The Crush Begins.........

[xbrules]

Originally Posted by montyv8

whats the difference between Pats "stationary torque assessment" ie doing a burnout in a suburban street, and some stooge in a vn smoking it up out in the middle of nowhere by edinburgh? Its ok because pat did it in an interceptor replica? lol i have a copy of that vid.. sure looks like 'hoon behaviour' to me..
And my original post was 95% sarcasm..

Other reasons for stockies on the back of commodores.. Lowered their cars a bit too much and their bling rims foul the guards? IRS chews out the tread on their 18's? stockies don't automatically = suicidal burnout maniac.

Oh yeah, there's plenty of places to partake in motorsport events in SA, hell they're everywhere! like Mallala, and.... and.... ummm
Not all of us want to race around a circuit. Or ride dirtbikes. Those of us that like to go fast in a straight line have to head for vic. Last two trips there for drag racing cost $1200-1500 each time.

I'm not condoning the behaviour of idiots, but before you continue your scratched-record rant of "there's plenty of places to go", come and live in SA and drive around in a heavily modified car, and look for an off-street 1/4 mile drag strip. I'll just whip up a time machine so you can go back a few years to where we are.

feel better? i'm just gonna give in on this one and keep me trap shut now, clearly i have struck a nerve (more than once).

[montyv8]

geez I only asked why its ok for a mate to do a skid in your street, but not for a random out the back of edinburgh? The rest of my post has nothing to do with that..

[DOC]

Originally Posted by Riksta

The problem is, the politicians at the moment are getting carried away with the law making process without any opposition whatsoever, where does it stop?.

Well the latest propaganda bull sheite on the news tonight in SA we are now taking away the warning signs for speed camera's and in addition the cars ( with the camera ) are having the windscreen protected with a layer of film ?

Now a few things wrong here that i can see, one is there never was a warning sign for speed camera's, as these were always placed after the camera, so to label the bloody thing a warning sign is political crapola, it should have been a thank you for paying our stupid road laws bill.

next if people are taking to these cars and smashing the windscreens of which they have done, does this not tell the politicians we have had a gutful of their crap speed cameras ? / bullsheite crap they rave on with

they claim to have now caught 600 plus hoons, they claim to have put up more police , cameras and increased fines, but to date we are still after all of this smoke and mirrors nearly double the road toll on last year.

yep i think they have it rite. I see a new camera going into the west side of the city going down toward the bridge from Adelaide high.

a downward slope where i am sure a few creep a few k's over the limit, cherry picking govt again, but i have never heard of or seen any crash there the whole time i have been here

all for laws and do not support on the road but if the govt is going to go Hitler on us then at least give the people an out and a track that they can go and test out their cars in a controlled environment.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by motionless_xe

If there was a professional looking template made it could be used by unhappy enthusiasts on all forums, if people on here are on another car website (be it ford mods, ls1, nissan silvia etc) and they forward it you could easily get your numbers.

you would not sed them to the pollies, they would just bin them, send them to the pollies via today tonight to present to rhantin mike albran, then they can run a story and a poll, then you might get some action

[Thankfull]

Permanent loss of licence....and auction the car off....proceeds to victims of crime.

The original offender not allowed to re purchase the vehicle....that about covers it.
I would hate to see a classic go to the crusher.

I think permanent loss of licence, even for a first offender, is a much bigger threat than car crushing....

Cheers all

[xbrules]

I know what will solve all of our problems, as soon as the weather starts to average over 20 degrees, lets get out there and have a cruise!!!!!!!! clearly the off season and ice cold night cruises are taking effect!!!!! and in response to your question phil, I DON"T KNOW!!! there IS NO difference between a post appocolyptic police car that's 40 years old and a 15 year old piece of junk driven by a derro from the back blocks who has his music music too loud and has most of his panels painted in Smithfield Racing Grey. They are both doing something irresponsible - except for one thing, one is mature, experienced, in a controlled environment - the other is a kid being a nuisance, in an unroadworthy dangerous car, potentially putting others at risk

Now let us end this conversation on a high! we are all getting too wound up over this issue (well a few of us are) Who's up for a cruise? who wants to get out there despite all the riff raff and political BS and have a good time? I know i sure as hell do!!! and as soon as my coupe is back from the painters and is fully reassembled i will be doing that every chance i get!!!!

