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Imagine being a sewerage tester. That'd be a **** of a job..........
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my son works for a waste water treatment org, they look after about 6 or 7 local sewerage plants. He has some interesting stories of the 'solids' that people flush, coz all 'solids' get filtered out before the waste goes into the ponds
They have been drug testing waste water for years, they even know which part of town has the highest usage.. And many regional town waste water, after treated, at times goes back into rivers, but no-one every talks about it - in fact where I live they claim they clean the river when the do it, the water is cleaner down stream than it is up stream when they test it |
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Lol drug testing sewerage. Canberra has been up there for a while.
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Got to love Trumpy. 'It's going away', and not long after that the US breaks their single day record with 77k+ cases.
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Victorian Opposition asks Legal Services Commissioner to investigate lawyers over hotel quarantine inquiry documents https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...wyers/12806222 |
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Not up to them - it's up to the inquiry as to whether they want to see them. On the plus side, O'Brien and his negativity has been the best thing for ensuring no change of Government in this State in the foreseeable future.
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So, in your mind, it was acceptable to attack the police (and their horses) because the looney fringe / protesters against anything feel a bit miffed about not being able to gather in large groups to drink their soy lattes? Assuming of course that any of them could actually afford one in the first place. They want to be thankful that I wasn't in charge of the countermeasures. No one has enjoyed the situation we find ourselves in. It's been tough both socially and economically and we are all looking forward to it ending or at least returning to something closer to normal but we wouldn't be even close to ending restrictions if the measures that have been taken so far hadn't been in place. I'm going to break my own T&C's here because I believe that the following needs to be said. So, here's a tip. You and your rabid looney mates can take your so-called civil liberties and move somewhere else where they might be more readily accepted. Like maybe one of the communist ruled nations or even somewhere with armed conflict so you can see first hand what deprivation of freedom is really about. Attitudes like yours make me ashamed to be Australian.
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Not everyone there was a looney. Boy settle down. Anytime someone has an alternate view in this thread the name calling & innuendos start.. A real Aussie doesnt just lay there while someones trying to get a boot on their neck. ..... The other responder ( with the irregular member ) aint worthy of a reply......... . |
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What are they after now? We have 25kms, unlimited exercise time, you can meet a friend to exercise etc. Tomorrow we may have further easing of restrictions. Other states that have had very few cases for a LONG time are only just beginning to open right up to everything. If we can get this to manageable state, we get Melb Cup, Boxing Day test and Christmas opened. And early next year we get Aus Open and F1. There is a lot at stake to get this right NOW. |
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He is so desperate to be elected and so desperate to make Andrews & Co look bad he will say anything, anything for a headline grab. He reminds me of the Opposition Leader in NZ who tried the same attack on Adern and look at how well that went for her People want to see bipartisanship in times like this, not attack dogs, but it seems that attack is all that side of politics can do and it seems to be worldwide |
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Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 23rd, 2020.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages. 18 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.289% while active cases rise to 1,410. NSW recorded 7 cases, WA 6, Queensland and SA 2 each with the only 1 in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is down to 5.57 with metro falling to 5.0 (10 unknown) and regional down to 0.2 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 7 new cases for the last 24 hours. 9 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.300% and active cases rise to 66. The UK had a lower 20,531 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 224 deaths. Just under 79k new cases in the USA yesterday and 973 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.635% and active cases at 32.1% with the raw numbers rising and still over 2.7M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Global cases pass 42M with the last 1M taking 3 days again; Global cases set a new daily high of 487,860; Europe set a new daily case high of 231,396 - almost 14k more than yesterday; France passes 1M cases; The USA completes 130M, India 100M, Russia 56M, UK 31M, Brazil 21M Germany 20M, the UAE 12M, Canada 9M, Romania 3M and Sweden 2M tests; Latvia (250) Albania (306) Lithuania (442) Serbia (579) North Macedonia (647) Denmark (859) Bosnia (1,179) Croatia (1,687) Georgia (1,759) Hungary (2,066) Armenia (2,474) Austria (2,571) Slovakia (2,581) Romania (5,028) Iran (6134) Switzerland (6,634) Ukraine (7,517) Netherlands (9,996) Germany (13,476) Poland (13,632) Czechia (15,258) Belgium (16,746) - 26.6% above the high yesterday Italy (19,143) - 19% above the high yesterday Russia (17,340) and France (42,032) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.
