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We will see what next months numbers show. I have an issue with bull****ters, not Tesla itself. They do themselves no favours continually being loose with the truth. |
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If some idiot reporter didn't read it right or is trying to be silly, for the extra clicks, that's on them. The number is accurate in this thread as well. 4417 YTD 3097 March It's not rocket science. So you won't accept you got that wrong I take it? Why am I not surprised Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Post proof if you are that in the know, and i'll retract my statement if true. |
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So March was 3097 and Jan and Feb made 1320. April should be around that 1000 number with delays they've had. But again, what does next month have to do with this result? Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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You also avoided this comment from the article that basically says the same, meaning the 3097 could include a bucket load of February figures as all are dependent upon when the ship came in !!. "Tesla doesn’t have consistent monthly tallies because customer orders tend to be delivered in gluts or batches" https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...orolla-and-i30 |
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![]() it doesn't matter when the car is ordered. Nor when the ship arrives. Just how many they deliver to customers in the month. So even if the ships turn up once a quarter, the sales numbers for March stay the same. Hence the two numbers. I'll spell it out for you again. 4417 YTD 3097 March. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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So it made 3097 because of a one off big shipment and if you average the numbers its 1472 a month this year so far.
The real reason tesla hasn't been supplying consistent figures ( I'm an insider ) is because they were actually counting them as an electrical appliance you plug into your house so hidden in with fridge and washing machine sales. ![]()
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it doesn't matter when the car is ordered. Nor when the ship arrives. Just how many they deliver to customers in the month. if the ships turn up once a quarter, the sales numbers for March stay the same. So you're saying if a ship only turns up in one quarter, eg March with say 5000 cars on board all ordered since 1 January they will all be treated as being March sales as that's when they landed and were registered. Thus, no Vfacts sales should have been or can be recorded for Jan or Feb. So as you describe there could be months when Tesla may have to record no sales as a ship didn't arrive in that month. Correct ? Again I refer you to this quote from the article you made reference to. "Tesla doesn’t have consistent monthly tallies because customer orders tend to be delivered in gluts or batches" Unless it is absolutely gospel that a ship docked during a particular month and all its cars were delivered in that month and given your quote, "..........Their ships don't come in monthly." thus without ships every month Tesla CANNOT provide a valid MONTHLY sales figure and the above quote applies. Correct ? Last edited by ozrunner; 08-04-2022 at 11:31 PM. |
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VFacts is not based on registrations. It’s based on manufacturers voluntarily reporting their retail and fleet sales. It’s an honour system regarding accuracy of reported numbers.
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I'm thinking... Gone are the days when they'll have unordered/unsold cars at dealers, where you can make a deal, rather than pay the (possibly inflated) full price.
I hope I'm wrong. But we're going to have to average out the numbers here, and wait, before pointing any fingers I guess. |
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Maybe we need to find a way of counting the number of vehicles a dealership actually hands over to a real buyer…as in gets the keys and drives out only to return for first service or a warranty job
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Mercedes, Lexus, Ferrari, Lambo, "insert brand here", literally all don't get regular monthly deliveries (bar maybe Toyota). So they don't count?! Seriously... No cure for what you have. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Is now a good time to mention how boring and ugly Tesla interiors are?
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"Seriously... No cure for what you have." Really, newsflash just for your brain. Ford and others in Oz carry a stock of cars that are distributed to individual dealers for showroom stock, demo's and immediate sales. Those stocks are periodically replenished including any specific orders and the remaining stocks held in holding yards and distributed to dealers as required. Thus consistent accurate registered "sale" figures are able to be provided for each month as per your statement below along with your self appraisal. Quote:
Tesla has STORES with no available STOCK with maybe an example or two to just look at if you're lucky. You cannot buy a Tesla from this store and take it home that day or the next as they don't have any!!!. You can ONLY ORDER one and when a ship comes to town you will get it. Correct ? Can you now see the difference or do you still need more help. Ford and others can give correct monthly sales (via actual registrations) as they have actual cars on hand to sell, register and count for that month. Tesla stores DO NOT have any cars on hand to actually sell direct, register and count so its monthly figure relies on when a ship arrives notwithstanding that it may also contain cars that were also ordered in preceding months. As you yourself have stated they don't get 12 ships a year thus unless they do it means unlike Ford et al they cannot provide accurate monthly figures as theirs will always be tainted. Correct ? |
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I’m beginning to think that a of late, all vehicle importers are the same as Tesla in that they have very little dealer stock and most of the ships arrive with already sold vehicles. It’s only for the fact of regular monthly shipping deliveries that all the non-Tesla brands have consistently monthly reporting. Tesla clearly needs to book more ships to reduce its wait times.
