Ford oil spec M2C913-D

[ope126]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

Mann make a lot of OE filters for Euro car manufacturers. That's a good price too.

Here is a good link started by rondeo regarding the oil change process and what filters to get; http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...14#post5649114

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by ope126

I was using Total Oil when I had my EcoBoost and got it locally in Brisbane from Onshore Oils; http://www.onshoreoils.com.au/

For me the issue was (at the time) they could not source 1L bottles so could only get the 5L and needed more for the oil change. And I believe the EcoBoost needed 5.4L on a change and now my TDCi needs 5.5L on an oil change.

That is the only real reason I went with Penrite HPR5 which is readily available in a 6L bottle; http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...&id_products=1

The first time I did an oil change with the Total, I topped it up with some leftover oil - it only needed about 300ml. But I bought a 1 litre bottle last time.

The TBN and sulphated ash levels of HPR5 aren't that much higher than the C3 specs, probably because it's a full synthetic. It also looks like a perfectly good oil for my motorbikes!

[NZ XR6]

Could be. Ash buildup would have less effect on flow through.

But how does the filter work unless there is wall flow?

[rondeo]

Originally Posted by NZ XR6

Could be. Ash buildup would have less effect on flow through.

But how does the filter work unless there is wall flow?

With less effectiveness:

http://www.hussgroup.com/huss-umwelt...filtration.php

I'm still in the dark whether 'high flow' and 'flow through' are equivalent, and why Ford don't specify low SAPS. All a bit academic maybe, my cars seem to use very little oil, don't need topping up in 15000km anyway.
Maybe there's a high flow wall flow filter.

[NZ XR6]

I think you're right. There's some info on the Peugeot website that says that the DPF is the wall flow type.

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[NZ XR6]

Came across this from Ford:


"Coated Diesel Particulate Filter (cDPF): Ford's cDPF system traps carbon deposits as they exit from the combustion system, preventing their release into the atmosphere.

"Under favourable conditions the system then cleans itself with a controlled 'burn-off' process, thus providing a self-contained clean air system without the need for service maintenance.

"This system contains a ceramic filter body of around 4 litres volume mounted behind the exhaust manifold plus a special regeneration support unit on the engine's intake manifold. Together these components enable the filter system to regenerate in any possible drive condition automatically without requesting any input from the driver and without compromising driveability noticeably during regeneration.

The advantages of the system are:

* Additive systems have an additional additive tank that primes the fuel tank with the additive (a metallic catalyst) at every refuelling. On the Ford cDPF the additive is embedded in the filter washcoat, hence no additional complex priming system is required and no refilling of the tank.

* Long life – a ‘normal’ additive DPF tank needs refilling after approx 60k km, whereas the new Ford cDPF has been developed to last at least 200.000km."

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[stefcio007]

I use Penrite, this one. Recommended by their tool and meets the spec apparently.
My 2c.

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

I use Penrite, this one. Recommended by their tool and meets the spec apparently.
My 2c.

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Is it suitable for DPF's?

Penrite also recommend HPR Diesel 5 but it is not suitable for DPF's.

[stefcio007]

Originally Posted by bundybear75

Is it suitable for DPF's?

Penrite also recommend HPR Diesel 5 but it is not suitable for DPF's.

I checked soot levels once a month. Last time I checked it was about 60%, so normal. Only had dealer services before I bought it.
I'll monitor levels and report back.

It's confusing since some oils only have the spec written, some have for vehicles with DPF fitter, and some say NOT suitable for vehicles with DPF.

(I'm coming from a petrol V6 VW Golf, and always used Penrite no problems so I trust them.)

[LordFordNZ]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

I checked soot levels once a month. Last time I checked it was about 60%, so normal. Only had dealer services before I bought it.
I'll monitor levels and report back.

It's confusing since some oils only have the spec written, some have for vehicles with DPF fitter, and some say NOT suitable for vehicles with DPF.

(I'm coming from a petrol V6 VW Golf, and always used Penrite no problems so I trust them.)

How do you check the soot levels?

[stefcio007]

Originally Posted by LordFordNZ

How do you check the soot levels?

Use ForScan and select which PID you want to monitor. There's a DPF one that shows soot levels as a percentage.

[cobrin]

I thought it were Enviro+ that were suitable, I've been cautious with penrite because of they conflicting labels, thus have settled on Nulon.

[bundybear75]

Originally Posted by cobrin

I thought it were Enviro+ that were suitable, I've been cautious with penrite because of they conflicting labels, thus have settled on Nulon.

Same here - I've been buying it at the 20% off sales from Supercheap.

Had my Land Cruiser serviced last week - It has DPF's (2) and requires a 0W-30 oil. My mechanic only uses Penrite and had to special order me some Penrite Enviro C2 to suit. Very thin oil, not sure how its going to perform loaded on a hot summers day........

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by bundybear75

Had my Land Cruiser serviced last week - It has DPF's (2) and requires a 0W-30 oil. My mechanic only uses Penrite and had to special order me some Penrite Enviro C2 to suit. Very thin oil, not sure how its going to perform loaded on a hot summers day........

you might be interested in Nulons 0W30 diesel dpf stuff. Just realised it's a new addition (to me that is).

