Nissan GT-R Stigma/Attitude? - Page 3

SteveJH · 21-03-2012, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TC200six

What will happen again? I assume you mean the Bathurst 12 hour right? Nissan have a long way to go in getting a GT-R model fast enough to beat some of the other GT-class cars getting around there. Also, they need to sink quite alot of money in getting a competitive enough team and drivers

Thats all about what its designed to do though. I think you'll find the GT-R (stock) is quicker than a 911 or DBS around a race track, but those cars *are* raced in GT3 championships.

The catch is that to be raced in those championships, Nissan would have to Homologate a RWD version of the GT-R, possibly with an N/A V8 engine.

Basically they'd have to do an Analog of the Audi R8 LMS edition.

Windsor342ci · 22-03-2012, 12:32 AM

I dnt know what there is to hate about them. Ive been blessed enough to have a go in one of these beats and it was pure bliss! Id own a R35 no questions asked.

**ebxr8240** · 22-03-2012, 12:38 AM

They race them in a U.S series against Porsche's, Mazda's, Ford GT's, Corvettes etc

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CRYHSV

I dnt know what there is to hate about them. Ive been blessed enough to have a go in one of these beats and it was pure bliss! Id own a R35 no questions asked.

Once again I'm not hating them >.<

Just those are who as said "hellbent" on thinking it's completely indestructible

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Originally Posted by 4RD4TW

What doesn't look promising? Nissan abiding by the rules?

Educate yourself about how Nissan came to be entering V8SC before jumping to completely stupid conclusions

Conclusions is what you just jumped too, I wasn't talking about that at all.

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Not being mean, but you sound like one of the kids on youtube you are talking about.

Godzilla earned it's place in history. People will always be unable to keep it in perspective and make outlandish claims and get carried away, but for me my GTR was the best car ownership of my life. 10 x better than the sterile GT I now own or the next cheapest equivalent back in the 90's

Once again I'm not hating the car -.-

The cars are fine, but they aren't simply the best, and this is what I'm getting at with people basically saying they are.

2011G6E · 22-03-2012, 06:33 AM

Nothing is completely indestructible given a creatively abusive operator...

But seeing the way some tools "use" their old Skylines, I'd have to say it speaks pretty highly of the way they're built that they keep on plugging along for years.

...even if the 2JZ is a better motor...

Cheese3 · 22-03-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOrangeSpider

Once again I'm not hating the car -.-

The cars are fine, but they aren't simply the best, and this is what I'm getting at with people basically saying they are.

Thats a massive call saying it aint the best, no car can is the best as everything has flaws, but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

If the GT-R had a ferrari badge on it, it would be hailed as the best car ever with a million dollar price tag. The only stigma in this thread is people can't see beyond the nissan badge.

wrongwaynorris · 22-03-2012, 08:45 AM

I dnt know what there is to hate about them.

The Average waynekers that own them .

Nikked · 22-03-2012, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

The catch is that to be raced in those championships, Nissan would have to Homologate a RWD version of the GT-R, possibly with an N/A V8 engine.

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already done,

there is a GT class GT-R, with a 5.6V8...the same block that will be used in the supercars...

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

Thats a massive call saying it aint the best, no car can is the best as everything has flaws, but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

If the GT-R had a ferrari badge on it, it would be hailed as the best car ever with a million dollar price tag. The only stigma in this thread is people can't see beyond the nissan badge.

Whoops I was pretty sure I had revised that statement.

But what I'm trying to say anyway is that most GTR fans will go "Oh nothing beats a R35 in a drag race for it's price"

I go get an XR6T mod it, done..

They then say "Oh well, that doesn't mean anything, for the price and from a stand still using the R35's AWD system, you have nothing"

XR6T modded does what, 10 down the quarter for less then 90k, or I believe in Australia 140k...

Then it goes to "Oh well R35 is best around the track for it's price"

And yeah sure that's true, but I don't believe anyone has modded any cars to try and contest that claim.

