New HSV supercar confirmed as W427 build reduced

[HSE2]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...eID=59720&vf=2

[f6.au]

hmmmmm


a bold move by hsv, one which i could understand

[Gobes32]

Very interesting, only 140 "sold" and taking orders till june next year to sell the other 60. I applaud HSV for taking the risk and building the fastest car they can with the resources they have, but I now feel it's proven that aussies have a price ceiling that they are willing to pay for an Australian made supercar.

So to all the people who cry out for a V10 quad turbo GTHO, it's now been proven that we want super fast cars but we don't want to pay too much for them................

[HSE2]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Very interesting, only 140 "sold" and taking orders till june next year to sell the other 60. I applaud HSV for taking the risk and building the fastest car they can with the resources they have, but I now feel it's proven that aussies have a price ceiling that they are willing to pay for an Australian made supercar.

So to all the people who cry out for a V10 quad turbo GTHO, it's now been proven that we want super fast cars but we don't want to pay too much for them................

This was the first serious test case for FPV to have a close look at.

At 200 I would be surprised if the numbers have worked out as HSV would have originally wanted. To correctly cost such a program they would have needed a firm number.

BUT HSV would have used the W427 program to offset future product development for normal HSV products. The return of the 6 piston brakes, additional MRC program and active exhaust are some of the things that will open up to forthcoming GTS cars while being offset by the W427 program.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by HSE2

This was the first serious test case for FPV to have a close look at.

At 200 I would be surprised if the numbers have worked out as HSV would have originally wanted. To correctly cost such a program they would have needed a firm number.

BUT HSV would have used the W427 program to offset future product development for normal HSV products. The return of the 6 piston brakes, additional MRC program and active exhaust are some of the things that will open up to forthcoming GTS cars while being offset by the W427 program.

It was originally costed on 200 units, that was the amortization number that the tooling and R+D costs were calculated and spread over, hence its price.
If it went to 400 units they would have made allot more money...

The problem is now that 200 customers have satisfied their need for such a car, and there doesnt appear to be allot more in the pipeline under the current economy.
My guess is whatever is next will be a "cheaper" watered down version...
I also don't think 200 units would be enough to entice FPV into the ring....

[The Monty]

In other words, everyone that said they were going to buy it, didnt.

Wonder if its because people realise that its only a smidgen faster than the new F6, which costs nearly a third of the price, with half the fuel economy.

W427 : Holdens 60th anniversary flop.

[flappist]

After application of spin filter:

HSV are looking at some way to sell their 150k ultraboganmobile after sales have died in the bum. The previously stated exclusive 427 build has been reduced to 200 in the hope that they might actually sell that many.

"It worked for those drongos at FPV and the crap fraud GT40/Cobra" stated Dazza Knobhead of Dazza, Bazza, Shazza and mates Marketing and maccas car park designs.
"The newer more fully hektiker commy will be here soon and it will be faster than a V8 supercar (the holden ones coz the SS is faster than the fraud ones already)" continued Shazza Sandcrab, company blonde bubble.

Mr Knobhead will not be available for comment again until tomorrow as there is an Acca Dacca special on TV tonight and he has already started skulling jugs of VB to get ready for the festivities.

Internally HSV had put their hopes on the christmas plasma bonus from comrade Kev allowing their customer base to aquire enough money for a $10k deposit on a 20 year interest free. no payments until 2018 special finance deal but unfortunately even the Motor Finance Wizard is not THAT silly.

[IDT]

You must admire how they get away with the spin they put on it instead of its a $150,000 commie that we cant sell except to dealer managers.

Good on ya HSV and good on ya Drive for aiding and abetting a complete load of rubbish

WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE EXCLUSIVE Ha!

[Sprint347]

Perhaps the W427's decline in popularity has partly something to do with the HRT malarky?

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

It was originally costed on 200 units, that was the amortization number that the tooling and R+D costs were calculated and spread over, hence its price.
If it went to 400 units they would have made allot more money...

The problem is now that 200 customers have satisfied their need for such a car, and there doesnt appear to be allot more in the pipeline under the current economy.
My guess is whatever is next will be a "cheaper" watered down version...
I also don't think 200 units would be enough to entice FPV into the ring....

They probably should have costed the program over 400 cars, therefore being able to sell them for a cheaper price.

