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View Poll Results: What Trans Do You Prefer? | |||
6-Speed Manual | 105 | 29.41% | |
6-Speed ZF Automatic | 252 | 70.59% | |
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04-03-2007, 10:41 AM | #211 | ||
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I didn't realise an auto restricts the exhaust.
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04-03-2007, 11:01 AM | #212 | ||
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Speaking of exhaust and ZF's. Since I got my exhaust done (Tuesday), I've been playing with rev matching between shifts. YES it can be done. Takes some timing and practice. But you can get a satisfying throttle blip and matched revs on downshifts, and a wheel spin between gears on upshifts with a quick right foot action.
So nah nah to manual owners. Us ZF owners have it all
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04-03-2007, 11:15 AM | #213 | |||
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There is a point in between the auto changing gears that sounds like crap. I dont know what the term is, but the is a slight lag. And if you have a loudish exhaust note you can hear it.
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04-03-2007, 12:54 PM | #214 | |||
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.........Except the clutch pedal aka skill/man pedal. : :evilsasmo
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04-03-2007, 01:04 PM | #215 | |||
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Hearing a manual 8 take off is what gets people going. Hearing the car take off in 1st then the nice rumble-backfire between gear into 2nd then double clutch quickly into 3rd for a bit of show boating, awesome. I love my TS50 and nothing against auto owners, TS/E50 owners especially but I couldn't imagine driving anything but a manual. The car sounds like a bathurst car, the famous Windsor roar and having that change by itself and slop between gears would not be fun at all IMO. I love going out for drives after watching V8 Supercars on TV. The in-car shots of them changing gears makes me itch for a drive, I wouldn't be as excited going out to put the car into [D] and just sit there, I like driving the car around corners and long straights going up & down the gears just like the in-car shots. Makes me feel at one with the car and is just plain fun. I guess there are 3 kinds of people. Auto drivers, Manual drivers and people who can't drive. Though, I'm still keen to test drive the ZF to see what all the fuss is about. I know for a fact I won't enjoy it, but, I may like the way it drives but autos are autos. Doesn't matter how many gears or how quick it reacts, it is still an auto, two pedals, no true driving pleasure.
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04-03-2007, 03:48 PM | #216 | ||||
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What a crock, you may believe what you write but don't try and make out like it's gospel.
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Like a badd *** powershift sound ? e Quote:
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04-03-2007, 04:03 PM | #217 | |||
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Go to the drags and listen to the auto's and manuals racing,you will hear a lot more "lag" as you call it between the shifts of a synchro manual than an auto. |
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04-03-2007, 04:06 PM | #218 | |||
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If you want to moan and bltch about the smallest things on the planet and start picking a fight on pointless matters feel free to PM me and we can talk about anything you like. BTT ................
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04-03-2007, 04:11 PM | #219 | |||
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Dosent the engine make all sound,how does the gearbox affect this? Unless you mean the sound that comes from those that cant drive,so when they change gears they lift the throttle before they depress the clutch and so get the compression braking sound.. |
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04-03-2007, 04:12 PM | #220 | |||
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04-03-2007, 04:16 PM | #221 | |||
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04-03-2007, 04:23 PM | #222 | |||
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Honda racers and torque convertors? Any box has an rpm drop some less than others,the ZF 6spd will have less rpm drop than a 5spd manual thats for sure.. |
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04-03-2007, 04:24 PM | #223 | ||
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You mean the sound of a flat shift? (no RPM drop)
Do you do that every day, every shift?
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04-03-2007, 04:26 PM | #224 | ||
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Even flat shifting will have an rpm drop,the simple fact of going into a higher gear will have to drop rpm's
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04-03-2007, 04:27 PM | #225 | |||
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I said, "The torque converter is what effects the sound I'm guessing" not in the same sentence as Honda's as you're trying to make out. I said Honda's because you can hear their whiny rpm drop easier through the fart can. Yes, any automatic has the drop, that's my point. BTT....
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04-03-2007, 04:29 PM | #226 | ||
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Nope not every day every shift.....of course not. If you guys have to ask the difference in what an auto sounds like vs a manual there is no point in trying to explain it. You know the sound or you don't. I sure as hell know the difference. Of course there will always be a drop but no where as much in a manual and it sounds totally different. If there were no rpm drops we'd all have 1 speed automatics.
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04-03-2007, 04:31 PM | #227 | |||
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would a 3 on the tree manual in an old kingswood have less rpm drop than a 5 or 6 spd auto? I dont think so.. As the Lady once said,please explain.. |
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04-03-2007, 04:38 PM | #228 | |||
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04-03-2007, 04:41 PM | #229 | ||
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If anything a torque converter auto can have LESS of an RPM drop than a manual (assuming gear ratios are identical), as the TC can 'absorb' some of the extra RPM - alternatively you'd let the clutch slip some.
Mr. TS50, I'm afraid you're not making sense. Surely an example can be sourced.
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04-03-2007, 04:45 PM | #230 | |||
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04-03-2007, 04:59 PM | #231 | ||
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OK...for those that can't tell the difference here are some videos.
In your opinion, which one do you think sounds better between gears...... : No contest - Manual Manual - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn-Uz1tZoP8 Auto - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8hsN1WJIKU As if videos and 5 minutes will make you know the difference, you either know or you don't. But they're cool videos and there is nothing anyone can pick and twist their panties too or moan about. Cheers!
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04-03-2007, 05:16 PM | #232 | |||
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FYI my cars are manuals,and I race them hard,hard enough that ive blown up a TKO600 twice and stuffed synchro's another time. The engine makes the sound thats it,gearboxes dont make any noise of note. A high stall auto will always be on the convertor at WOT and will never drop below those revs. Ive never been much on sounds anyway,thats the bastion of ricers IMO,I prefer performance.. |
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04-03-2007, 05:29 PM | #233 | |||
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I have followed 10 pages of mostly your thoughts and assumptions, you find it hard to get a grip that people mostly prefer the auto, time to move on, nothing new in this thread except the same argument that you lost for the last 10 pages ago.
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04-03-2007, 05:38 PM | #234 | ||
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Nope, haven't driven the 6-speed automatic. This whole thread is "thoughts and assumptions" mate, it's a forum. I don't see I have lost an argument, all I see is a poll tampered with (by some sissy), so no result can be taken. "Lost" : Yupe......I'm the real loser here because I prefer manuals....... : On that note time for a drive......lock the thread if you want it turned into a manual vs auto debate a while back. Opinion vs opinion will never go far.
ZF sounds great and I will take a test drive soon enough...not in any hurry. Well done to Ford for giving us two great transmissions. Sounds? I'll take both performance and sound. If I didn't like sounds I wouldn't be a fan of V8's either. Sound is a lot to me. Looks, sound & performance is a must and I won't own anything that hasn't got all three (and then some). Cheers!!!! ;)
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04-03-2007, 05:45 PM | #235 | ||
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Hear that? Listen closely! Its the sound of me closing another pointless thread.
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