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No journo actually ran an auto R spec down the strip, so we don't have any figures to go by, but FPV reckoned it would potentially run a quicker time than the manual would. They claimed 4.5 0-100 for the manual.
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Until it's proven otherwise. Facts are facts, unsubstantiated claims mean nothing.
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Cue the Holden whingers saying the R-Spec doesn't have park assist or an electronic hand brake so the GTS is a far superior car.
But not everyone cares about that kind of materialistic nonsense. Some of us just want to go fast. And thats what the R-Spec does. Why else would someone buy an SC V8?
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Well you guys have made my day....im sick of standing up for a superior ford or Fpv product based on facts and figures.......and just getting swamped with negative attitudes(with no facts).
To add to this amazing drama....I flicked through the latest GTS test in wheels mag(i think)......and guess what......over 800 Kim's or something they said they had this amazing blistering mind blowing fastest euro flogging Sedan for.......including Phillip island......and guess what........Still NO TIMES. I swear hsv is paying them all off till its in customers hands because they know its not a FPV killer(read into that what you will) but thats how ill word it. Sounds ridiculous hey. And to santoau......I have a series 1 g6et and my first encounter with an Ssv vf ended with him in my rear view mirror......well a car length at least |
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Not saying the R Spec is a bad car but all you have to do is look at the spec sheet to know which car is superior
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These days it is very easy to record decent footage and upload videos, anyone can do it.
HSV should post a vid of the GTS ACTUALLY doing their claimed 4.4 0-100 time & 12.3 1/4 mile. Otherwise it looking hard to believe.
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You don't believe their blatantly inaccurate power and performance claims, but you'd believe a video they released?
Why would they bother when the journo's do it for them anyway? I wouldn't trust a 1/4, 0-100 video they released.
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HSV will need to look at improving rear grip before their halo car will get under 4.5sec.
The Camaro ZL1 has 305 section tyres vs the 275's on the GTS. The car has more than enough power to run low 12's........ these days, it's grip that wins the race.
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^ good point. It would need to be unedited showing the full run from start to finish.
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PCOTY will be interesting. A range of performance cars tested in the same conditions and on the same tracks.
Circuit one will be interesting
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I saw a VF in the flesh for the first time today. A white SS-V, I thought it looked pretty good from the front, better than a VE, pretty good from the side.... but oh man it's butt ugly from behind. I thought it looked pretty good in the official pics too but it's just a design failure if I ever saw one from behind. Almost worse than the AU was on release (got to Admit the AU looks better than a VT now.. (oddly))
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04-09-2013, 07:12 AM | #14 | ||
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Geez you guys are a funny bunch... GTS hasn't even been delivered yet. Once it's delivered, and proper tests have been done, then we'll all see.
It's more than just auto parking and blind spot etc, it has a heap of strengthened parts, extra cooling, massive brakes, fantastic suspension, lots of R&D went into this car. There's a doco on Speed (foxtel) tonight at 7:30 about the GTS build, i'll be watching it with interest. I'm 99% sure my next car is going to be a GT (i've always wanted one, well before this new GTS was mentioned), but i'm not so biased and worried about 0-100 times that i won't consider the GTS. The main reason i'm opting for the GT is price. If the GTS was closer to 80k, i'd have some more serious decisions to make! How will all you guys react if the GTS does manage a 4.4, or even faster? Let alone if it flogs our beloved GT around a track? I'm sure as hell not going to get as defensive as some of you lot, and hell i'll probably own one in the next few months! At the end of the day, who cares if it does exactly the same time as the R-Spec, or a tad slower, it's still a fantastic package. And, as for facts... It is currently the most powerful. FPV being understated or not, that's FPV's fault. Even if FPV didn't understate, the GT still isn't 430kw but probably 375kw. I'm tipping the GTS to nudge 340-350rwkw on the dyno, but time will tell. |
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348rwkw http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnMigxDYZc 357rwkw http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B68W1Furo_U 347rwkw http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jtBCL994ICY 370rwkw (Shelby GT500 kicked it's bum / 443rwkw!) http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yZBKBf8Zsjo
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They only managed to get 252rwkw from a stock 335 GT >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWI3b0ePnfo I've seen alot better results than that (I wouldn't trust that dyno) Infact the whole Dyno game is a bit of black magic IMO. As other have said, I think both the GT & GTS will be very close to each other in straight line performance. Either owner should be proud to own the fastest cars produced in Aus.
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There are several variants of LSA with different tunes. Anyone who thinks the GTS will make high 200rwkw needs a reality check. With that much torque, plus a blower I'm sure it will be 340-350rwkw. At worst, it will be close to the GT 335.
