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Old 02-04-2009, 11:52 AM   #1
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Default NEW Falcon & Territory Fuel Improvements

Ford is proud to announce that as of April 1, 2009 production, six speed automatic FG Falcon XT sedan will break into the single digit fuel economy figure with an outstanding rating of 9.9 L/100km*.

This will mean the fantastic new fuel economy of the FG Falcon XT sedan will be equal to a Toyota Camry 4 Cylinder automatic thereby offering six-cylinder
performance with 4-cylinder fuel efficiency.

The FG Falcon XT sedan is also exceptional in its CO2 emissions where it receives a rating of 5.5 out of 10 accreditation in the Australian Government's Green Vehicle Guide for reaching the category standard of 221-240g/km*.

Key contributors to the improved fuel efficiency on I6 petrol Falcon sedan models include a new, latest generation catalytic converter, a new engine calibration for improved cold start performance and a further optimised transmission calibration.

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Old 02-04-2009, 12:02 PM   #2
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Great news! The Falcon has always had great economy considering the power and size. I have seen evidence of 10.5-10.8l/100km mostly around town.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:02 PM   #3
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No Link yet, will be up sometime today I would say.
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I got the same email...

New figures

9.9 for XT, 10.1 for G6, G6E, XR6.. Must be fitted with 6 speed auto tho.
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Key contributors to the improved fuel efficiency on I6 petrol Falcon sedan models include a new, latest generation catalytic converter, a new engine calibration for improved cold start performance and a further optimised transmission calibration.
So do these changes constitute the Euro 4 changes? Considering that's what was said last year when the I6 announcement was made, all it would come down to was new catalyser tech and calibration changes...
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:59 PM   #7
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I assume this 6 speed auto is the ZF which has become optional on the base models.
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I assume this 6 speed auto is the ZF which has become optional on the base models.

According to the ford website it is an option.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:14 PM   #9
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When do they have to adopt the new fuel requirements where it will be seperate hwy and city economy advertised?

My BF2 XR6T gets 9L on the hwy and 18L around town for an average of 13.5L/100. The old system is very misleading (though it is a level playing field).

Still a very impressive result all the same for these FG's.
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This is fantastic. The so called experts call this engine "dated" , yet since the BA , fuel econ has improved from 11.5 to 9.9. Holden in the same time have only managed to get as low as 10.5. Remembering thats for a base Omega. Top of the line Holdens are still over he 11 mark. Remarkable for a "Modern" engine that cost squillions to make, yet the good old Falcon Six trounces it in every way.
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drove to melb and back last weekend - got 9.0lt flat for the whole weekend - and thats including a few squirts every now and then to ease the boredom. was quite happy


Normally around town - mostly peakhour its about 13-14lt/100 but i do have a much free-er flowing CAI and exhaust
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Note to ford - advertise the living crap out of it!!
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Note to ford - advertise the living crap out of it!!
Note from Ford Marketing - "Huh?"

Very good numbers for a large car and it should be shouted from every roof top.
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Only if they were on the emailing list....
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See the cars guide and drive should pick this up. That a 6cyl has the same ADR figure as the 4cyl Camry.
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This is great news.

Not necessarily enough to constitute Euro4 compliance without knowing the CO and NOx levels. CO2 on its own does not form part of the emissions compliance regualtions.

Further to the good news, is that Territory is going to benefit not only from these improvements, but also weight reduction!
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Old 02-04-2009, 05:01 PM   #17
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This is great news.

Not necessarily enough to constitute Euro4 compliance without knowing the CO and NOx levels. CO2 on its own does not form part of the emissions compliance regualtions.

Further to the good news, is that Territory is going to benefit not only from these improvements, but also weight reduction!
Ah but where did the weight saving come from? I'd like to see some more info re the technical nature of how these improvements were achieved. Don't get me wrong, i think its great but some of it is a bit strange.

For example, you get a big fuel economy gain (0.6 l/100) for RWD TX/TS territory, but 7 seaters only get a 0.2 gain (effectively same improvement as AWD versions). Has ford changed the design of the chassis in the rear somehow to delete strenghtening for 5 seat vehicles without the dicky seats???

I think 'transmission calibration' has a fair part to play here. You get a 0.2 l/100 improvement in ZF XT, but 0.1 for other models with ZF??? Sounds like they have changed the tunes for diff. models to favour economy more (XT) versus driveability, at least in the base tunes (not including sports mode etc.) Aurion has the same efficiency across all models for example....

Either way, while i'm sure falcon/territory will still be the best to drive in their segments, this just might be further proof of the fuel efficiency demands of modern society methinks. At least we didn't lose power, like our mates at Holden. they must be feeling great about now, all that work to make the alloytec decent, it still doesn't match FG, now this update and they look even more stupid..... At this rate a DI alloytec with 5/6 speed will have trouble matching FG fuel economy, if that isn't proof of how great the modern 4.0 I6 is the i don't know what is.
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....At least we didn't lose power, like our mates at Holden. they must be feeling great about now, all that work to make the alloytec decent, it still doesn't match FG, now this update and they look even more stupid..... At this rate a DI alloytec with 5/6 speed will have trouble matching FG fuel economy, if that isn't proof of how great the modern 4.0 I6 is the i don't know what is.
Not to mention Holden can't exactly increase prices too much to cover the higher cost of DI and A5/A6.
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:12 PM   #19
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:44 PM   #20
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This is great stuff, shows just how little fuel a big car can sip with the right technology.
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The falcon six shoud be knighted!
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in the real world i reakon it would get alot better than that my BFII with 4SPEED auto regulary get 9.7l
The big aussie six is no were dead yet it just keep gettn better...
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Do not underestimate how important this news is to the Falcon fleet purchaser. Most State and Local governments are now insisting on minimum greenhouse gas ratings before even considering the vehicle. For some fleet purchasers the minimum number has been in excess of 5 stars (thereby excluding the Falcon).

At 5.5 stars, the Falcon gets itself back on the shopping list.
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I've been gas bagging about the improvements in fuel economy from BA to BF for ages, good to see they're keeping up the good work.
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well done ford. Ford marketing???? it should be on the today show and the news tonight ... ford marketing....
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Old 03-04-2009, 10:14 AM   #26
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The new bloke in the marketing shoes at Ford should be on top of this, he is alot better than the previous managers.
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thats good news, and should MAYBE help sales ?

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All naturally-aspirated petrol Falcons continue to deliver a Commodore-matching 195kW of power, which falls short of the Aurion’s 200kW, plus a class-leading 391Nm of torque.
How can they really compare these motors, 5kw is nothing, in a big family car its usable torque you want:


Falcon:

195kW @ 6000rpm
391Nm @ 3250rpm

Aurion :
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