Most of the cars registered are owned by dealers, how many have actually sold to the general public would be an interesting figure.

[GTP owner]

I looked at it, but it was not worth the coin they asked. So did not purchase. I am sure i am not the only one.

[eb2fairmont]

The next one will have the LSA or LS9.....

And good on em for at least trying. At least they can put new wheels on a car unlike the rubbish we have to deal with from FPV - sticker pack specialists.

[my gt]

The HO is coming boys its coming

[tex]

Having had a good perv on a local car down here, it was quickly apparent that the $ asked was not reflected by the 'presence' of the overall package. Sure that's just my opinion, but after considered thought, I can honestly say that the 'presence' of a simialrly priced Euro (say C63, M3 and the Audi) is obvious. In those vehicles - you can see where the money went.

Not all people with 150k plus to spend on a 'sports sedan' are CUB's, and I think HSV have proven that the number is actually less than 200 - those that have- and are prepared to spend the disposable income / as opposed to those that say "they'd have one' types.

Hahaha, I remember reading that HSV over 12 months prior to release confirmed actual paid up deposits for the entire model run. Pfft, per usual th hype exceeds the reallity.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by flappist

After application of spin filter:

HSV are looking at some way to sell their 150k ultraboganmobile after sales have died in the bum. The previously stated exclusive 427 build has been reduced to 200 in the hope that they might actually sell that many.

"It worked for those drongos at FPV and the crap fraud GT40/Cobra" stated Dazza Knobhead of Dazza, Bazza, Shazza and mates Marketing and maccas car park designs.
"The newer more fully hektiker commy will be here soon and it will be faster than a V8 supercar (the holden ones coz the SS is faster than the fraud ones already)" continued Shazza Sandcrab, company blonde bubble.

Mr Knobhead will not be available for comment again until tomorrow as there is an Acca Dacca special on TV tonight and he has already started skulling jugs of VB to get ready for the festivities.

Internally HSV had put their hopes on the christmas plasma bonus from comrade Kev allowing their customer base to aquire enough money for a $10k deposit on a 20 year interest free. no payments until 2018 special finance deal but unfortunately even the Motor Finance Wizard is not THAT silly.

[Gobes32]

Originally Posted by tex

Hahaha, I remember reading that HSV over 12 months prior to release confirmed actual paid up deposits for the entire model run. Pfft, per usual th hype exceeds the reallity.

Holden are the masters of spin doctoring, everything gets turned around to make them look good and facts are conveniently left out. Where are all the depositors? Why can a car if it's selling well? HSV and Holden give me the shi#%s.

Unfortunately they won't lose as much money as they should because all they did was ship corvette motors over and put them in Commo's. GM have already paid all the R&D on the motor. Another problem was that Holden fans thought that for $150k they would be buying something a bit faster than a turbo 6 taxi (haha F6) Just goes to show that it is easy to do a high 12 qtr pass but you need to spend a shed load of money to get into the 11's.


Disclaimer, By no means am I having a dig at the F6, I just love the fact that Ford can make the old I6 so fast and at a cost that's great value compared to the W427!!!

[GT450]

Originally Posted by tex

Having had a good perv on a local car down here, it was quickly apparent that the $ asked was not reflected by the 'presence' of the overall package. Sure that's just my opinion, but after considered thought, I can honestly say that the 'presence' of a simialrly priced Euro (say C63, M3 and the Audi) is obvious. In those vehicles - you can see where the money went.

Not all people with 150k plus to spend on a 'sports sedan' are CUB's, and I think HSV have proven that the number is actually less than 200 - those that have- and are prepared to spend the disposable income / as opposed to those that say "they'd have one' types.

Hahaha, I remember reading that HSV over 12 months prior to release confirmed actual paid up deposits for the entire model run. Pfft, per usual th hype exceeds the reallity.