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& so it should be! With 430 kws, it should blow the 335 out of the water....
On the dyno & on the dragstrip! Seems to be having trouble with the latter though & probably why there is so much interest in the dyno figure for the GTS.
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Everyone - I repeat Everyone states dyno's are a tuning tool - the only way to prove the power you have is the black top dyno (1/4 mile)
No point having a 430kw badge if you can't "spank" one with a 335kw badge lol Again as HSV haven't let dyno figures out yet as they did with not letting the media post 0-100klms and 1/4 mile times out - there was a reason for the later as its not a FPV killing machine it was made out to be If I owned a FPV GT 335 I would be one very proud boy - what a weapon
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Anyone who's been around FPV and HSV for a while knows that no indepedent reviewer ever gets HSV claimed times, the reason being, its pretty hard to co-ordinate the talents of a 45kg race car driver, with the use of a super smooth clean dry dragstrip on a cold 2 degree day with a 60 knot tailwind running 100 octane fuel in the specially prepped press special car loaded with just enough fuel for the run...all at the same time |
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I believe when one press GT 335 was out there, it was sneakly thrown on a dyno. Ford didn't "allow" it to be dyno'd. Tell me, how many cars are thrown on a dyno before it's been even released? Go on, tell me. And once again, we seem to just concentrate on 0-100km/h and 1/4 mile times as if it's the only thing that matters. HSV didn't spend all of its R&D budget just so it could beat the GT 335 down the 1/4 mile. There is no doubt that the GTS will be a much better and complete performance car. I would hazard a guess that if you put both cars around a track that the GTS will handle better and be much quicker (and so it should be). tl;dr It's not all about drag times. |
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Out there in the real world when talking about FPV and HSV you talk about which car is faster - not which car has the complete package lol
If you blow the GTS 430kw off at the lights with your FPV 335kw or at the Drag Strip you will have a smile on your face from ear to ear - complete package won't even come into it - just saying And if you want to wait for the public to get hold of it and run better numbers here are some numbers to beat ;- AFF members 1/4 mile times Modified. BPT.............. 10.70 @ 131mph. Auto GS. M/T 26 x 10 Slicks RDP.............. 10.96 @ 127mph. Auto GS. Autotech....... 11.10 @ 129mph. Auto GT. KPM.............. 10.65 @ 129mph. Auto GS. RACEGT......... 11.63 @ 118mph. Auto GS. XFT.............. 11.70 @ ???mph. Auto GS. Modified (privately owned). anthGT335..... 11.31@122.95. Auto GT.MT ET2 265/40/18 Sutty............ 11.38 @ 122mph. Auto GT. Cygnet.......... 11.54 @ 121.9mph. Manual GT-P. Scottrod1...... 11.95 @ 116.23mph. Auto GT. Timtams......... 11.99 @ 121mph. Manual GT. Buttnekid....... 12.09 at 118.9mph. Auto GT-E. XRT-HOWSEE..12.09 @ 119mph. Auto GS. Tune & Filter xrglen........... 12.30 @ 118mph. Manual GS. Rusty62.........12.39 @ 113.7 mph Auto GT-P (Only mod air filter) Bloosted........ 12.60 @ 113mph. Auto GT. Unr33l........... 12.72 @ 110mph. Auto GS. Stock. 200sxs15....... 12.27 @ 115mph. Auto GT. Scottrod1.......12.39 @ 113.97mph. Auto GT. shonkymofo.....12.47 @ 113.37mph Auto GT HP-0351.... ....12.48 @ 113.54mph. Auto GT. RDP.............. 12.90 @ 109mph. Auto GS. HP-0351........ 12.92 @ 113.99mph. Manual GT. Rockape........ 13.40 @ 108mph. Manual GS. Auslandau .... 12.43 @ 116mph. Auto GT Thread with times here: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11328022
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25%? 10%? 5%? They are in the minority as well mate. Most owners don't care about "times". So it shouldn't even be in the discussion but it's like people need to find a reason for the GT to be better and they run with it. Both cars were never designed to run down the strip, so shouldn't we be comparing other aspects of the cars? How it handles? ride quality? features? quality of materials used? And if you bought a car soley because it can do the 1/4mile in 12.** then good for you but there's more to a car than that. I know which one ticks all the boxes. |
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So let me get this right. The GTS isn't slower down the 1/4 because it's hasn't even been delivered and no real driver has run them. But the GTS is absolutely quicker than a GT at everything else because the holden website says so, even though they've not been delivered, mostly due to its heated blindspot magneto aluminium brake cupholders.
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