This is just an attitude I see towards it.

And previously said, a lot of them will argue "Modded vs Stock" but then when it's a Modded Skyline vs Bugatti, it's all "Bugatti is slow, why pay a million dollars when a Skyline beats it" without having any knowledge of the differences in the cars...

Suppose it just frustrates me there is numb skulls who only see their side whether or not it's truth.

SteveJH · 22-03-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

already done,

there is a GT class GT-R, with a 5.6V8...the same block that will be used in the supercars...

Fairly sure the Japanese GT500 regs are considerably different from FIA GT3 and GT-1 regs.

Nic85 · 22-03-2012, 07:49 PM

This whole thing about, "You can get an XR6T to do a 10 second quarter for under $90k." Who cares? I can buy a Datsun 120Y shell and put a chook cooker in it and run 9's for under $20k.

I think the stigma attached to the car tends to come from the bad eggs who drive them, and the youtube fan boys are just that, youtube fan boys. Most aren't even old enough to drive yet, and the ones that are, are ignorant enough to form an opinion of a car they most likely have not even driven!

SteveJH · 22-03-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

And yeah sure that's true, but I don't believe anyone has modded any cars to try and contest that claim.

Something like an Evo or WRX STI shouldn't be too hard to get to a state where they'll beat a stock GT-R around a track.

I'd hate to see what you'd have to do to something like a Falcadore though to get it up to that sort of speed and durability.

Nic85 · 22-03-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Something like an Evo or WRX STI shouldn't be too hard to get to a state where they'll beat a stock GT-R around a track.

I'd hate to see what you'd have to do to something like a Falcadore though to get it up to that sort of speed and durability.

Evo X with exhaust + tune (230kwatw), semis, brakes and a good set of coilovers would come close I would think. Should do probably 1:05's around Wakefield. Now if you wanna talk an Evo 6 TME, 2.3L stroker, FP black, 272's, brakes, tyres and suspension then you're talking maybe 1:03's. Presumably with an expert driver, of course.

There's a video on youtube of an American car review place trying to beat a stock GTR with an Evo 10 (modified) around Willow Springs I think. From memory they got pretty close with some simple mods.

XR6Naranja · 22-03-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Something like an Evo or WRX STI shouldn't be too hard to get to a state where they'll beat a stock GT-R around a track.

I'd hate to see what you'd have to do to something like a Falcadore though to get it up to that sort of speed and durability.

Would be interesting, another thing that they'd have to find an excuse for, I'd say if it was done to a Falcon or Commodore, most of the parts in it wouldn't be original anymore, just the body.

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Originally Posted by Nic85

This whole thing about, "You can get an XR6T to do a 10 second quarter for under $90k." Who cares? I can buy a Datsun 120Y shell and put a chook cooker in it and run 9's for under $20k.

I think the stigma attached to the car tends to come from the bad eggs who drive them, and the youtube fan boys are just that, youtube fan boys. Most aren't even old enough to drive yet, and the ones that are, are ignorant enough to form an opinion of a car they most likely have not even driven!

Yeah basically, the the XR6T thing was just an example.

SteveJH · 22-03-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nic85

Evo X with exhaust + tune (230kwatw), semis, brakes and a good set of coilovers would come close I would think. Should do probably 1:05's around Wakefield. Now if you wanna talk an Evo 6 TME, 2.3L stroker, FP black, 272's, brakes, tyres and suspension then you're talking maybe 1:03's. Presumably with an expert driver, of course.

There's a video on youtube of an American car review place trying to beat a stock GTR with an Evo 10 (modified) around Willow Springs I think. From memory they got pretty close with some simple mods.

It was one of the US Car Magazines from what I remember, forget who though.

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Would be interesting, another thing that they'd have to find an excuse for, I'd say if it was done to a Falcon or Commodore, most of the parts in it wouldn't be original anymore, just the body.

