and so it begins .......

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by smoo

Except Euro 7 is around the corner which spells the death of full ICEs.

No it doesn’t, you’re confusing EEC /UK government BEV legislation with the EU emission regulations

https://www.transportenvironment.org...lobby-is-back/



The new Euro 7 standard would keep the existing Euro 6 NOx limits
– 60 milligrams per km for petrol cars and 80 mg/km for diesel cars –
under the agreement reached between EU governments and MEPs.

Today’s setback saw lawmakers ditch the 60 mg/km limit for diesel cars
proposed by the European Commission.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

No it doesn’t, you’re confusing EEC /UK government BEV legislation with the EU emission regulations

I see, wasn’t aware they’d amended Euro 7 regs. Further proof the Euro makers are ****ting themselves faced with cheaper Chinese EVs.
That will give them a lifeline to no ICEs sold 2035. But by then most will probably be irrelevant.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by smoo

I see, wasn’t aware they’d amended Euro 7 regs. Further proof the Euro makers are ****ting themselves faced with cheaper Chinese EVs.
That will give them a lifeline to no ICEs sold 2035. But by then most will probably be irrelevant.

or it's an acknowledgement that we're trying to get blood from a stone. the idea that you can turn fuel solely into CO2 and H2O given the types of chemicals going into an ICE and the conditions under which they're being burnt, is somewhat fanciful.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

or it's an acknowledgement that we're trying to get blood from a stone. the idea that you can turn fuel solely into CO2 and H2O given the types of chemicals going into an ICE and the conditions under which they're being burnt, is somewhat fanciful.

I wouldn't give them that much credit, they tried to go for **** that looks good on paper and found out the hard way that the real world and their fanciful bull**** wasn't ever going to work.

Was a lot of chicken littles here when they initially came out with their ICE bans with targets like 2030 et al.

Reminds me of a certain major party and their '50% renewables' by 2030 target near on 10 years ago, that was rushed through and big press releases made, as we sit in 2024 here in VIC:



95% brown coal

We're only 6 years away from 2030, not sure what their thought process was with committing to it, then advertising it everywhere, and trying to implement this idea so quickly when Stevie Wonder could see it wasn't going to work.

Same with the EU and their fanciful ICE bans.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I wouldn't give them that much credit, they tried to go for **** that looks good on paper and found out the hard way that the real world and their fanciful bull**** wasn't ever going to work.

Was a lot of chicken littles here when they initially came out with their ICE bans with targets like 2030 et al.

Reminds me of a certain major party and their '50% renewables' by 2030 target near on 10 years ago, that was rushed through and big press releases made, as we sit in 2024 here in VIC:

image

95% brown coal

We're only 6 years away from 2030, not sure what their thought process was with committing to it, then advertising it everywhere, and trying to implement this idea so quickly when Stevie Wonder could see it wasn't going to work.

Same with the EU and their fanciful ICE bans.

That graph is misleading tho, franko. It doesn't include roof top solar. I'm going to take a punt and say that the graph is sourced from AEMO? Roof top solar is not something that AEMO plays with (tracks or monitors) so their graphs do not show demand satisfied from roof top solar, nor does it show how much generation is being input into the system by roof top solar.

The Nem Watch widget is a much better depiction of what is really going on in the market. I appreciate it's not quite comparing apples with apples as its a different time and the market has probably changed slightly since you posted, but at 14:10 nem time, roof top solar accounts for around 2800mw of supply, large scale solar only 486 mw, wind 387 mw and brown coal 2160 mw in Vic. Therefore, renewable is accounting for around 64% of the market.

That is a much better representation of the market status.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

That graph is misleading tho, franko. It doesn't include roof top solar. I'm going to take a punt and say that the graph is sourced from AEMO? Roof top solar is not something that AEMO plays with (tracks or monitors) so their graphs do not show demand satisfied from roof top solar, nor does it show how much generation is being input into the system by roof top solar.

The Nem Watch widget is a much better depiction of what is really going on in the market. I appreciate it's not quite comparing apples with apples as its a different time and the market has probably changed slightly since you posted, but at 14:10 nem time, roof top solar accounts for around 2800mw of supply, large scale solar only 486 mw, wind 387 mw and brown coal 2160 mw in Vic. Therefore, renewable is accounting for around 64% of the market.

That is a much better representation of the market status.

I don't think it is as rooftop solar feed in relies upon home owners feeding excess generation back into the grid, it looks impressive but its off-peak times where home owners FIT is so low because this energy they generate is effectively worthless.

Homeowners with solar are way better off sinking as much of their excess solar capacity into charging EVs, or heating up water or other intensive energy uses than feeding it back into a grid at a time where there is an overabundant supply of energy.

Have a look at your link now 2 hours into peak - wind is up a nice percentage but brown coal is still putting in the work for VIC.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I don't think it is as rooftop solar feed in relies upon home owners feeding excess generation back into the grid, it looks impressive but its off-peak times where home owners FIT is so low because this energy they generate is effectively worthless.

Homeowners with solar are way better off sinking as much of their excess solar capacity into charging EVs, or heating up water or other intensive energy uses than feeding it back into a grid at a time where there is an overabundant supply of energy.

Have a look at your link now 2 hours into peak - wind is up a nice percentage but brown coal is still putting in the work for VIC.

Depends if you are an early adapter with high feed in tariff, or a recent adapter with zero feed in tariff. The latter will want to do as you say and use as much of their own solar generation as possible. The former are better off selling their power back to the grid and buying it back at night at much smaller cost, to do their chores.