Heard a nasty rumour that either Q4 or Q1 2023, Tesla revenue is expected to equal or surpass Ford, that is a huge effort if it happens. The irony of that is Tesla is making almost all of its revenue and profits off the compact car and SUV segments where Ford and GM don’t seem to make much profit, so this looks to be taking profit more from German premium brands and the likes of Acura and Lexus? Last edited by jpd80; 09-04-2022 at 02:03 PM. |
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You're starting to embarrass yourself with you lack of understanding here. Anyway, as others have pointed out, you have no idea what you're on. Like I said, if I go to Ford and ask for a Mustang today, chances are they WONT have a car in stock and it will have to be ordered. You can't understand your own argument. Most brands now require you to order and you won't get a car off the floor anymore because they simply don't have stock and want to keep their demos. FORD DONT HAVE 12 MUSTANG ships a year!
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Everyone said, Wait till the Euros arrive. Well, they did. And they couldn't build at the same price point. Heck, Tesla are flogging them in their home ground. Giga Berlin will be a game changer for supply. So either there are millions and millions of fanboi's as people claim... or just maybe, they have a decent product that is exactly what a lot of the market is looking for at this moment.
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So given it was reported in an article sometime ago that Tesla only ships sold cars and only ships them when the ship allocation is full you are confirming that in normal circumstances, ie no covid or chip shortage, Tesla's inventory is made up of cancelled orders ?
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I put money on an iX BMW but won't go ahead with it after seeing the EQS SUV. That car is still on order because the dealer wanted stock and asked me not to cancel just yet cause BMW will only send what has been purchased at the moment. Makes sense to only ship when the ship is full. Do other mass manufacturers set sail without a full load? Just stop for a moment. Stop digging yourself into a hole. Read what you're trying to say. See that others are saying that you've got it wrong. And see your misunderstanding. ![]() Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Actually, we know that some small amount orders fall over, they either become dealer inventory or
get offered to people waiting in line who want a similar vehicle that hasn’t been built yet. Either way you slice it, whenever you have more buyers than available vehicles, there’s no discounting and a fairly long ordering line. Manufacturers know that if you keep buyers hungry, they pay full price. |
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You just can't help yourself and have to always resort to pathetic innuendo's to dodge a question or admit you're on shaky ground. Well remember you've set the goalposts
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Ok... Of course there might be zero months. I literally said that and so have others. Doesn't change the March number. Literally mentioned that Jan and Feb only generated 1320 sales combined.
Your claim that if you can't have cars every month, then any month total doesn't count is absurd as has been noted by others here. You're probably headed for a holiday from the forum anyway. Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk
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Should be a flood of cheaper electric vehicles soon, so far only the chinese have been using LiFep04 in their cars (they have a disregard for patents...LOL)...but this will change this year as the patent rights expire in 2022.
The company that has had the patent on LiFeP04 chemistry and has never used it apart from royalties? BASF A big benefit is it doesn't catch on fire...well not nearly as much...
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Sold out thread title, they are BTO no, they never worked the way of the typical OE even though covid has changed supply so much nowadays. Just as a matter of interest re T units sold. I expect Kypez will say otherwise for I mentioned this before in another thread sometime ago, the Aftermarket Industry I'm in use's this software sourcing SKU#'s (spare parts) by Vin # or by Rego # to supply to the Trade and Retail...... https://autoinfo.com.au/wp/oscarcatalogue/ It relys on the monthly Gov data from RMS's etcetc.... Are they suspect figures ? I would expect not unlike the VFACTs "honour" process. Most companies in the game use this software daily, aid for sales and data use. I got one of my staff to do a blanket Tesla VIO check (Vehicles In Operation) in other words, registered vehicles. He looked up incl NZ might I add. So combined Model 3 < by far the largest numbers Model S Model X Roadster Incl NZ Total rego's = 27,542 Teslas registered. Australia is at 22,268 regoed NZ 5,274 regoed. This figure prob hasn't updated the March units ?? still no big deal. Tesla combined market share Aus/NZ 0.151% Matter of interest VIO's of all hatchbacks/sedans/SUV's incl NZ = 18M,254,673.000 That 18M+ doesn't even incl Dual Cabs other type of commercials etcetc might I add I asked just for general fred daly day to day transport. Read into it what you like.
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I'm Curious to hear both Kmav & kypez's Take on this .??
https://www.drive.com.au/news/tesla-...-owed-refunds/ |
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