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The global case trend continues to worsen, with numbers nearing 0.5M per day:
... mostly fuelled by the case growth in Europe: We could pick almost any country in Europe as an example but here are a few of the worst performing countries: United Kingdom - four of the last 10 days over 20k cases / day, including a new record of 26,687: Poland - the last three days all mover 10k cases / day including a new record of 13,632 yesterday: Czechia - five of the last ten days over 10k cases / day including a new record 15,258 yesterday: Italy - seven of the last ten days over 10k cases / day including a new record 19,143 yesterday: France - four of the last ten days over 30k cases / day including a new record 42,032 yesterday: Germany - even the normally very organised Germans have had three of the last five days over 10k cases / day including a new record 13,476 yesterday: Netherlands - seven of the last ten days over 8k cases / day including a new record 9,996 yesterday:
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From a pretty neutral (centre?) media outlet.
The facts don't support claims of a Brett Sutton cover-up over emails https://www.theguardian.com/australi...up-over-emails |
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Let's put this another way.
If you are an adult living in the USA you have a 10.9 in 10,000 chance of dying from COVID19. On the face of it, they aren't bad odds and they are better than Belgium (11.4/10,000) and Peru (13.4/10,000) but worse than Italy (10/10,000), the UK (8.6/10,000) and even India 1.1/10,000). However, in Australia those odds are far better again at 0.5/10,000 which makes the USA 20x worse than Australia. Indeed, before the Victorian second wave mess, we were about line-ball with New Zealand where your chance of dying is 0.07/10,000 which is 7x better than where we are now but also 160x better than the USA. Victoria hasn't fared as well as the rest of the country with the odds of dying here (counting adults only) 1.66/10,000 which is 3.3x the National average and both the infection rate per 100k (413) and the CMR (4.02%) are worse than the National average of 152 and 3.3% respectively - bearing in mind that the National average is being dragged down by the Victorian numbers anyway. Even then, your chance of dying from COVID19 in the USA is 6.6x greater than Victoria. That got me thinking about the rest of Australia and the numbers are surprising. Victoria has had 74% of all Australian cases and 90.3% of all Australian deaths which shows just how much impact this 2nd wave has really had. Looking at the remainder of the country in isolation (pun not intended) the figures are much happier: 7,148 cases or 54.4 cases per 100k adults (NZ is 52.44); 88 deaths or 0.673 deaths per 100k adults (NZ is 0.682); and a CMR of 1.231% - even better than the 1.3% for New Zealand. Let's pause a moment to compare those case numbers with a few other countries: The USA has 4,184 cases per 100k which is 27x more than the Australian average, 10x more than Victoria and 76x more than the rest of Australia! The UK has 1,598 cases per 100k which is 10.4x more than the Australian average, 3.8x more than Victoria and 29x more than the rest of Australia. While we could argue that identified case numbers depend on the volume of testing, the number of deaths is a (largely) inescapable fact so if we look at deaths per 100k of total population we see that: Australia has 3.55 per 100k; Italy 61.29 (17.3x); Argentina 62.70 (17.6x); UK 65.65 (18.5x); Mexico 68.17 (19.2x); USA 69.26 (19.5x); Ecuador 71.0 (20x); Chile 72.42 (20.4x); Brazil 73.64 (20.7x); Spain 74.32 (20.9x) Bolivia 75.53 (21.3x); Belgium 91.35 (25.7x); and Peru 103.21 (29x). There are some (non-African) countries doing better than our 3.55: British Virgin island (N America) 3.308; Iceland (Europe) 3.224; Antigua (N America) 3.08; Pakistan (Asia) 3.04; Nepal (Asia) 2.845; Venezuela (S America) 2.669; Latvia (Europe) 2.651; Slovakia (Europe) 2.454; Barbados (N America) 2.436; Nicaragua (N America) 2.340; Cyprus (Europe) 2.071; Haiti (N America) 2.016; Yemen (Asia) 2.008; Myanmar (Asia) 1.908; Uzbekistan (Asia) 1.629; Uruguay (S America) 1.526; Syria (Asia) 1.509; Hong Kong (Asia) 1.401; Japan (Asia) 1.339; Cuba (N America) 1.130; S Korea (Asia) 0.887; Brunei (Asia) 0.864; Tajikistan (Asia) 0.849; Malaysia (Asia) 0.661; Curaçao (S America) 0.609; New Zealand (Oceania) 0.518; and Singapore (Asia) 0.479. .... although not many better than the 'rest of Australia excluding Victoria' 0.461) Fiji (Oceania) 0.223; Thailand (Asia) 0.085; PNG (Oceania) 0.082; Sri Lanka (Asia) 0.065; Vietnam (Asia) 0.036; and Taiwan (Asia) 0.029.
