Bathurst 1000, what's going on??

[BENT_8]

Fair point mate, dont think i was condoning it though.
I totally agree with you and im sure there are people who would be scared by it.
All i was saying is that it was the worst behaviour i had witnessed and compared to some of the stories it seemed rather harmless.

I can understand why these people need to be pulled into line, if they do this type of stuff in broad daylight heaven knows how bad it would escalate in the cover of darkness.
Being a regular trackside spectator at Clipsal and thouroughly enjoying myself with half a dozen cans makes me wonder why these clowns even need 1 ctn per day to have a good time.
Ibet if they stopped all booze being brought into the area and charged $5 a tinny they would be alot less incidents yet still the opportunity for a good time.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

You can't see any problems with any of that?

Yeah there is lots i dont agree with in it but what can you do.
Limiting people to 1 ctn per person wont change a thing.
If you and i went together and took 2 ctns and i dont drink alcohol, we are allowed to take that much in, theres no stopping you from drinking both ctns, and the results would be the same.

The way i see it if you are going to go up there and camp then expect the worst, if you want to camp safely they have opened up that tent city for families.

[fmc351]

At the best of times I dont think that behavior is a good idea, but put it in context of one of those youtube clips and it takes on a whole new meaning.


People are just out of control, no idea of right and wrong. Big on complaining when socisety imposes its will on them, how dare it. Yet see no harm when they impose their will on someone else, all in fun. The hypocrisy of it astounds me, but the fact they cant even see that its hypocritical is far more concerning. If they saw the hypocrisy, they would know why they shouldnt do it.

Its unfortunate the booze needs to be rationed, we live in a country that is as free as any can be, these fools are ruining that. If old mate wants to drink himself silly I have no issue with it, its his life, his business, as long as he can control himself doing so, because then it becomes my business. Our rights stop at the next persons nose.

Originally Posted by BENT_8

The way i see it if you are going to go up there and camp then expect the worst, if you want to camp safely they have opened up that tent city for families.

So what youre saying is their right to act feral and criminal, supersedes my right to camp in that spot? Thats not a free country, thats an idiocracy.

Lots of Police is my thought, and if you act the clown in such a way, you spend time at her majesty's pleasure. How many coppers?, enough to do the job properly.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

So what youre saying is their right to act feral and criminal, supersedes my right to camp in that spot? Thats not a free country, thats an idiocracy.

Lots of Police is my thought, and if you act the clown in such a way, you spend time at her majesty's pleasure. How many coppers?, enough to do the job properly.

Unfortunately this is society as a whole, you dont have to be on top of Mount Panorama to experience it.
Even if they took away alcohol altogether i doubt it would prevent clowns from acting up, the alcohol usually just gives the less inclined enough courage to take part.
At the end of the day i doubt it will ever be curbed, lessened perhaps but never stopped.
My advice to any one visiting Bathurst for the race would be to camp clear of the top but go there to watch the race as its the best vantage point.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yeah there is lots i dont agree with in it but what can you do.
Limiting people to 1 ctn per person wont change a thing.
If you and i went together and took 2 ctns and i dont drink alcohol, we are allowed to take that much in, theres no stopping you from drinking both ctns, and the results would be the same.

The way i see it if you are going to go up there and camp then expect the worst, if you want to camp safely they have opened up that tent city for families.

Someone complained on the radio that the one carton rule would mean they'd have to sobber up to drive to town each day to buy another carton.... :togo:
A slab of cans is approximately 36 std drinks... im getting liver failure just thinking about it!
The way i see it is if they clean it up more people could go up the top to enjoy seeing the cars at that part of the track... it is after all a MOTORSPORT event.. not "Octoberfest.."

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Someone complained on the radio that the one carton rule would mean they'd have to sobber up to drive to town each day to buy another carton.... :togo:
A slab of cans is approximately 36 std drinks... im getting liver failure just thinking about it!
The way i see it is if they clean it up more people could go up the top to enjoy seeing the cars at that part of the track... it is after all a MOTORSPORT event.. not "Octoberfest.."

