The most expensive new Holden ever built $197k W427. - Page 3

Auslandau · 07-07-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Why do threads seem to always degenerate in bogan this bogan that? Similarly why do members continue to think it's clever to mash words like falcadore, commawhore, dunnydore, etc? It's all so juvenile and suggests a lack of education or low breeding.

Nothing wrong with the above expressions? Or is it I am just juvenile, with a lack of education and of low breeding ......

Sorry ..... Going off topic here though so please back on track!

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GK · 07-07-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by smciner1

The Colour should have been standard IMO.

For that much money, you should have been able to choose any colour you wanted, not pay 20K extra. What a disgrace!

GK

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 01:45 PM

I don't particularly care if it holds its value or not, i've never seen modern performance vehicles as anything more than damn nice to drive right now, the current cars don't have the DNA and racing herritage to make them collectible like the old classics however this one "could" be special down the track.
In any event i doubt id want to have to hang onto one for 20-30 years just to find out.

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

For that much money, you should have been able to choose any colour you wanted, not pay 20K extra. What a disgrace!

GK

That car started life as a silver one and needed to be un assembled and repainted, they can't do one off's on the production line, that's why it cost 20K more..

Cobra · 07-07-2009, 02:18 PM

I love the engine, hate the car! If it were me I would just buy a GTS and get CSV to fit an LS7 + the associated mods they do for 35k and be done.

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

I love the engine, hate the car! If it were me I would just buy a GTS and get CSV to fit an LS7 + the associated mods they do for 35k and be done.

In the same way you could argue there's no point buying an F6 because all you need to do is buy an XR6T and work it...

But Its flawed logic....

GK · 07-07-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That car started life as a silver one and needed to be un assembled and repainted, they can't do one off's on the production line, that's why it cost 20K more..

Does that mean repainted somewhere other than on the assembly line? OR painted on the line, using a particular colour?

GK

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

Does that mean repainted somewhere other than on the assembly line? OR painted on the line, using a particular colour?

GK

All done off site away from Holden....

GK · 07-07-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

All done off site away from Holden....

Ok, I see how that would add extra cost. But not 20K.

Still, it'd be nice to have that kind of break to not be hassled with such costs!

But then again, those who have so much bread to spare and are happy to pay whatever for what they want, usually drive up the price for others. People will pay a lot to feel above others and join an exclusive club.

GK

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GK

Ok, I see how that would add extra cost. But not 20K.

Still, it'd be nice to have that kind of break to not be hassled with such costs!

But then again, those who have so much bread to spare and are happy to pay whatever for what they want, usually drive up the price for others. People will pay a lot to feel above others and join an exclusive club.

GK

There is a hell of allot involved in stripping a completed car, then re assembling it not to mention a complete color change to factory standard....
All single use clips need replacing etc..

CHEETR · 07-07-2009, 03:05 PM

20k is probably spot on for a full bare metal respray considering the time and effort needed to full strip the car down.

although having perfect panels it wouldnt need labour to rub down and fix and high spots.

WASP · 07-07-2009, 03:10 PM

Bag the W427 all you like. I'm still surprised and delighted that HSV would actually accommodate a one off version of an already limited edition model for a good customer, even if it did cost $20k+. I've never heard of FPV doing this but maybe they have..

Colville

GK · 07-07-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

There is a hell of allot involved in stripping a completed car, then re assembling it not to mention a complete color change to factory standard....
All single use clips need replacing etc..

Again I grant that it would cost extra, and even a lot more than I would have previously thought, but I still don't think 20K worth.

LOL!

GK

Cobra · 07-07-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

In the same way you could argue there's no point buying an F6 because all you need to do is buy an XR6T and work it...

But Its flawed logic....

Yeah but I'm just using that logic for this particular instance. Besides, I wasn't just reffering to BFYB. The reason I hate the W427 is because it looks horrible. I much prefer the look of a standard VE HSV's. They should have just put the LS7 in a GTS and changed the look of the GTS ever so slightly and called it a GTS-R and sold it for $120k max. But they got too greedy, and combined with that, sold it at the worst possible time, smack bang in the middle of a recession.