[montyv8]

cool so its ok to do a burnout in a street in suburbia (a controlled environment??), If you're 40 and in a replica of a movie car. But not if its in primer, a few years old, and unroadworty. Oh wait, you didn't see the primered unroadworthy 15yo car, just some marks on the road. Jumping to conclusions a bit aren't we? Could've been someone in an FG.. who knows..

My point there is some kid who's in a low paid job, just driving from A-B in his primered VN which is his pride'n'joy, is going to get targeted, and people will automatically assume he's a hoon, because people associate random black marks with cars like that. not entirely fair i think?

As for Adelaide now, i posted a comment on there lastnight saying i drive a modified car that has excessive power for a street car, and have yet to kill anybody, and can controll myself.. and suprise suprise they didnt post it lol... But theres heaps of posts (hundreds) saying high powered cars are killers.
I'd almost put money on that being on the Advertisers 'to-do' list.. ban all cars over 2 litres..

[Riksta]

Originally Posted by DOC

you would not sed them to the pollies, they would just bin them, send them to the pollies via today tonight to present to rhantin mike albran, then they can run a story and a poll, then you might get some action

The problem is, the core audience of Today Tonight/ACA are the "hoon bashers", who see a car with a bodykit and instantly assume "hoon driver" (due to all the stories on their show!). Why would they do something in the perceived "hoon's" interest? Besides, I can easily see them using it to target straight back at us with a "why should you care? you must be a hoon, because if you did the right thing you'd have nothing to worry about" argument.

And yes, I do plan on making the letter very professional looking and not just a "ZOMG you can't crush our cars oh noes!!!!!!!" type thing.

Will suss out that previously written one provided and see what I can come up with. I'm thinking if we can all have them prepared and then over a weekend everyone post them so hopefully they all arrive around the same day.

Edit - or how about a cruise/protest? 200 cars out the front of Parliament House on North Terrace? ;)

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by Riksta

or how about a cruise/protest? 200 cars out the front of Parliament House on North Terrace? ;)

i think something along those lines may be in the works already

[Riksta]

Awesome, keep me posted, and I'll try come up with a letter for us all to send.

[FreddyDUZ747]

[QUOTE=montyv8]i think something along those lines may be in the works already [/QUOTE
aaaaargh exxxxcellent.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by montyv8

i think something along those lines may be in the works already

also as well, will unwrap the car to join in on this, lets just hope all parties can come together to form a united and strong front.

[xbrules]

Originally Posted by montyv8

My point there is some kid who's in a low paid job, just driving from A-B in his primered VN which is his pride'n'joy, is going to get targeted, and people will automatically assume he's a hoon, because people associate random black marks with cars like that. not entirely fair i think?

As for Adelaide now, i posted a comment on there lastnight saying i drive a modified car that has excessive power for a street car, and have yet to kill anybody, and can controll myself.. and suprise suprise they didnt post it lol... But theres heaps of posts (hundreds) saying high powered cars are killers.
I'd almost put money on that being on the Advertisers 'to-do' list.. ban all cars over 2 litres..

I can understand what you are saying about the occasional poor sod who will eventually get tarred with the same brush, he may be some poor kid who has been as you say scrimping and saving to get what he has done on his car and Joe Plod fresh out of the academy who has been briefed "to crack down on hoons" comes along and he gets done, that is unfortunate, it sucks that there are moronic people who chose to use those cars as they are cheap and they don't care if they wreck their cars or have them impounded going around making a bad reputation for the few who want to enjoy a quiet motoring life. like you say that is very unfair.

What the paper is doing now is almost a carbon copy of something we had 35 years ago the supercar scare where there stupid media stuck its nose in and made the government believe that the cars brimmed for bathurst were evil dangerous things only to be used by the elite fearing that young people (who clearly couldn't afford the colossal $752 ho option) would go out there be wreckless and kill themselves and others.the results were years of cars that had their performance leashs reigned in. anyways my point here is until about a year ago when the SAD-vertiser started printing hopeless articles about "evil wreckless hoons endangering lives" i saw a commodore with stockies on the back and just thought to my self "try harder mate". the stupid paper is just trying to make us come round to their view that all cars not totally stock are evil death carriges. sorry Mr. Murdoch no dice.

