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Unfortunately mobile phone caused road deaths are not yet separately collected (and thus not yet separately reported) by the ABS.
Nonetheless, there are some related interesting Australian case studies including this WA one: Role of mobile phones in motor vehicle crashes resulting in hospital attendance: a case-crossover study http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1188107/ Suzanne P McEvoy, senior research fellow,1 Mark R Stevenson, professor of injury prevention,1 Anne T McCartt, vice president, research,2 Mark Woodward, professor of biostatistics,1 Claire Haworth, research nurse,3 Peter Palamara, senior research officer,3 and Rina Cercarelli, senior research fellow3 Quote:
Violanti JM. Rochester Institute of Technology
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Added to that we have to do a lot more driver training and have to reach a higher standard than the average Joe. As for why is it illegal? Because it is an additional distraction that is not required, no one except the emergency services absolutely use a mobile phone while driving, the rest can pull over or call them back, simple. As for the manual car thing, your hand is on the gear lever for a couple of seconds, your hand is on the phone for much more. Anyone at risk of running off the road changing gear should hand their license in now.
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Also see
Cell Phone and Navigation System-Related Crashes in Japan Year Cell Phones Navigation Systems Injuries Deaths Injuries Deaths here http://www.umich.edu/~driving/public...00-01-C008.pdf and the table showing celphone and navigation system caused road injuries and fatalities in Japan.
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when abs release that data we can talk again, until then it is not safe to assume anything equally applies to australia because if it were equal we would have the reasonably safe to assume assumption in stats or data and by that alone makes the assumption unreasonable.
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Well it seems two things are extremely obvious:
1) Almost everyone is thoroughly convinced that driving while talking on the phone is dangerous and it is a good thing that it is illegal. 2) Almost no one can connect the concept "buy this car so you can legally make phone calls while driving regardless of how dangerous it is" as possibly sending a wrong message. |
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Taxi driver's must seem to think that they are imune to this rule, as we had a driver in Brisbane on Wed talking on his phone while driving us into the CBD, nearly ran into a road barrier while talking,
Then in Adelaide, another one answering a call, twice and talking for a while, then another driver answering his phone and talking while taking us to the Airport. |
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The scary thing from and Australian study is that shows that drunk drivers are also more likely to undertake other risky driving activity including using their mobile phone while driving.
http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pub...t17/rr17g.html So this might imply that the person you see driving while using their mobile is also more likely to be drunk. A wonderful combination.
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As said there aren't seperate stats kept like there is for seat belts and drink driving. besides how could you prove someone caused an accident whilst driving, 1. They will deny it and 2. They will drop the phone. There is plenty of antecdotal evidence (some posters have posted up links already in this debate here) to support the case for mobile phones causing drivers to be inattentive. ![]() I don't believe I have seen anything thats supports that mobile phone users whilst driving aren't a danger, if you have please enlighten the rest of us.
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you can spout all the laws you like, some people are just not switched on and will crash regardless.
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To look at it more simply if drunk drivers are more likely to use a mobile phone while driving, there is greater intersection between the two sets "drunk drivers" and "drivers using mobile phones" than the set "drunk drivers" and "drivers not using mobile phone" . The intersection between the two sets "drunk drivers" and "drivers using mobile phones" is the likelihood that a driver using a mobile phone is drunk and it is greater that the intersection between sets "sober drivers" and "drivers using mobile phones". Or using your example of 100 people driving drunk and 100 people driving completely sober, and more of the drunks would be using their phones. If 50 of the drunks were using the mobile phone and 20 of the sober people were it would mean that there would be a 50 in 70 chance that an observed mobile phone user was a drunk driver. It's not dissimilar to the fact that young people are more likely to use a mobile phone while driving and the result that therefore someone observed using a mobile phone while driving is more likely to be young. It simply means that there is a slight %age increase in the likelihood that a driver observed using a mobile phone is drunk over other observed road users not using a mobile phone. Not as much a give-a-way as the other related risky behaviours like the dangerous speeding, weaving or wandering but still a reason for caution.
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I agree that in some cases, NOT ALL, that a car accident can be partly caused by the driver being on the phone engaged in conversation. Whether this be from one hand juggling the phone while only one hand on the wheel (impeding the drivers ability to quickly turn the steering wheel in case of emergency)... this is only my personal opinion and not based on any scientific evidence .
HOWEVER I also believe and not to offend anyone here, or start any arguments involving personal stories, it is over dramatized the issue of talking on a mobile phone can kill people, cause accidents etc. I am guilty of one to talk on the phone with it sitting in my lap on loudspeaker. However what I find is if more concentration is required to drive eg. turning, overtaking, strong traffic I will stop the conversation until I feel comfortable talking again because less concentration is required on driving. Everybody is different and talking on phones can be more dangerous for one individual than another. Maybe some people can just multitask better and that's why they have never had any trouble talking on phones while driving. Unfortunately due to the modern era of technology we live in, for those who disagree with mobile phones in the car I think it isn't going to stop. And if it became law and was banned all together people would still do it. To answer your question flappist, the reason car companies are marketing phone use is because technically it is not illegal to use their factory phone integration therefore hoping more people will buy them knowing they can't get into trouble. YES it is most likely sending out the wrong message and they still maybe just as dangerous even if it is "legal" but at the end of the day they are trying to make money and that is priority number 1 for any business Last edited by GreenR; 21-11-2010 at 11:10 PM. |
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Love it how 'stats' can be found to justify laws. There are a mountain of things that would be more dangerous than talking on you mobile ....... its just that these stats have to be published to justify the exhistance of a law.