Like i said above, prevent them from bring alcohol into the area and charge like wounded bulls for cans cracked at the bar and all the problems will go away.
Honestly who do they think they are kidding thinking 1 ctn is reasonable for 1 person. I'm with you, the thought of 36 std drinks makes me feel dizzy without watching 31 cars go round in circles. : :

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Unfortunately this is society as a whole, you dont have to be on top of Mount Panorama to experience it.
Even if they took away alcohol altogether i doubt it would prevent clowns from acting up, the alcohol usually just gives the less inclined enough courage to take part.
At the end of the day i doubt it will ever be curbed, lessened perhaps but never stopped.
My advice to any one visiting Bathurst for the race would be to camp clear of the top but go there to watch the race as its the best vantage point.

The best of Mt Panorama, is the Mt... the rest is much like any track.

We are a society as a whole, with rules, rules that prohibit this kind of behavior. You really think that behavior is tolerated elsewhere? Would you want neighbours that acted like that everyday? Or would you do something about it?

Alcohol bans are in place in many parts of society, Bay 13 at the MCG was once a bastion, I believe you cant take an esky in anymore. I agree we shouldnt need to ban alcohol, but we should be putting the right number of Police there and accepting these clowns deserve to be carted for their actions. Supporting Police, not hindering and blaming them for some nonsense notion of a 'good time'. And if the spectators who are there, cant drink responsibly, then stating they cant drink is fair enough.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Someone complained on the radio that the one carton rule would mean they'd have to sobber up to drive to town each day to buy another carton.... :togo:
A slab of cans is approximately 36 std drinks... im getting liver failure just thinking about it!
The way i see it is if they clean it up more people could go up the top to enjoy seeing the cars at that part of the track... it is after all a MOTORSPORT event.. not "Octoberfest.."

Yeah but if you couldnt buy alcohol at australian sporting events you would half the crowd.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

The best of Mt Panorama, is the Mt... the rest is much like any track.

We are a society as a whole, with rules, rules that prohibit this kind of behavior. You really think that behavior is tolerated elsewhere? Would you want neighbours that acted like that everyday? Or would you do something about it?

Alcohol bans are in place in many parts of society, Bay 13 at the MCG was once a bastion, I believe you cant take an esky in anymore. I agree we shouldnt need to ban alcohol, but we should be putting the right number of Police there and accepting these clowns deserve to be carted for their actions. Supporting Police, not hindering and blaming them for some nonsense notion of a 'good time'. And if the spectators who are there, cant drink responsibly, then stating they cant drink is fair enough.

Sounds good in theory but who absorbs the cost of 300+ extra police officers?
Unfortunately i would say the average guy who buys a ticket with good intentions at heart.
Why should he suffer for a few tools, but then when does it stop, you want more police to stop the carnage up top, he wants to pay less to watch from pit straight.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Sounds good in theory but who absorbs the cost of 300+ extra police officers?
Unfortunately i would say the average guy who buys a ticket with good intentions at heart.
Why should he suffer for a few tools, but then when does it stop, you want more police to stop the carnage up top, he wants to pay less to watch from pit straight.

Police should be provided by the state, absorbed by every tax payer. The race generates income for the state, and its not like that many Police are needed every year. I cant stand the rent-a-cop concept. Police are assets of society, funded by society, provided to serve and protect society and they should be respected as such.

State governments selling off all its revenue creating assets, raising revenue through speed cameras, and short changing on services to make up the short fall. Its all going to hell in a handbasket, and no-one is awake to stop it. Sorry, its irks me big time.

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Yeah but if you couldnt buy alcohol at australian sporting events you would half the crowd.

So is your problem with that, the future of the event will be in doubt? As in less fans, so theyre less likely to run the event?

Keep letting drunks ruin it, and the event will stop for sure anyway. Theres very few revheads in parliament, plenty of Harold Scrubby's though.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Yeah but if you couldnt buy alcohol at australian sporting events you would half the crowd.

I doubt it... there are very strict alcohol controls at other events that keep selling out.. in any event im not a wowser.. everything in moderation, i don't even care if they write themselves off, as long as they behave, show some respect towards others and act civilised while they do it...

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Police should be provided by the state, absorbed by every tax payer. The race generates income for the state, and its not like that many Police are needed every year. I cant stand the rent-a-cop concept. Police are assets of society, funded by society, provided to serve and protect society and they should be respected as such.