[stefcio007]

Might give the C2 a try then next change. Would be nicer if it came in 6L bottles though.

[cobrin]

Originally Posted by stefcio007

Would be nicer if it came in 6L bottles though.

I hear ya, that was my dilemma also, so decided the way forward was 10L drums, Penrite was much more expensive and that solidified Nulon.

[NZ XR6]

The Peugeot oil specification for the Mondeo engines is a C2.

Having looked into the ACEA oil specs, I've decided to use a C3 oil as it provides more engine protection than the C2. The downside is it's slightly less fuel efficient.

I can highly recommend the Fuchs XTL oils. The parts guy where they sell Fuchs sold me Pro Flex, but I should have bought the C3.

Fuchs even make a low SAPS Ford oil for diesel engines!

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[stefcio007]

C4 is available too, why not go for that?

[NZ XR6]

C4 is low SAPS, C2 is mid SAPS.


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[cobrin]

C5 back to mid saps lol

[NZ XR6]

Originally Posted by cobrin

C5 back to mid saps lol

I've noticed there is a C5 but haven't looked at the spec yet.

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[NZ XR6]

The ECU monitors the pressure drop across the DPF. An increase in the pressure drop corresponds to a higher soot loading.

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[stefcio007]

It says the oil must meet ACEA A5/B5-08.
The only difference between the specs:
A3/B4: light duty
A5/B5: extended use and engines capable of using Low Viscosity Oils with HTHS Viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa*s.
(source: http://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php)

The service interval is 15,000 km but I change every 10,000 km so that's covered, but the other part, does it really matter?
It DOES exceed the M2C913-C spec required, D is just the next iteration of the spec right and they are backwards compatible?

Checked oil levels today and about 3/4 way up the stick.
Only worried about the DPF on this one.

[NZ XR6]

The Peugeot oil specification for our engines is a C2 oil, which is mid SAPS and 2.9 - 3.5 HTHS. It isn't clear why Ford don't specify a C2 oil also, but if the engine manufacturer requires mid SAPS, then that's what I'm going to use.

Lubrizol some good info on the ACEA standards. This is fun to play with. https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html

Yes, M2C913 oils should be backwards compatible.

Ford Europe state a 20,000 km / 1 year oil change interval, so Ford AU are already being conservative.



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[NZ XR6]

The Peugeot oil specification for our engines is a C2 oil, which is mid SAPS and 2.9 - 3.5 HTHS. It isn't clear why Ford don't specify a C2 oil also, but if the engine manufacturer requires mid SAPS, then that's what I'm going to use.

Lubrizol some good info on the ACEA standards. This is fun to play with. https://online.lubrizol.com/relperftool/pc.html

Yes, M2C913 oils should be backwards compatible.

Ford Europe state a 20,000 km / 1 year oil change interval, so Ford AU are already being conservative.



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[stefcio007]

Great, going to switch to a C2 then once this oil hits 10,000 km, which is about how many kms I do a year.

Good idea to look at the Peugeot oil spec, didn't think of that.

[stefcio007]

What do people think of this? http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Pro...itre-C4/518975

Meets the spec and for cars with DPF.

[rondeo]

Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil - 5W-30



As far as have seen this is the only oil which breaks the Alice in Wonderland oil labeling tradition.

By claiming to meet Ford specification while at the same time being suitable for vehicles with DPF, my nightmares might subside.

In the meantime I'll have to use the 30l stock of Nulon C3 long life diesel oil.

[stefcio007]

Originally Posted by rondeo

Penrite Enviro+ Engine Oil - 5W-30



As far as have seen this is the only oil which breaks the Alice in Wonderland oil labeling tradition.

By claiming to meet Ford specification while at the same time being suitable for vehicles with DPF, my nightmares might subside.

In the meantime I'll have to use the 30l stock of Nulon C3 long life diesel oil.

Penrite website says it's Ford M2C-934-B spec, SCA website says M2C-913-D.
I think there's a typo, but is 934-B better than 913-D?

It carries Renault RN0720 spec which says for latest Renault diesel engines equipped with a DPF, spec RN0700 has no mention of DPF.
If you check Caltex oil for RN0720 and RN0700 (Ford 913-C/D) the only difference is that RN0720 is for low SAPS and severe operating conditions. No mention of this for the RN0700 which is supposedly spec for our cars.

Seems as though the original spec did not account for a DPF or was found out to not be suitable for a DPF later on.
In conclusion that Penrite oil is the right spec for our cars and where a DPF is fitted.

Now I can sleep at night, haha.

[rondeo]

You could ring Ford but they might be busy selling Rangers at the moment. Otherwise fork out the $150 to Standards Australia and be prepared to lose a few night's sleep deciphering the information. In general C follows B follows A, and things get better as you go.

My experience is the car is good but Ford wants me to be quiet, enjoy the ride and don't ask questions.

In other words, the car is fine, Ford is the problem, for me at least.