.
So by early June I went ahead and actually had AZ for I'm not overly fussed TBH for overall I'm pretty fit for my age and hardly recall even when I get a cold/flu.
I had NO after effects but for the usual light soreness in my shoulder from a needle punching through my skin.

Then I hear other people got arranged having Pfizer and under aged, then the following storey I mentioned re my Bro.
I have heard many times here in Sydney people I know got Pfizer, I suppose they have a willing GP.
So it baffles me re the WA mention of their Health system yet DJR-351 de bunked that.
Yes Doubletrouble there is excemptions But seem to be a hell of alot of them.
I just think it depends who your dealing with, some here have called GP after GP.

Another eg re demand and supply, my eldest son and fiance the week before last (both just under 30) went to book, my son GP up the road said can't get in for weeks, fiance calls her GP 10mins down the road, no prob can book you in from tomorrow, oh can my fiance come as well, yes no prob, son obviously got drilled in more about his health history making sure as they have to, jabs done.

Its all over the shop - this is what is so frustrating for all.

Re the vaccine viles, I think I read or heard somewhere a vile has up to 7jabs ? I can't recall.
Maybe you guys are quoting the same storey ?
We had a Sydney nurse get strung up and sacked for she posted on SM or something similar left overs of Pzifer was binned if not used.
So let the cat out of bag, and as a good person would prior had called up family members for the jab not to waste it.
Good on her but typical medical procedure and protocals the company sacked her, private crowd.
It got on talkback 2wks ago, they are grilling it and supporting her, great stuff.
Holding the company responsible and lookign to get her re instated.

Crazy times.

Watching on the news Heathrow Airport arrivals from the USA those being fully jabbed and not having to isolate.
Come on, we have screwed this up big time, not just the Feds but the SM idiots, those scare mongers re AZ, UK has AZ as their no1 vaccine by the way.
The idiot in Qld Health Young !
The media what a pack of A holes.
Our country has become a pack of idiots.

[Trevor 57]

Read this on another forum, quite appropriate I think

Below are their findings – don’t shoot the messenger

I have been doing some reading on the psychological characteristics of people susceptible to conspiracy theories, interesting reading, I had a feeling there would be common characteristics and this certainly seems to be the case.

For those who are would like to read more here is a link to the article I am quoting https://www.technologynetworks.com/n...eorists-345553

There's an enormous amount of reading material available, most of it echoing similar sentiments.

It's interesting that in times of crisis (Covid 19, US election) people are more likely to embrace conspiracy theories.

"Conspiracy theorists typically:
• tend to have a little less education.
• more often live in societies that have less successful democracies, which influences trust in others and in the authorities.
• belong to groups that feel they should have more power and influence.
• belong to special political organizations or religious groups a little more often.
• more often use intuition - their "gut feeling" - when making decisions.
• see connections more often than most people do, also where such connections do not exist, and they are more likely to see intention as the cause of events.
• are a little more narcissistic and paranoid than others.
• more often obtain their information from social media."

[slowsnake]

Hello Trev 57,
would of quoted your post but I am not computer savvy, in fact I am a library man, index, file and research, but I use this tablet out of necessity for my daily affairs, ie, doctors apps, talking to family etc. So I utilise this type of communication because it's 4:30 am and I have a heater in front of me!

The link you put up, clicked on and I have read it before, but on another website! I only got as far as the first 6 paragraphs and remembered why I only got past the first 6 paragraphs the first time.

What I read is not what you pasted here!..
What we both read and I suppose comprehended was the same wording but 2 different views, we both viewed the same words but interpreted them in a different manner, I did not get as far as your list you posted, I put it down to nonsense on top of nonsense.

I for one am not into conspiracy theories, but watched a beaut movie with Mel Gibson about them, could of been Pelican Brief, not sure, but for entertainment purposes only.
We humans are all and every one of us a conspiracy theory, we only need a different point of view to another, who then thinks we conspire to debunk their viewpoint, and collect more thinkers similar to them to back their point!

This is how political parties and local and shire councils operate, you know the old caveman stuff " my tribe is bigger than your tribe " well that's how conspiracy theories work, not based on fact, but based on sheer numbers!


Cheers Billy