I saw the silver one at Symmons plains too Tex and it just looked like atarted up commodore not a $155k supercar , no supercar presence at all. This is just a ploy to generate interest andsell the 60 that they plan to build ( to keep them exclusive) to break even, if they don't i imagine they will lose on the project. No don't hold your breath for FPV to build an HO if anything this will steer them well clear of such a project , no-one is selling anything at the moment at its's obviously not the time to throw more good money after bad with a new project when the lots are overcrowded with vehicles no-one wants to spend their hard earned on.
If they think they are going to sell 60 by June 2009 i'd be very surprised at least not at $155k and if they discount them imagine what current owners will think. They are playing with the big boys and they will get burnt. Rod barrett is at least wise enough to know to cost that much locally it would have to be extra special and it's not.
Cheers
GT450

[henry 351]

Fewer HSV's on the road than promised...there is a Santa Claus!

[GTP owner]

Originally Posted by my gt

The HO is coming boys its coming

Don't start with that tired old line.

[Rodp]

I was skeptical that 427 would be sold but they certainly know how to paint with the BS brush. I'd have expected any other manufacturer to had said the same thing when they spent a lot of dollars putting out a product that sold well under expectations.

If I had an insane amount of coin I'd probably consider one but for the money they were asking I'd have been looking at a Euro performance car or an F6 and a GT. :P

[axeray]

To expensive.

And another flop.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

The next one will have the LSA or LS9.....

My money's on the LSA. They should just import the Caddy and be done with it.

I'm in agreement with everyone else, the W427 just doesn't have enough "presence". It just looks like a slighlty more tarted up Clubby which already look too tarted up IMO.

It's a case of great engine and driveline, too bad about the rest of the car.

And come on Flappist, you can't knock Acca Dacca!!

[mongoloid]

HSV says it will produce just 200 of the HSV W427 in an effort to protect the exclusivity of the fastest, most expensive Holden ever built.

how kind of them

[SM1DY]

I find it to hardly believe that this is an effort to protect the exclusivity of the W427.

On the other hand, if they had of said "They're just not selling, we're wasting our time", I could have accepted that

[4Vman]

They'll sell 200, they only ever intended on selling 200 to begin with and at the price they wanted, so the project will be seen as a success.
427 units was a secondary reaction to the massive initial interest, then allot of those extra "buyers" were exposed as tyre kickers and also the economy took a dive..... don't for 1 min think this project hasn't returned what HSV wanted.

[EgoFG]

read it closely:

I paraphrase, but here is the meaning as I see it (not at all disguised in the report).

We will never sell 427 of them - we would have to discount, and it would loose value.

We will do it again in the next 10 Years

[Scott]

Lets say Holden based the model on 200 units and they only move 150. You'd assume that they will have a legacy of 50 x $155k ($7.75m) of which they will recover most of through discounting the remaining stock. Say that turns out to be a $50k discount per unit, they will come out 50 x $50k ($2.5m) in the red not counting the profit made on the original 150 units sold.

For $2.5m (not including the afore mentioned profit), they have created a car that they can take to the world stage and throw in the face of the Euro's & Yank Tanks.

That relatively little investment WILL sell more normal Holdens and HSV's and may just do enough to assist in getting a better foot hold O/S.

How many people buy 118's or 320i's because they love the prestige that comes with a BMW badge? Heaps, that's how many.

I applaud Holden/HSV for thinking outside the square and getting their unknown name out there into a different part of the automotive spectrum.

Who knows how many Arab's will fall in love with the thing when it's on TGUK and then hold the Holden brand name in the same esteem as Mercedes... then buy a base model car.

Just another perspective...

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

The next one will have the LSA or LS9.....

And good on em for at least trying. At least they can put new wheels on a car unlike the rubbish we have to deal with from FPV - sticker pack specialists.

The rubbish from FPV???? FFS ...... obviously you have NEVER driven one!



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[prydey]

Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

The next one will have the LSA or LS9.....

And good on em for at least trying. At least they can put new wheels on a car unlike the rubbish we have to deal with from FPV - sticker pack specialists.

the nest one will have 'made in china' all over it the way GM are going these days.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

They probably should have costed the program over 400 cars, therefore being able to sell them for a cheaper price.

Most of the cars registered are owned by dealers, how many have actually sold to the general public would be an interesting figure.

The thing is 200 units was always the number... 427 units only came onto the radar some time after it went on sale (read sales ambition)... they would have been better off shutting their mouths till they knew they could sell another 200.....
That way the first 200 might have sold out quicker.
The diminished exclusivity may have reduced its appeal.
Or there really are only 200 Holden C.U.B's out there.....
I wonder how many Ford C.U.B's there are now?