Well....Dry carbon bonnet, boot and front quarters would take a fair chunk of weight out. Carbon brakes and forged wheels would take out more...

Probably need a cage to increase the rigidity so i'd guess you may as well take out the back seats.....

You'd need a *lot* of suspension work...possibly a trans-axle gear box....

And if its either an I6 or a 5.4Litre you'd need and alloy block.

Basically you'd probably end up with a race-car that has cost at least as much to build as the GT-R would cost to buy...and no where near as functional.

onfire · 22-03-2012, 08:17 PM

Walk down the street with a Holden T-Shirt on and you're bound to cop it from the arrogant Ford fan-boys. It's how it is every where.

Nic85 · 23-03-2012, 08:45 AM

Just for interests sake, here's the video of the GT-R vs Evo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdpBvLlWbXE

On the Evo they upgraded: turbo, intercooler, cams, exhaust, brakes, wheels, suspension.

Block, head, transmission, diffs etc all stick untouched.

Evo came to within 0.10s around Willow Springs.

Ben73 · 23-03-2012, 09:32 AM

You cannot reason with YouTube commenters. They are a different breed. They think they know everything.

This forum has got to be the most open minded car forum I have seen. Most the people here who love fords can also appreciate other cars which is great. I know there are a few hardcore ford fans here who think every Ford ever made is amazing while every other car sucks, but in the end that is thier loss.

XR6Naranja · 23-03-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben73

You cannot reason with YouTube commenters. They are a different breed. They think they know everything.

This forum has got to be the most open minded car forum I have seen. Most the people here who love fords can also appreciate other cars which is great. I know there are a few hardcore ford fans here who think every Ford ever made is amazing while every other car sucks, but in the end that is thier loss.

Yeah very much agree.

@Nic

Wow that evo barely had anything internal touched, and a lot more, and they wouldn't touch ride height? when it could definitely go lower and stiffer and still be practical.

Not bad.

Nikked · 23-03-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

Fairly sure the Japanese GT500 regs are considerably different from FIA GT3 and GT-1 regs.

No, i said GT class, not GT500.

So, as i said before, There is a R35 GT1 (fully FIA sanctioned), powered by the Vk56DE that will form the base for the V8 supercar engine. a different car then the Gt500 monster, powered by the smaller Vk engine...

http://www.gtrblog.com/2009/04/06/fi...ions-revealed/

Bad Bird · 23-03-2012, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese3

but their is no other car out there that can perform like the GT-R in all aspects with a reasonable price tag.

In it's home market, the Corvette ZO6 and ZR-1 would be comparable, no?

mik · 24-03-2012, 01:18 AM

it`s like anything , there`s plenty of tall poppy syndrome out there, if an F6 or GT or a HSV did the 0 to 60 in 2 seconds there would be just as many haters out there singing praises for something else and bagging them.

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Bad Bird

In it's home market, the Corvette ZO6 and ZR-1 would be comparable, no?

ZR1 was under a second slower then the GT-R on a quarter.. why? because it's RWD, pretty amazing since most claim RWD obsolete against AWD.

But I'm not sure about around the track results.

gtxb67 · 24-03-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

ZR1 was under a second slower then the GT-R on a quarter.. why? because it's RWD, pretty amazing since most claim RWD obsolete against AWD.

But I'm not sure about around the track results.

without comparing those 2 cars, in ideal conditions and with an experienced driver, a rwd should not be penalised over the quarter - the extra weight of awd would probably make it less efficient
however, with a less experienced driver, in slightly slippery conditions, the awd should have a distinct advantage
around a twisty track the awd should be king

mik · 24-03-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

ZR1 was under a second slower then the GT-R on a quarter.. why? because it's RWD, pretty amazing since most claim RWD obsolete against AWD.