State governments selling off all its revenue creating assets, raising revenue through speed cameras, and short changing on services to make up the short fall. Its all going to hell in a handbasket, and no-one is awake to stop it. Sorry, its irks me big time.


So is your problem with that, the future of the event will be in doubt? As in less fans, so theyre less likely to run the event?

Keep letting drunks ruin it, and the event will stop for sure anyway.

I totally agree with you, as members of society police should be there to protect us at these things. The problem is that so long as media outlets feed on the frenzy it will be thrust into the public eye and i can assure you there are a lot of motorsport hating tax payers out there who given the opportunity to object to the need for their dollars paying a few hundred officers to protect a few people, will gladly voice their opinions.
If the expenses aren't seen to be covered by admission then it will become an issue.
I cant see this type of crackdown only being a omce off, as soon as the police numbers decline the ferals will return.

[normxb]

I was reading a couple of sites this morning , Wow , what a change . I should have kept the sites (but kept some pics ). [SMH , The Age , V8 supercars , Telegraph]

One Girl & B/F interviewed , said that some of the Police had camped in a tent just down the row from them , other's said they were a little worried , but found out it was "completely different" . Police said everything was quite and orderly plus "a lot more families attended ".

Yes , there were family areas before , "down the bottom where you can see "squat" . On the mountain is "the best vantage viewing area" but it just wasn't safe , especially at night . so who got the "best seats in the house" , the Idiots . Now if it stays this way "everyone" can enjoy it .

Spoke to a local today who went to the mountain yesterday (Sun.) and he said he " didn't get Spat on , sprayed with beer , sworn at , abused , pushed or anything like he did 2 years ago" . What he did notice , there was 30-40% + more families & couples up there , it was a massive change .

He didn't see Police hassle anyone "except" one guy that a Police dog went "Ape <insert you own thoughts> over" and he was politely and quietly escorted away (guessed it was a drug dog) .

I showed him some pic's I found on the Net and he said "yep , that's what it was like "this year" , but not last time .





Police weren't very visible most of the time , but you knew they were there in case of any problems , said next year he's taking the family up there to camp if they have the same security .

I thought this was pretty cool if someone wanted to "do a runner"



Do you like the car ?

I think the "water canon" only had to be on the scene to let people know they were serious .

This "crackdown" should have happened years ago . If they keep it up , I think you'll find "the Mountain" will be "The Place To Be".

For anyone interested ( even though he's a Red Circle guy) I spoke to My Bro-in Law tonight & Dean Canto is fine . they don't know yet if he just got "too close to the wall or something broke on the car" , but he was knocked out . He's Ok now & drove back to Melbourne this morning .

Norm

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I totally agree with you, as members of society police should be there to protect us at these things. The problem is that so long as media outlets feed on the frenzy it will be thrust into the public eye and i can assure you there are a lot of motorsport hating tax payers out there who given the opportunity to object to the need for their dollars paying a few hundred officers to protect a few people, will gladly voice their opinions.
If the expenses aren't seen to be covered by admission then it will become an issue.
I cant see this type of crackdown only being a omce off, as soon as the police numbers decline the ferals will return.

Looking at Norms post Id say the large numbers might not be the only answer, creative Police work. See let em do their job, and they often rise to the occasion.

However, Id argue at the non-motorsport fans, why should I pay to protect their art gallery or other event they organise (not that I dont appreciate art, not that a lot of the stuff in many galleries is art). Why should my taxes fund the road outside their house? We do so because we are a society, and these things are spread across everyone via taxes, and for every law abiding purpose. These people you speak of, arent going to be any less vocal about the scenes in those videos.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

However, Id argue at the non-motorsport fans, why should I pay to protect their art gallery or other event they organise (not that I dont appreciate art, not that a lot of the stuff in many galleries is art). Why should my taxes fund the road outside their house? We do so because we are a society, and these things are spread across everyone via taxes, and for every law abiding purpose. These people you speak of, arent going to be any less vocal about the scenes in those videos.

