Ford commits to V8 Future

T3ts50 · 14-09-2009, 09:46 AM

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...-for-now-16640

An article on the future of the V8 from carsales.

HSE2 · 14-09-2009, 09:57 AM

It’s good to see the same message that we have been reading here from essentially the same dealer network.

Dropping the Xr8 Ute would be a problem.

Eu-GenixX · 14-09-2009, 10:16 AM

i honestly thought V8 sales would be higher than that...

i could understand if Ford did want to drop the V8.... from a sales point of view... but the public reaction would be very negative...

LeadFoot81 · 14-09-2009, 10:50 AM

Why is it that Holden sell so many more V8s?

Is it because the BOSS is viewed as/is inferior to the LS engines?
Ford has attracted the 6cyl crowd with its Turbo 6?

I'm interested to see what will happen when they start equipping the XR8 and (G8E?) with the new coyote V8.

Lukeyson · 14-09-2009, 10:58 AM

Its because their 6cyl is such an under-performer even for day to day driving, Ford I6 has alot more rolling torque on the hwy. ALot of my mates with Ford 6's say it does all they need, why go to the V8? which i dont share the logic myself. lol

flappist · 14-09-2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Why is it that Holden sell so many more V8s?

Is it because the BOSS is viewed as/is inferior to the LS engines?
Ford has attracted the 6cyl crowd with its Turbo 6?

I'm interested to see what will happen when they start equipping the XR8 and (G8E?) with the new coyote V8.

One of the contributing factors would be that Holden sell a choice of V8 or low performance whereas Ford have high performance 6 and 8 offerings.

Another possible reason is that many of those who want to buy a NEW ford V8 sedan buy a GT rather than XR8 as it is more iconic whereas the Pursuit name does not have as strong a following and utes are often actually used as work vehicles that get a bit knocked around and the FPV bodykit is less suitable.
Ford offered a V8 in the BA/F series right across the range and sold bugger all of them and they were dropped. If the XR8 fails to sell it will see the same fate.

The solution is simple. All you V8 enthusiests, instead of buying a second hand GT or T3 go and buy a shiny new XR8.

If you don't and the model is dropped then the only people you can blame are yourselves.

bcr2734 · 14-09-2009, 11:05 AM

so when are you purchasing yours?

mcnews · 14-09-2009, 11:08 AM

The fact that the other engine available to Commodore buyers is an abomination of mechanical engineering would have a lot to do with the amount of people choosing the V8 if they wanted a Commodore.

Falcon buyers have a torquey and well performing six, and a damn fast turbo six. The only reason to choose the Ford 8 is for the sound/feel.

Road_Warrior · 14-09-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Why is it that Holden sell so many more V8s?

Holden have a V8 available across more models in the lineup (Calais, SS, SS-V, Statesman, Caprice, and up until recently, the Berlina as well). With Ford it's just the XR8.

naddis01 · 14-09-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Is it because the BOSS is viewed as/is inferior to the LS engines?
Ford has attracted the 6cyl crowd with its Turbo 6?

I think yes and yes, but it may be a different story if coyote lives up to expectations.

**Elks** · 14-09-2009, 12:31 PM

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Given then V8 sales account for roughly 1000 units out of almost 30,000 Falcons sold in 2009, it appears Ford is getting a message from its customers; and the message is they want six-cylinders…

Model range has a lot to do with it, as does options. There is no G8E only G6ET . I am a V8 guy and would buy a G8E over a G6ET any day. That said if I had to buy today I would be happy with a G6ET which is a very good car by any measure.

Unfortuneately, my work has a choice of only Holden / Honda / or Toyota vehilces. I drive a Holden as I can opt for the 6.0 versions SS or Calias. when they were talking about no V8's as acost saving measure the Holden was off the table for me. The one redeeming feature of the VE is the 6.0 engine, drop back to the V6 and I rather be driving and Accord. as boring as they are at least they are well built.

For my $$ I'd would not buy an XR8, I'd pay the extra for a GT and it's keeper status.

My 2c

HO 3 · 14-09-2009, 12:48 PM

History will remember that Fords I6 killed the Boss V8.....the Coyote V8s history is yet to be written and ultimately decided by the customer.

Cheers Mick

Wally · 14-09-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Why is it that Holden sell so many more V8s?

Is it because the BOSS is viewed as/is inferior to the LS engines?
Ford has attracted the 6cyl crowd with its Turbo 6?

I'm interested to see what will happen when they start equipping the XR8 and (G8E?) with the new coyote V8.

I don't know how many V8's Holden sell/annum, but my guess is probably a quarter of Commodore new car sales are fitted with the donk? Having it fitted to non HSV models must make life a little easier for the sales rep.

You've got me wondering what % LS2s are sold in the Holden lineup (Calais & SS) compared to HSV.

flappist · 14-09-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

I don't know how many V8's Holden sell/annum, but my guess is probably a quarter of Commodore new car sales are fitted with the donk? Having it fitted to non HSV models must make life a little easier for the sales rep.

You've got me wondering what % LS2s are sold in the Holden lineup (Calais & SS) compared to HSV.

0%, There are quite a few L76s and LS3s though.....

R-Design · 14-09-2009, 02:03 PM

As far as I’m concerned this is great news, and it’s about time Burela made it clear that the V8 would continue in the Ford range.

At the same time it’s typical of media to see how this has been reported. There’s no praise for Ford making the decision, and no indication of what the decision means, ie:

1. New class leading V8 with a likely 300 Kilowatts & improved fuel efficiency due in 2010. Imagine the spiel they could provide on the benefits of the Coyote over the Holden V8 based on what has already been leaked.
2. XR8 model to continue with class leading power, technology and refinement (SS killer).
3. Possible expansion of the V8 range to include non-performance models (G8E, XT8).
4. V8 to sit beside critically acclaimed I6T engine in Ford range.