But I'm not sure about around the track results.

yeah , myself i`m very sceptical about track times from the nurburg by car companies, if you or i went to the nurberg with our daily we`d go there when the car was running good ,kick the tyres and go with a few flying laps and take the best one, these car companies go up with teams of computer/tuning experts and tyre/suspension specialists and probably spend the whole day there, who knows maybe longer ,then brag about lap times.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Decent look on it, without seeming hypocritical, I'm thinking that maybe the GT-R is a little TOO advanced, I mean the Top Gear test shows the car with and without the traction control, and the car just doesn't do anything but accelerate and corner at such a precise level.

I think I'd be slightly bummed if I went to a skid pan just to drive around in circles because it wouldn't break loose.

It's not like that at all.... turn Diffs, Suspension and Traction settings all to "R" and this thing will step out like a super-grippy RWD car, turn TC off and you will turn it around when pushed hard, I promise you.

For me, I batted hard for what I considered the high powered, high traction Aussie 4 door car epitomy, my Terminator.... what the GT-R did was make me realise that I was just a shotgun wielding, two-bit zealot hick with my eyes and ears closed to most what was going on around me.... the GT-R is a such a revelation..... anyone that has been shotgun (or driven) my AU knows I am qualified to speak at this level.

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Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

From what I hear, the GT-R is not very involving, despite high levels of grip and acceleration (similar to a WRX then). I'm 18 and I'd much rather an MX-5 for outright thrills. The car just does not appeal to me at all.

Dont believe what you hear.... The GT-R is absolutely involving it just needs to be pushed, naturally, the thrill of a car - where it feels exciting - is when approaching its limits, you will find that limit way, way, way earlier in an MX-5 or GC8 bodied WRX as two (very different) examples. My best mate Ramon owns some of the finest road going examples of WRX's in Aus, and his exact words on the R35 are:

"Best daily car ever....."

Sure, at what budget... but we are talking up to 750K cars here at 1/5 the price, so not only do I agree with his statement, but it has also forced me to look hard at what I have owned/built/raced up to this point in time.... considering I pushed that much money into each of my Fords!

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Originally Posted by GT 160

......As for the new GTR it's a mind boggling piece of tech. The engineering that has gone into this vehicle will make your head spin.

Eg, different ride height, spring and shock rates from left to right to correct handling on RHD cars. Everything is done for a reason and calculated down the most minute detail.

Long live the God Father, Kazutoshi Mizuno.

Amen.

**CAT600** · 24-03-2012, 04:09 PM

Also, to the OP..... FWIW I agree there are plenty of fanboys out there that $h!t me off too.

The GT-R is worth batting for, but blind allegience is exactly that.

Daniel

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

Also, to the OP..... FWIW I agree there are plenty of fanboys out there that $h!t me off too.

The GT-R is worth batting for, but blind allegience is exactly that.

Daniel

Yeah sounds all good to me.

The ONLY problem I had with your reply to me is that turning traction control off apparently voids warranty? through a black box?

I'd totally own one, but I would blind bat it when I'm defending it, same as I don't blind bat it when I'm defending Ford.

It'd be a nice car to drive around, better fuel efficiency then my current car 0.o

And basically faster then anything on the road in this town.

But yeah I can definitely say some of those people give me frustration issues lol.

nstg8a · 24-03-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6Naranja

Yeah sounds all good to me.

The ONLY problem I had with your reply to me is that turning traction control off apparently voids warranty? through a black box?

I'd totally own one, but I would blind bat it when I'm defending it, same as I don't blind bat it when I'm defending Ford.

It'd be a nice car to drive around, better fuel efficiency then my current car 0.o

And basically faster then anything on the road in this town.

But yeah I can definitely say some of those people give me frustration issues lol.

i think you will find its launch control that can void the warennty. which was deleted on the first aus delivered gtr's anyway.

XR6Naranja · 24-03-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

i think you will find its launch control that can void the warennty. which was deleted on the first aus delivered gtr's anyway.

Fair enough.