Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[cram_it_frog]

2014 news item


tCountries searching for the missing Malaysian plane have yet to agree on how to share costs, an Australian search leader said Tuesday

[Bobman]

That and there were Australians on board as well!

[Falcman0o7]

Its sitting on the bottom of the ocean intact waiting to be found.

[thehammer]

got a fair bit of experience in aviation, and I tell ya one thing, it's suss

the transponder was deliberately turned off, and the aircraft was deliberately flown somewhere after this happened, there is no doubt about it

so either it was pilot "suicide", hijacked mid-air, or manipulated via ground computers

pilot suicide theory: it would explain a lot, a controlled crash into the ocean could leave very little floating wreckage, an uncontrolled crash would leave lots of it, but no evidence of pilot suicide other than it would explain so oddities

hijacked theory: unlikely, as a hijacking would have motive, and since no demands or targets have been identified would mean the hijackers accidently crashed, leaving obvious wreckage somewhere, most likely near land

ground manipulated: the aircraft could be "hijacked" via ground computer hacking, maybe flown to a military aerodrome, or deliberately crashed, for what reason is unclear

whatever the case, it is very very suss, this was no ordinary plane crash

[cram_it_frog]

has any one else heard about a new item last week of some wreckage of some sort washed up on WA beach it was being sent off for identification

I personally recon this is how we will find it the WA coast has a massive current I think it is called the Leeuwin current and this washing items down the coast onto beaches

[CJR09]

it was one of the airline hand towels still in its wrapper sent off for id...

[Ruination]

It was found in cervantes, a town that has a huge amount of tourists pass through because of the pinnacles. I believe the chances that this towel was just from some random tourist is higher than it washing up from mh 370.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Its a bit out there but I believe it was hijacked and then shot down by americans as It was posing a threat .Search deliberately misled to wrong position while the mess was cleaned up.

Cough, cough,

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by kazawaki

Its a bit out there but I believe it was hijacked and then shot down by americans as It was posing a threat .Search deliberately misled to wrong position while the mess was cleaned up.

A 'bit' out there?

That's so far out it's almost back in again!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

A 'bit' out there?

That's so far out it's almost back in again!

Well they did accidentally shoot down a passenger jet in the past

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Well they did accidentally shoot down a passenger jet in the past

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Did they cover it up?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Did they cover it up?

They denied it at first, and they claimed they have no legal responsibility over the incident, even though they were in Iranian waters when they shot it down, does that count?

I'm not saying the USA did something to MH370 but they did make a mistake in the past.

[XR Martin]

They never denied it, they denied being in Iranian waters.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

I'm not saying the USA did something to MH370 but they did make a mistake in the past.

The Russians have done worse, maybe it was them.

[Bobman]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1227306641020

Transport Ministers from Australia, China and Malaysia have agreed to extend the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 by a further 60,000 sq km if a search of the current high priority area fails to find the missing plane.

A meeting in Kuala Lumpur today between Deputy Prime Minister Warren Truss, Malaysian Transport Minister Liow Tiong Lai and Chinese Transport Minister Yang Chuantang also agreed to set the groundwork for a recovery operation if the plane is found.

This is good news that it won't just be stopped by May.

[cram_it_frog]

this is good news but in this present economic times can we afford to search every square inch of the Indian ocean

The Government keep saying we are broke and there is cuts in almost every level of government

It is not a easy decision but some one has to say stop we cannot find this aircraft and may be in time we may find more information or wreckage

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

this is good news but in this present economic times can we afford to search every square inch of the Indian ocean

The Government keep saying we are broke and there is cuts in almost every level of government

That's how political parties get elected, by saying (repeatedly) that there's a massive problem and that only they can fix it.

We can't afford not to find the cause of the loss of MH370.

[cram_it_frog]

yes true but the government does come up with I we are broke but across the board are cutting services and many government programs are being cut

they are under a obligation to search but some where down the track some one has to make a decision

I would not like to be the one

[CoupeKing]

I wonder how much of that ocean floor has been mapped with any accuracy? Primary objective is obviously to locate the plane, but I can't help but think how excited any ocean geologists would be with all the new data. Actually surprised they havn't discovered and ship-wrecks yet.

[Romulus]

http://time.com/3977811/possible-mh370-debris/

[cram_it_frog]

It is ironic twist of fate that on the day the debry was washed up Russia voted against the UN inquiry into the other Malaysian aircraft crash

people have found bottles that had been in the ocean for many years with messages inside

this is great news now the job is working out what this wreckage is from

[Mesa]

A large panel like that would possibly still have the servicing tags still riveted on which will help identify the aircraft it came from. The hard part would be working out where it floated from based on tidal information.

[mik]

Just a question for our resident aircraft guru`s , other than normal part numbers on some parts do aircraft have any special identifying marks like data dots or anything to tell if say for example a piece of fuselage or something was to turn up on a beach ?

obviously they can tell a jumbo from a cesna and identify black boxes if found, , but if 3 jumbos from the same company came down in an area would they be able to say this piece of panel comes from specifically no 1,2, or 3. ?

[FPV414]

Most major components of an aircraft have various tags and prints on them with things like dates, checks, QA related stuff on them. I know from working in an Airline that just one side of an actual aircraft door has around 4 identifying marks on it - from the actually locking slot / mechanism, to a QA tag and then general printing on the frame.

I would think a piece like that, which is made up of several pieces to make up a major wing component, would have half a dozen or so markings which could easily identify which aircraft it came from.

This picture compares the piece to a technical drawing of a "flaperon" from a 777:



Sorry I couldn't find a complete picture, someone else may be able to.

If indeed it can be confirmed just by looking at the picture the part is from a 777, and isn't a part shared with any other Boeing aircraft, you could pretty much say it'd have to be MH370 as there have not been any other 777 losses at sea.

[FPV414]

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/6462442/

[CoupeKing]

Wonder if it was deployed when it hit the water.

[BENT_8]

I tell you what, of all the debris that could finally wash up from MH370, arent we lucky it was a piece unique to 777's and not just some random piece of airframe...

Chances are the only identifying marks will confirm it is a 777, but unfortunately not which frame it was from, at which point we will be told that as MH370 is the only 777 missing it must be it. Case closed.

I wonder if they retrieved the 'flaperons' from MH17.

[FPV414]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I tell you what, of all the debris that could finally wash up from MH370, arent we lucky it was a piece unique to 777's and not just some random piece of airframe...

Chances are the only identifying marks will confirm it is a 777, but unfortunately not which frame it was from, at which point we will be told that as MH370 is the only 777 missing it must be it. Case closed.

I wonder if they retrieved the 'flaperons' from MH17.

Can see exactly where you're coming from, and would tend to have my doubts too if these parts can't definitively be identified as from 9M-MRO.

[Bobman]

Any chance it could be from SAA 295 Boeing 747 in 1987?

Hoping this is from MH370 though, for the families.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Any chance it could be from SAA 295 Boeing 747 in 1987?

Hoping this is from MH370 though, for the families.

I'm thinking out loud here but 'not a chance'.

It would have been totally covered in green algae and the build up of sea creatures would be much thicker.

I think this is from MH370 personally.