I guess the arguement would be that there isnt 200 hooligans burning down tents and throwing petrol bombs at the artwork.
It's a case of 'if the spectators dont respect the spectacle why should the people who are uninteresred foot the bill'
As for the videos, i doubt many people who dont go to the event would care less whats going on up there, if it aint happening there it will be somewhere else in Aus....Down the beach perhaps.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I guess the arguement would be that there isnt 200 hooligans burning down tents and throwing petrol bombs at the artwork.
It's a case of 'if the spectators dont respect the spectacle why should the people who are uninteresred foot the bill'
As for the videos, i doubt many people who dont go to the event would care less whats going on up there, if it aint happening there it will be somewhere else in Aus....Down the beach perhaps.

Until its one of their grandkids who lose an eye, then them and everyone on the genealogy forum will be emailing Harold Scrubby and whoever else needs a cause. Maybe a rape is reported, or a death or whatever, its not out of the realm of possibilities, Id say its a miracle it never happened.

Id be interested in seeing how large a portion of the spectators are involved, your post implies its a majority. Im not saying thats what you are doing, Im just pointing out the counter argument.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Until its one of their grandkids who lose an eye, then them and everyone on the genealogy forum will be emailing Harold Scrubby and whoever else needs a cause. Maybe a rape is reported, or a death or whatever, its not out of the realm of possibilities, Id say its a miracle it never happened.

Id be interested in seeing how large a portion of the spectators are involved, your post implies its a majority. Im not saying thats what you are doing, Im just pointing out the counter argument.

It would be hard to say what the percentage would be but a couple of hundred tools, and im judging by the claims of large police numbers that it's more than just a handful, would not be a great percentage of the daytime crowd up there.

Those pics in the thread above look all calm and such but i can recall seeing some of those pop up marques with no coverings on them during the race.
I would suggest that they didn't just put up the frame work so i figure something happened to them.

[XWildGT]

Just got back from Bathurst and it was a lot different this year some good some bad
bad
less on track entertanment day
driver apperences in pit lane where less
lic area down the bottom (could not walk around with a can)
could not get a esky on the bus to get up top (had to walk from chase to gate 5) near killed us
alot harder for a sigurtures
good
Fords won
didnt have to worry about stray fireworks
better shuttle bus services
oh did i say fords won
no real d##k h##ds
and again ford won
good weather

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I doubt it... there are very strict alcohol controls at other events that keep selling out.. in any event im not a wowser.. everything in moderation, i don't even care if they write themselves off, as long as they behave, show some respect towards others and act civilised while they do it...

There is very strict rules on alcohol consumption here in s.a at football park and the afl has admitted that it has had a negative impact on crowds,no alcohol in the outer is one of the main rules which prevents you from taking a beer back to your seat,the end result is people drinking more at the bar and being just as pi#%ed when they get back to there seat.

Like you say it is not about how much people drink provided they can control themselves and show respect towards other people, I am the first to admit that I drink excesively at sporting events but have never once engaged in the sort of behaviour we se at the top of the mountain,the problem is everyone reacts differanly to alcohol and some people go feral,policeing who is and isnt going to turn feral is an impossible task.

Australia as a society is dependant on alcohol,we cant have a good time without it,we arnt men if we cant neck tinnies of vb,just about every social event in this country particularly sporting events are majorly sponsored by alcohol,in some cases only alcohol,I dont think they would react to well if alcohol was prohibited from there events.

Its hard to no what the answer is,but a strong police presents at events like bathurst is a good start to stopping these morons.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Australia as a society is dependant on alcohol,we cant have a good time without it,we arnt men if we cant neck tinnies of vb,just about every social event in this country particularly sporting events are majorly sponsored by alcohol,in some cases only alcohol,I dont think they would react to well if alcohol was prohibited from there events.

Its hard to no what the answer is,but a strong police presents at events like bathurst is a good start to stopping these morons.

Sad state of affairs isnt it...

Isnt it ironical that the "elite" sporting people we flock to see perform at these sporting events cannot drink before or during these events? in particular motorsport and motoring in general is promoted as strictly alcohol free.. and that most of these elite athletes would be non drinkers.. or light drinkers at best....
Ive just never been able to understand the rational of drinking at sporting events.. i prefer to be able to watch, absorb and enjoy it "uninhibited"...

[Outbackjack]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sad state of affairs isnt it...