So .... all those reporting these stats ...... where do these things sit which I believe are more dangerous to ones lifespan while driving? Eating a Big Mac? Trying to find the last few fries at the bottom of the Macca's bag? Opening a bottle of water? Having just picked up that large cup of bloody hot coffee through the drive through? Finding that song on the CD ..... or just finding that CD in the bottom of the console or glovebox? Having a ciggie? Butting out the ciggie? Opening a new packet of ciggies? Finding the ciggies in the first place? Lighting the damn thing with the air conditioner on and window down? Putting the water bottle in the bottle holder? Finding the percect setting on the dual climate control? Adjusting your seat while driving? Opening a warm can of coke? Having an arguement with the spouse? Telling the kids in the back "If I have to pull this car over you will all get such a hiding!"? Dropping your Jeff Mint and try to find it from under the seat? Talking on the CB? Trying to listen on the bluetooth? Trying to work out why the handsfree isn't bloody working again? Looking at your GPS as you do not believe it isnt working? Checking your speed to make sure you are not 3k's over? Hitting the brakes at Wellington Rd, just in case? Changing the DVD so the kiddies can have something to watch and stop screaming at each other? Looking at the accident on the other side of the freeway? Having a persistent scratch? Looking for a street knowing its hear somewhere while driving along Princes Hwy. Talking handsfree in a heated discussion with the Mrs about the inlaws coming over to stay? A 6 hour road trip with no breaks? Talking on the mobile but instead of watching the road .... looking out for police cars? And about a billion more ....... texting I can really understand ..... but some things are easy to legislate, seem like the right thing and are good for the coffers. As for people meandering when talking on the phone, some people should not have there license and wouldn't matter if they were on the phone or not, they just should simply not be on the road.
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There are a lot of idiots on the road, a lot of people who CANT GET the hang of driving(or the technique) annd are dangerous at the best of times, then they talk on the phone too, god help us
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Tell you what, run up the **** of a car and tell them you were fiddling with the stereo. It happens, but not as much as people on phones apparently, thats one reason mobile phone laws exist and specific laws for stereos dont.
There are catch all laws that cover the other stuff. For example driving without due care and attention, dangerous driving, reckless driving. Different states will have different names but essentially they are similar enough. Im sure theres more. Eat a big mac and smash, see what happens when you tell that to the coppers. And Ive said it before, if you cant drive and check the speedo safely, catch the bus, youre useless. |
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I took the plane comment to be commercial ie: Qantas, Jetstar, Virgin etc, as that would be the most common theme for most people. Im not a pilot, but Id be pretty sure they wouldnt be answering mobiles on landing, if at all. |
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Hands free technology is legal, just like cigarettes.
Should it/they be? That's an entirely different thing. |
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How about 5 minutes after you join the freeway, you get some serious rumbles in the lower parts of your food factory and you are trying to hold in that dodgy vindaloo you had the night before until the servo 15 minutes up the road, and it gets that bad you are clenching so tight you could cut a Carillo rod in half...... Now if anything is a driving distraction, THAT is! ![]() I made it btw........just ![]() |
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Driving and doing ANYTHING else is a distraction. Some to a lesser degree than others. Phones are probably the worst distraction - if you are using a phone in one hand, and you drive a manual, how many hands do you have on the steering wheel when changing gears (assuming you keep the phone hand firmly planted to the side of your head)?
The varying range of idiots I see on the roads on a daily basis all have one thing in common; at the time they drifted lanes, or are doing 20km less than posted limit etc, they were/are on the phone. I usually give them a blast with my horn as I go past them, and I reckon 8 out of 10 hang up straight away and get back to driving. The other 2, I don't care what they do as I leave them behind.
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Jamie Whincup could suggest his level of competence an he could have a legitimate argument in the same sense as any here. I doubt many on here could meet that standard, otherwise they'd be driving for 888. I have no doubt many will claim they could, they just never get the breaks to prove it. 9/10 of his standard, is a fail by his measure. Governments have to set a minimum standard to meet, it must be to some extent to meet the lowest common denominator, and they do. There is no party that could win an election with a plan that fails what? 30% of motorists, 50? We live in a society, that society benefits us by providing things that we couldnt have if we had to provide them ourselves, like trillion dollar road networks. Dont know about you, but I havent got a spare trillion or two laying around to build my own roads. Society will always have highly skilled, moderately skilled and lower skilled participants, and everything in between. It must cater to the majority not simply the best. It must also represent the minorities as a government that represents all its constituents. The balance is hard to find and will never make everyone happy. ![]() |
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Flappist I understand your thread.
But it seems that our advertising laws are regulated as seen fit and not in a uniform manor.
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I was directly asking about, one day you post the government sticks its nose in everything, and the next it isnt sticking it in enough. I just wondered how bored you are? |
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