i am starting to come around to what you are saying and i know i have wasted a fair bit of thread space with my various ramblings and for that i am sorry, its just taken abit to get my point (be it a not very good one) across. my examples may not have been perfect but hey i have had a go at trying to get my thoughts across.

anyways the point at the end of all of this is if we just behave like normal, don't do anything stupid and "keep calm and carry on" we will be fine.

useless cops who haven't a clue are just an annoying factor we will have to deal with. they will always be there just like third reich mike who is just propping up his pension with speeding tickets and scrap metal money from crushed "hoon" cars. well hope you enjoy it while it lasts Mike cause you sure as hell ain't getting my vote!

ok no more ranting, no more arguing back, I grow tired of it, i promise from now on i will stick to my project thread and keep my nose out of motoring politics. i Blame it on the pensioners i spend my days working for at the capri, all they do is whinge and carry on and it has clearly rubbed onto me.

END OF RANT, THREAD PARTICIPATION, THE END!!!

[ILLaViTaR]

What a disgusting waste of resources.

[70caprigt3k]

As a multiple convicted hoon id like to say eff the hoon laws!

Who the hell came up with the word hoon anyways, its pretty homo.

That is all.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by 70caprigt3k

As a multiple convicted hoon id like to say eff the hoon laws!
Who the hell came up with the word hoon anyways, its pretty homo.
That is all.

the term hoon has probably been around longer than homo has been a term.

It was common back in the 70's at least that early to say you were going for a hoon around the block or to go for a hoon in the car, where that came / originated from i am not sure but it's meaning was not one of being an idiot or irresponsible, but more an enjoyable / fun drive.

where it evolved into a monster demon word for any driver that they wish to award it to i am not sure.

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by DOC

Well the latest propaganda bull sheite on the news tonight in SA we are now taking away the warning signs for speed camera's and in addition the cars ( with the camera ) are having the windscreen protected with a layer of film ?

Now a few things wrong here that i can see, one is there never was a warning sign for speed camera's, as these were always placed after the camera, so to label the bloody thing a warning sign is political crapola, it should have been a thank you for paying our stupid road laws bill.

next if people are taking to these cars and smashing the windscreens of which they have done, does this not tell the politicians we have had a gutful of their crap speed cameras ? / bullsheite crap they rave on with

they claim to have now caught 600 plus hoons, they claim to have put up more police , cameras and increased fines, but to date we are still after all of this smoke and mirrors nearly double the road toll on last year.

yep i think they have it rite. I see a new camera going into the west side of the city going down toward the bridge from Adelaide high.

a downward slope where i am sure a few creep a few k's over the limit, cherry picking govt again, but i have never heard of or seen any crash there the whole time i have been here

all for laws and do not support on the road but if the govt is going to go Hitler on us then at least give the people an out and a track that they can go and test out their cars in a controlled environment.

amazing huh? they asked for this saftey measure 3 months ago. nothing was done until they went on strike and said they were not going to man the camera's. BANG!! instant saftey measures. yup, definately got nothing to do with cash flow.....

and really journop's are complicit in this by not asking the hard questions and making pollies look like fools on tv.

[Ibrox90]

Originally Posted by montyv8

cool so its ok to do a burnout in a street in suburbia (a controlled environment??), If you're 40 and in a replica of a movie car. But not if its in primer, a few years old, and unroadworty. Oh wait, you didn't see the primered unroadworthy 15yo car, just some marks on the road. Jumping to conclusions a bit aren't we? Could've been someone in an FG.. who knows..

My point there is some kid who's in a low paid job, just driving from A-B in his primered VN which is his pride'n'joy, is going to get targeted, and people will automatically assume he's a hoon, because people associate random black marks with cars like that. not entirely fair i think?

As for Adelaide now, i posted a comment on there lastnight saying i drive a modified car that has excessive power for a street car, and have yet to kill anybody, and can controll myself.. and suprise suprise they didnt post it lol... But theres heaps of posts (hundreds) saying high powered cars are killers.
I'd almost put money on that being on the Advertisers 'to-do' list.. ban all cars over 2 litres..