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Melbourne coronavirus restrictions announcement delayed by Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews after COVID-19 outbreak
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The same "journalist" who had before asked Andrews why he could not change the date of the Road Map to an earlier date, today asks why Andrews could not stick to the original date of the Road Map?
This bitch fight led by the PM against Andrews is a real comedy show. It's hilarious even. Divide and conquer tactics starting to work against the PM's mob. It's certainly working for me. And I never voted for Andrews to be Premier. But I will 100% vote for him if he runs against Morrison for PM! edit: I have, and urge anyone who would like, to please sign the petition below by the Australian Parliament. The media needs to be held to account. Quote:
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Interesting all the Right politicians, business leaders, industry leaders and some media demanding the reopening of Victoria. Will they put their hands up to take responsibility if Andrews opens early and we get a 3rd wave - HELL NO!!! they will run for cover. They just need to shut the **** up
Andrews did comment this morning about all these 'health experts' making comment - he said 'they are outside the tent', they have no idea what is going on inside the tent" or words to that effect - so he is also saying that they should shut the **** up |
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The reality is that we are actually a society where public opinion (and thus votes) are driven in whatever direction the relatively narrow media ownership chooses to drive it. It's been getting progressively worse these last two decades and I'm not all that sure that we are that far removed from the 'only tell what we want you to know' mantra of State owned media organisations with the only obvious differences being that (1) we don't actually always know who is pulling the strings and what their agenda is; and (2) the fringe elements are still allowed their say even if it to a tiny percentage of the population who are possibly certifiable anyway. Watch the 5 main news channels in Victoria tonight (7,9,10, ABC, SBS) and see what their slant will be on the Andrews postponement decision. In most cases their bias will be in the wording or the screen caption supporting the story. It's easy to do like this: Supportive (of which I don't reckon you'll hear much): "Andrew's puts health concerns above politics to defer announcement" Mildly supportive or uncertain: "Andrew's bold move to defer announcement" (replace bold with surprising etc.) - you could easily make it negative by changing bold to something less flattering. Mildly against: "No relief for Victorians as Andrew's defers announcement" Strongly against:"Victorians remain in lockdown as Andrew's defers announcement"
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I think he is handling these journo's rather well and answered the same stupid question several times over particularly from the idiot Rachel Baxeldale (from The Australian) who keeps banging on about the 25km travel limit that she is forced to endure.
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https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
Some interesting figures here on "excess mortality" (comparing total deaths to see if more people are actually dying) UK is interesting, I thought the new interpretation of a covid death was the reason for their massive shift in the death rate. In the first wave death form all causes was up over 100% (doubled), yet now with well over double the cases over a long period of time the overall death rate is only up 3%. Something doesn't stack up, these sort of numbers point to something massively different in the outcome of contracting the virus, why is the medical fraternity mute on this? Are they holding back to protect us again? Just like "masks don't help", are they worried that the population wont take the virus as seriously if the mention these figures? I think looking at these we can see the different way of counting deaths in the UK is not the reason for the massively lower numbers. It is just nowhere near as many people are dying from it.
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