Covid 19 -

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by blueoval

What is the difference with getting the ADF in and Marshall Law? Adding curfews and limits on everything just makes Vic sound like a police state now.

I tell you what though, if the intention is to bring down the economy while getting majority population compliance laced with fear, this is working to plan.

Thanks.
Comments like yours really help with my understanding, of how people are so stupid as to still be spreading the virus.

That's right, you've figured out their dastardly plan, there is no virus it's just a giant conspiracy (by Jewish Bankers) to take away our guns and our civil liberties.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Thanks.
Comments like yours really help with my understanding, of how people are so stupid as to still be spreading the virus.

That's right, you've figured out their dastardly plan, there is no virus it's just a giant conspiracy (by Jewish Bankers) to take away our guns and our civil liberties.

I never said there was no virus, but perhaps the virus isn't deadly as we are lead to believe. Not in comparison to other viruses out there with vaccines at the ready.

We never shut down the economy for the Flu did we and we have yearly vaccines with that. We just accepted X amount of people die each year and go about our merry way. But yet here we are!

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I never said there was no virus, but perhaps the virus isn't deadly as we are lead to believe. Not in comparison to other viruses out there with vaccines at the ready.

We never shut down the economy for the Flu did we and we have yearly vaccines with that. We just accepted X amount of people die each year and go about our merry way. But yet here we are!

Does the flu collapse the health system?

The countries with major outbreaks have had far more deaths this year than the same time last year.
So saying covid deaths are just substituting other usual deaths is not correct.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I never said there was no virus, but perhaps the virus isn't deadly as we are lead to believe.

I think the facts say otherwise but I'm never going to convince you, so I'm not going to bother trying.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I never said there was no virus, but perhaps the virus isn't deadly as we are lead to believe. Not in comparison to other viruses out there with vaccines at the ready.

We never shut down the economy for the Flu did we and we have yearly vaccines with that. We just accepted X amount of people die each year and go about our merry way. But yet here we are!

It really isn't that deadly at all, if you look at the number of infections vs the number of deaths. Not to mention the number of people who have been infected that don't even know they have been. The exception being the elderly and unhealthy.

But it is really contagious, which makes it so bad, as the numbers of infected can soar so easily. It spreads like wild fire if left unchecked.

To me that is the difference between this and the flu. The flu is nowhere near as contagious, as well as being slightly less dangerous to the average healthy person.

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It really isn't that deadly at all, if you look at the number of infections vs the number of deaths. Not to mention the number of people who have been infected that don't even know they have been. The exception being the elderly and unhealthy.

But it is really contagious, which makes it so bad, as the numbers of infected can soar so easily. It spreads like wild fire if left unchecked.

To me that is the difference between this and the flu. The flu is nowhere near as contagious, as well as being slightly less dangerous to the average healthy person.

How can you say that given there are some warning signs that this virus leaves permanent damage which is looking like it will affect peoples' life expectancy?
Previously-healthy people are reporting ongoing complications that they may never recover from, athletes included.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by leesa

How can you say that given there are some warning signs that this virus leaves permanent damage which is looking like it will affect peoples' life expectancy?
Previously-healthy people are reporting ongoing complications that they may never recover from, athletes included.

Did they die though? Cause that's all that's being recorded.

And no one knows the long term effects yet. It seems very hit and miss. Some people will have no effects, basically no sign they even had it. Yet a few get hit like a tonne of bricks. Most people just have basic symptoms and then they are fine. Some take ages to recover. It's all over the shop.

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Most people just have basic symptoms and then they are fine.

But that's not true either

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.c...amage-recovery
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...228-5/fulltext

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by leesa

But that's not true either

Yes, I was watching a lady interviewed that was a marathon runner etc. etc. and she contracted early March.
Her story confirmed the changes in her body. 40 odd and high fitness level but the things she 'complains' about now are not isolated to her lungs

As mentioned here earlier, every organ is probably affected, even life span for these people. Again mentioned here, nobody knows yet the whole story.
Nasty and certainly not a common cold.

Stay safe

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by leesa

But that's not true either

https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.c...amage-recovery
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...228-5/fulltext

The thing is that these percentages are not real as we do not know how many people have had it.


Sweden appears to be near herd immunity with 85,000 cases in 10,000,000 people, but WHO says herd immunity would likely be %60-%80 infected.
Extrapolating those numbers, for every reported case there would be 70 - 90 unreported cases.
If this can then be projected to Germany (very small sample size BTW) then -

This is almost 2 orders of magnitude error in those percentages in the first link above, ie when it says %78 it would be in reality 0.9% - 1.1%


Please feel free to re-examine the numbers.