I get targeted in my XR8 ALL the time. (except today when an HSV tried to drag me and the cops pulled me and him over, i got a pat on the back for having control, he los this license)

And whats this 2 litres nonsense. Are we talking about milk now??? lol

Originally Posted by montyv8
whats the difference between Pats "stationary torque assessment" ie doing a burnout in a suburban street, and some stooge in a vn smoking it up out in the middle of nowhere by edinburgh? Its ok because pat did it in an interceptor replica? lol i have a copy of that vid.. sure looks like 'hoon behaviour' to me..
And my original post was 95% sarcasm..

Other reasons for stockies on the back of commodores.. Lowered their cars a bit too much and their bling rims foul the guards? IRS chews out the tread on their 18's? stockies don't automatically = suicidal burnout maniac.

Oh yeah, there's plenty of places to partake in motorsport events in SA, hell they're everywhere! like Mallala, and.... and.... ummm
Not all of us want to race around a circuit. Or ride dirtbikes. Those of us that like to go fast in a straight line have to head for vic. Last two trips there for drag racing cost $1200-1500 each time.

I'm not condoning the behaviour of idiots, but before you continue your scratched-record rant of "there's plenty of places to go", come and live in SA and drive around in a heavily modified car, and look for an off-street 1/4 mile drag strip. I'll just whip up a time machine so you can go back a few years to where we are.

YEAH MAN Deloreans are cool XD


Seriously though who would be up for a MASSIVE cruise?? decent turn out would get it on the news hell the rebels did it.

Plus lets face it 100's of tough cars on a cruise would be awesome even if it came to nothing

[cob115]

Originally Posted by montyv8

cool so its ok to do a burnout in a street in suburbia (a controlled environment??), If you're 40 and in a replica of a movie car. But not if its in primer, a few years old, and unroadworty. Oh wait, you didn't see the primered unroadworthy 15yo car, just some marks on the road. Jumping to conclusions a bit aren't we? Could've been someone in an FG.. who knows..

My point there is some kid who's in a low paid job, just driving from A-B in his primered VN which is his pride'n'joy, is going to get targeted, and people will automatically assume he's a hoon, because people associate random black marks with cars like that. not entirely fair i think?

As for Adelaide now, i posted a comment on there lastnight saying i drive a modified car that has excessive power for a street car, and have yet to kill anybody, and can controll myself.. and suprise suprise they didnt post it lol... But theres heaps of posts (hundreds) saying high powered cars are killers.
I'd almost put money on that being on the Advertisers 'to-do' list.. ban all cars over 2 litres..

IM CONFUESD phill whats your problem ?????with me? david cos he made a mistake posting the vid? the world ?how about that time bhind bunnings in your coupe or the last cruze?,perhaps climb of the high horse for awhile,WHAT I DONE IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BIG DEAL,as for a young kid being pulled over cos hes driving a bogan car so? it certainly happend to me when i was a smart **** 16year old who didnt know how fast was to fast,my son will be 16 soon and driving with his mates,do i want the coppers to pull em over if there drag raceing with another car load of bogans or going nuts with other car loads of ning nongs?hell yeah !!seen a few people die over the years,mainly due tobeing young n silly and not knowing when its getting out of hand,dont know how you can connect some one like me who does what you do to some punk *** screaming down philip hwy doing over 120

[JamesR]

instead of crushing cars, why not impose ridiculous fines?
say 5-10k
surely THAT would be a deterrent..
more revenue for the state/ cars dont get crushed. win/win?

[GT69]

The problem with this whole issue, whether it be 'hooning' or whatever, is not the crime, its a phrase used called 'officers discretion'. Thats what outrages most people.You cant argue with a cop. JamesR. How would you like a 5 - 10K fine for something someone says you did? This is where the problem lies I believe. Fining street racers/burnout boys is fine, but innocent until proven guilty. Stock rims or primer is not an indication of hooning. Lowering a car isn't either.

You cant argue with a photo taken of your car with an alleged speed either, It might be completely provable that you were speeding, but 2 - 4 weeks after the event, do you really think people are going to remember if they were speeding or not?

It seems strange that, in the current world we live in (remember 7 years ago when mobile phones didn't have cameras, and everyone had 56k internet?) That we should also be living in a world of 70's law enforcement techniques. With 1850's 'take'em out and shoot'em' police mentality.

[Bakis]

Maybe a large fine for 5 - 10K and if cant produce the money within reasonable time sell the vehicle if driver owns it to help make up the money...

Loss of license wouldn't do crap, considering 1/2 the driving population don't have a driving license anyway.