Isnt it ironical that the "elite" sporting people we flock to see perform at these sporting events cannot drink before or during these events? in particular motorsport and motoring in general is promoted as strictly alcohol free.. and that most of these elite athletes would be non drinkers.. or light drinkers at best....
Ive just never been able to understand the rational of drinking at sporting events.. i prefer to be able to watch, absorb and enjoy it "uninhibited"...

I agrre with you there. But have you ever tried to cook a BBQ, or go fishing without a cold beer!!!! It can't be done I tells ya!!

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Outbackjack

I agrre with you there. But have you ever tried to cook a BBQ, or go fishing without a cold beer!!!! It can't be done I tells ya!!

I agree, there's a time and place for everything.. i guess i take my sport very seriously...

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Sad state of affairs isnt it...

Isnt it ironical that the "elite" sporting people we flock to see perform at these sporting events cannot drink before or during these events? in particular motorsport and motoring in general is promoted as strictly alcohol free.. and that most of these elite athletes would be non drinkers.. or light drinkers at best....
Ive just never been able to understand the rational of drinking at sporting events.. i prefer to be able to watch, absorb and enjoy it "uninhibited"...

You only have to listen to the beer gutted army of men at the footy every week stuffing beer and pies down there throats,as they hurl abuse at professional athletes,this pretty much some's up the mentality of most sports fans.

[xwgasaxe]

I was on the banked hill at Sulman park on Sat and Sunday and only saw motorsport enthusiasts having a ripping good time, Even the traditional Red Vs Blue banter was in good spirit.

Finished off the day in pit straight by jumping the fence after the safety car had given the green light and sprinting like hell down pit lane.
I was standing about 2 metres from the baricade under the podium and Jim Stone is casually pushing through the crowd and I stand aside, Give him a pat on the back, He then politely asks this pretty ****ed young bloke infront of me if he can move through and this bloke looks at him strangely and is mutering something about why should he, I filled him in on who that was and the cheering continued.

Had a blast, Got covered in dirt from head to toe watching from the hill, Enjoyed my regulated quantity of alcohol and am finally glad to have experienced the magic that the mountain offers.

Win on Sunday, Happy on Monday.

[xe351]

Originally Posted by FORD3V

Yeah but if you couldnt buy alcohol at australian sporting events you would half the crowd.

it may, it may not. I would be more likely to go to alcohol free events and take the missus. I would think you would be more likley to get more families there, and create a more friendly atmosphere.

[FORD3V]

Originally Posted by xe351

it may, it may not. I would be more likely to go to alcohol free events and take the missus. I would think you would be more likley to get more families there, and create a more friendly atmosphere.

This may be the case with some sports, but the majority of motorsport fans are male and alot of them are booze artists,so motorsport and beer go hand in hand.

[MOTIV8]

Originally Posted by Go baby Go

Hubby ironically rang me earlier (he is at bathurst) and mentioned how there are a heap more women and kids there ....

Yep, as GBG said I was up there and it was great.... OK there was police walking around in groups of 5 to 8, marked and unmarked cars 'patrolling' around as the police presence was huge!!

Well done to the NSW Police and Bathurst Council for a combined effort to rid the mountain of unneccessary behaviour. The majority of the people that I spoke to were of the same opinion and didnt mind being subject to a vehicle inspection or breath test each time they returned to the mountain......... or even leaving it sometimes. Just as most of the reports that people have seen in the media, well that is the media they will only select the bits and pieces that they use (I should know as I work in the industry....) such as everyone complaining. I did not see too many comments of people thinking that it was for the better.

I have been camping on the mountain for a few years now and am looking forward to next year as can only envisage that they will be alot more families camping on the mountain and of course that FORD will win three years in a row........................Rock on 2008 - who knows GBG may even come back to camping at the mountain

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by bbcoota

Fords won
and again ford won

Only twice?!

BAN HIM!!

[WAXBFAR]

Norm[/QUOTE]

Well ,I'll be dammed, were in da paper.
Thank heavens ,I am just out of that picture.
Sulman Park , Wayno's World with all the paintings and not to forget the waterblaster. :

[xwgasaxe]

I was sitting about 4 metres in front of that picture and everyone around there was pretty well behaved, One bloke even lent me his shovel to dig bum grooves in the hill for my mates and I.