Even if the heard immunity is off, and is really under 50%, then it means the virus is not very virile.


Again, this is why I said Sweden was interesting

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And no one knows the long term effects yet. It seems very hit and miss. Some people will have no effects, basically no sign they even had it. Yet a few get hit like a tonne of bricks. Most people just have basic symptoms and then they are fine. Some take ages to recover. It's all over the shop.

Got a work colleague who is a avid cyclist. Cycles 13km's each way to and from work everyday (that's nothing to him). The bloke is very fit and looks after his health, and his diet as if he is a pro athlete.

He tested positive to COVID-19 on 14th July. Only symptom was a temperature. He was back at work this week after being cleared by NHHS, and I had a chat to him yesterday about how he's doing. He said COVID has definitely effected his fitness. He is more out of breath when he rides to work, and when riding back home. Heart and breathing rate is up there he reckons. He kept up his fitness by cycling while in iso as he has a machine at home, so lack of exercise was not the issue.

I was very surprised to hear this. This guy is one of the fittest people I know. If someone like him can be effected in such a way, then the average person (me) maybe in serious trouble. I haven't even been on a cycle for some 15+ years!!

Your average person who has recovered from COVID may not actually know if, or how much, their health has been effected because they may not be exercise/fitness junkies like the bloke above. And got nothing to compare their pre and post COVID health status.

He maybe able to recover his pre COVID fitness level but it will take a lot of work he thinks. Bloke was one of those sceptics of COVID, is also a vegetarian, and one of those climate change people. Yeah, I know. He's view of COVID is very different now. But unfortunately his view on vegetarian and climate change hasn't changed so I will continue to distance myself from him at work. ()

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Got a work colleague who is a avid cyclist. Cycles 13km's each way to and from work everyday (that's nothing to him). The bloke is very fit and looks after his health, and his diet as if he is a pro athlete.

He tested positive to COVID-19 on 14th July. Only symptom was a temperature. He was back at work this week after being cleared by NHHS, and I had a chat to him yesterday about how he's doing. He said COVID has definitely effected his fitness. He is more out of breath when he rides to work, and when riding back home. Heart and breathing rate is up there he reckons. He kept up his fitness by cycling while in iso as he has a machine at home, so lack of exercise was not the issue.

I was very surprised to hear this. This guy is one of the fittest people I know. If someone like him can be effected in such a way, then the average person (me) maybe in serious trouble. I haven't even been on a cycle for some 15+ years!!

Your average person who has recovered from COVID may not actually know if, or how much, their health has been effected because they may not be exercise/fitness junkies like the bloke above. And got nothing to compare their pre and post COVID health status.

He maybe able to recover his pre COVID fitness level but it will take a lot of work he thinks. Bloke was one of those sceptics of COVID, is also a vegetarian, and one of those climate change people. Yeah, I know. He's view of COVID is very different now. But unfortunately his view on vegetarian and climate change hasn't changed so I will continue to distance myself from him at work. ()

Thought I'd post a little update on this bloke. Just over 2 months now since he tested positive. I had a chat with him today at work. He told me his fitness has not improved, not even the slightest. He still cycles to work everyday, but is really feeling it. Out of breath and pulse rate up there after each ride. He has recently volunteered for medical research being undertaken for people who have overcome COVID, but have long lasting symptoms. As per my post above, this bloke is a fitness fanatic, and he is genuinely concerned for his health now, and into the future.

There was a story on 60 Minutes yesterday on the long lasting effects for some people who have "recovered" from COVID. Was very interesting.

Part 1: On two Aussie's under 50, post COVID infection.



Part 2: Only available on 9now. It was about actress Alyssa Milano's struggle post COVID infection. If you don't have access to 9now, you can read about her battle HERE.

This virus is obviously affecting different people, very differently. And that is a very scary thought.

[ute83]

Originally Posted by leesa

How can you say that given there are some warning signs that this virus leaves permanent damage which is looking like it will affect peoples' life expectancy?
Previously-healthy people are reporting ongoing complications that they may never recover from, athletes included.

And how is that any different to the seasonal flu, whatever strain it might be. Lasting effects of the flu is quite common.

Originally Posted by ute83

And how is that any different to the seasonal flu, whatever strain it might be. Lasting effects of the flu is quite common.

How often do you see the flu result in someone needing a lung transplant 'cause it's turned their lungs into rissoles?

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by leesa

How often do you see the flu result in someone needing a lung transplant 'cause it's turned their lungs into rissoles?

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For a second there I thought I was in the bakery thread.