Instead they’ve talked it down to the point where the decision could be reversed “depending on consumer demand” (like that doesn’t apply to every product on the market). In all fairness Burela gave them an opening, but I’m sure he’s only promoting the I6(T) as that’s what he’s got for sale this week.

Can you imagine if this article was about a possible GMH decision to stop V8 production in the Commodore range?

merlin · 14-09-2009, 02:10 PM

I think its just because the six turbo is so damn good. When they release a V8 thats better (hopefully next year) I think many people (me if its supercharged) will swap.

Powdered Toast Man · 14-09-2009, 02:11 PM

Looks like the XR8 ute will stay a while, which is good seeing as I wouldn't mind a manual FG XR8 ute for my next car. I can't afford new though so I'm of no help to Ford's sales lol.

Road_Warrior · 14-09-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

At the same time it’s typical of media to see how this has been reported. There’s no praise for Ford making the decision, and no indication of what the decision means

Well, in fairness, the only information out there about Coyote at the moment is all rumour and speculation, no cold hard facts. Which is not surprising, the engine is still under development and will (may?) be fitted to a yet-to-be-released car. It's a bit hard to talk something up without credible evidence.

T3ts50 · 14-09-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by merlin

I think its just because the six turbo is so damn good. When they release a V8 thats better (hopefully next year) I think many people (me if its supercharged) will swap.

Yeah I agree. You have more performance engine options with the Fords than they do over at Holden. I believe Holden have strong V8 sales due to the fact they dont have a 6 that would keep up with an 8.

phillyc · 14-09-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

As far as I’m concerned this is great news, and it’s about time Burela made it clear that the V8 would continue in the Ford range.

At the same time it’s typical of media to see how this has been reported.

Yes, completely typical. But at least it is stopping people talking about the new Rattletech SIDS V6 in the GMH Commodore. Yet more Ford coverage when GMH would be hoping they are dominating media air time and pages.

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Originally Posted by Boss315

1. New class leading V8 with a likely 300 Kilowatts & improved fuel efficiency due in 2010. Imagine the spiel they could provide on the benefits of the Coyote over the Holden V8 based on what has already been leaked.
2. XR8 model to continue with class leading power, technology and refinement (SS killer).
3. Possible expansion of the V8 range to include non-performance models (G8E, XT8).
4. V8 to sit beside critically acclaimed I6T engine in Ford range.his week.

Yes. I actually think their should be an XR8E or XR8 Titanium. Also offer the G8E too. But, i don't agree with XT8.

R-Design · 14-09-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Well, in fairness, the only information out there about Coyote at the moment is all rumour and speculation, no cold hard facts. Which is not surprising, the engine is still under development and will (may?) be fitted to a yet-to-be-released car. It's a bit hard to talk something up without credible evidence.

Yeah they hate to speculate, hang on, isn't that all they do? At least they could make it positive.

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2009...the-heat-15660

Joe5619 · 14-09-2009, 03:40 PM

The asnwer is simiple.. The XR6T is quicker than a XR8!! Who in there right might would buy an XR8, just to pay more for petrol & be slower than an XR6T??

King Nothing · 14-09-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

The asnwer is simiple.. The XR6T is quicker than a XR8!! Who in there right might would buy an XR8, just to pay more for petrol & be slower than an XR6T??

But the sound, oh, the sound!

4Vman · 14-09-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

The asnwer is simiple.. The XR6T is quicker than a XR8!! Who in there right might would buy an XR8, just to pay more for petrol & be slower than an XR6T??

Yes because car ownership is all about racing on the streets and being 0.3 seconds quicker isnt it....

ford_maiden · 14-09-2009, 03:51 PM

what about the financial sidde of things?
running costs of a V8 to a 6, here in queensland its over $1000 to register a V8 for 12 months im feeling that one i tell ya.....
yeah i agree that holden sell more 8 because the 6's are hopeless and only had the short lived supercharged 6, Ford put all its hard work into developing its I6's rather then their 8's, and holden developed their 8's rather then the 6's.
lets hope that with the new 8 in development that ford can take leadership in both fields.......

R-Design · 14-09-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes because car ownership is all about racing on the streets and being 0.3 seconds quicker isnt it....

He's got a point, the XR6T is widely accepted as being the pick of the current XR clan:

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Originally Posted by Wheels Feb 2009

The superiority of the XR6 Turbo in particular over the XR8 caused more than one judge to ponder the future of V8-powered Falcons: “The turbo is faster, better balanced and more frugal – is the V8 dead?” asked Poppitt.

vztrt · 14-09-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ford_maiden

Ford put all its hard work into developing its I6's rather then their 8's, and holden developed their 8's rather then the 6's.

Holden put in a chev motor in. Compared to the I6 Holden did a little development to the LS motors.

flappist · 14-09-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Yes because car ownership is all about racing on the streets and being 0.3 seconds quicker isnt it....

Only if yours in the fastest...

It is all about sound if yours sounds the best.

Or all about heritage if yours has the "badge".

Or all about fuel economy if yours uses the least.

After all, nobody on THIS forum is driving the wrong car are they..........

4Vman · 14-09-2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Only if yours in the fastest...

It is all about sound if yours sounds the best.

Or all about heritage if yours has the "badge".

Or all about fuel economy if yours uses the least.

After all, nobody on THIS forum is driving the wrong car are they..........

Exactly.. which is why car companies offer more than 1 model, different vehicles appeal to different people...

ford_maiden · 14-09-2009, 04:14 PM

yeah i know holden didnt actually put any thinking into it, they just made a phone call and said we need a bigger V8 ford is beating us