Still need to make a set of clear cut rules to define hooning, and none that a person can argue about the technicalities of the rules.

None of this undo acceleration without speeding bull crap.

Mate just got done for failure to control vehicle and the was because his wheels chirped off the line on a uphill start. I always thought failure to control vehicle should be either, skating, drifting and burnouts.

Maybe the more excessive hooning laws get the penalty of loss of car, to either crusher or auction, i hope that's what the new law is going to be, not for something stupid like chirping second...

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by cob115

IM CONFUESD phill whats your problem ?????with me? david cos he made a mistake posting the vid? the world ?how about that time bhind bunnings in your coupe or the last cruze?,perhaps climb of the high horse for awhile,WHAT I DONE IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE BIG DEAL,as for a young kid being pulled over cos hes driving a bogan car so? it certainly happend to me when i was a smart **** 16year old who didnt know how fast was to fast,my son will be 16 soon and driving with his mates,do i want the coppers to pull em over if there drag raceing with another car load of bogans or going nuts with other car loads of ning nongs?hell yeah !!seen a few people die over the years,mainly due tobeing young n silly and not knowing when its getting out of hand,dont know how you can connect some one like me who does what you do to some punk *** screaming down philip hwy doing over 120

ffs. do you even read what i write? or just rant? I was trying to figure out the logic in why its apparently ok for you to do a skid in a suburban street in the middle of the arvo, but not ok for a random to do them out the back of edinburgh. Yeah i raced you out the back of bunnings. and i kicked your big block ***. I can't really see the harm in that, simply due to where it was. Won't be doing it again though, with all this 'hoon' crap going on..

I'm not on a high horse, soap box or whatever.. again i was just trying to figure out the reasoning behind the argument.. other than the 'post apocalyptic' coupe is allowed to do it man, cos its awesome man.. /end sarcasm...

[cob115]

Originally Posted by montyv8

ffs. do you even read what i write? or just rant? I was trying to figure out the logic in why its apparently ok for you to do a skid in a suburban street in the middle of the arvo, but not ok for a random to do them out the back of edinburgh. Yeah i raced you out the back of bunnings. and i kicked your big block ***. I can't really see the harm in that, simply due to where it was. Won't be doing it again though, with all this 'hoon' crap going on..

I'm not on a high horse, soap box or whatever.. again i was just trying to figure out the reasoning behind the argument.. other than the 'post apocalyptic' coupe is allowed to do it man, cos its awesome man.. /end sarcasm...

Im not the 1 ranting . u were going on about it so much i wanted to know what the prob was sorry for asking !!as for bunings apart from haveing a 429 v6 cos 2have so much blow buy ,all i can say is we need a race track to sort that one out :jab:

[DOC]

You pair of pussy's, anzac international raceway 6pm, I will be there in my toyota camry altise V6 and blow both of you away with a huge front wheel powerslide for the full 1/4.

we can then all stop at macca's and have a mchappyshake.

[cob115]

Originally Posted by DOC

You pair of pussy's, anzac international raceway 6pm, I will be there in my toyota camry altise V6 and blow both of you away with a huge front wheel powerslide for the full 1/4.

we can then all stop at macca's and have a mchappyshake.

your on ,il have a happy meal after

[montyv8]

Originally Posted by cob115

as for bunings apart from haveing a 429 v6 cos 2have so much blow buy ,all i can say is we need a race track to sort that one out :jab:

pfft... i beat you again at the gazzanats in the go to whoa.. on a 'track', proper lights and all Excuses don't win races :

[JamesR]

Originally Posted by GT69

JamesR. How would you like a 5 - 10K fine for something someone says you did?

to be honest, id prefer the fine then seeing my car crushed!

[Barry_v]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

So much paranoia...
Im sick of reading all the excuses.. there's plenty of motorsport venues and opportunities to enjoy your vehicle off road legally and safely, people are either too tight, too lazy or their vehicle is a POS to seek them out and participate, its easier to blame the govt and keep breaking the law then take the initiative yourself.

I wish I lived on your planet. come visit us in SA sometimes and point out all these motorsport venues we have.

[cob115]

Originally Posted by montyv8

pfft... i beat you again at the gazzanats in the go to whoa.. on a 'track', proper lights and all Excuses don't win races :

il race you again but only if you DONT have another tanty :baby bott