4Vman · 07-07-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

Yeah but I'm just using that logic for this particular instance. Besides, I wasn't just reffering to BFYB. The reason I hate the W427 is because it looks horrible. I much prefer the look of a standard VE HSV's. They should have just put the LS7 in a GTS and changed the look of the GTS ever so slightly and called it a GTS-R and sold it for $120k max. But they got too greedy, and combined with that, sold it at the worst possible time, smack bang in the middle of a recession.

How do you know they got greedy?? do you know the development and production costs?

FPV+fteT3 · 07-07-2009, 04:40 PM

Uncle tom really cleaned up on this one the person who ordered it would have paid a substantial deposit especially with the colour change then said ....sucked in I dont want it now

: HSV gave him all his deposit back?......ha ha then they found another cashed up bogan to pay 32.5k more than RRP saying it was speshial.......

please

Redrum · 07-07-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rootster

guys i never said it was a pile of crap in any of my post...I honestly believe it isn't a bad car....Just over priced for what you pay for.....Lets throw in the new nissan for the same or less dollors.....kick it's **** on any track and1/4 track.
So guys don't make it personal...and for the tool yes i have done some stand up....

And would annihilate the W427 on the track.

cosmo20btt · 07-07-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally

Why do threads seem to always degenerate in bogan this bogan that? Similarly why do members continue to think it's clever to mash words like falcadore, commawhore, dunnydore, etc? It's all so juvenile and suggests a lack of education or low breeding.

Just in case members think bogan is a new word, ask someone old enough to remember the bogs of the sixties, with their flannel shirts, black DBs, black corduroys and jumper wrapped around the waist. Their weapons of choice were dragster bikes, falcons, valients and parisiennes. When the GTs came out it was manna from heaven for the bogs.

Strange you seem to not note monaro or torana in your egs

theboxmike · 07-07-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rootster

guys i never said it was a pile of crap in any of my post...I honestly believe it isn't a bad car....Just over priced for what you pay for.....Lets throw in the new nissan for the same or less dollors.....kick it's **** on any track and1/4 track.
So guys don't make it personal...and for the tool yes i have done some stand up....

I'm sorry but how can you compare a massive big company in Nissan spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a 2 Door GT3 Beating Supercar, to a massively oversized 4 door saloon from a tiny company in HSV to please the Australian Muscle car buyers?

Your nuts

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Bossxr8 · 07-07-2009, 06:47 PM

Considering the W427 was a bit of a failure for HSV resulting is sales a fair bit lower than they expected, what sort of impact will that have on future values? Popularity was nowhere near where they would have wanted it to be.

Maybe a few potential buyers realized how ugly the thing is and didn't want it, which could also affect buyers in the future, who would rather buy something that looks better like a GTS.

HSV specials have never had much success in keeping their values, GTS 300 anyone?

rootster · 07-07-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theboxmike

I'm sorry but how can you compare a massive big company in Nissan spending hundreds of millions of dollars on a 2 Door GT3 Beating Supercar, to a massively oversized 4 door saloon from a tiny company in HSV to please the Australian Muscle car buyers?

Your nuts

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easy mate about the same price..so there is your comparison...
HSV pleased so many australian muscle car buyers

: at $165k dont thinks so....
Mate public forum i haven't bagged anyone...only speaking my mind...why not pick on the mods a couple have sided with my side.

: ..I have a point of view and the right to express it....Don't make it personal.... i think right or wrong alot of money for little car.......
PS Your nuts .... what about them .....have you met them

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**DJM83** · 07-07-2009, 07:08 PM

I could think of better things to spend my dosh on (Cant stand the WD40) But i wouldnt complain if there were one in my driveway though.
Good on him though

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I don't particularly care if it holds its value or not, i've never seen modern performance vehicles as anything more than damn nice to drive right now, the current cars don't have the DNA and racing heritage to make them collectible like the old classics however this one "could" be special down the track.
In any event i doubt id want to have to hang onto one for 20-30 years just to find out.

Lets not go there again shall we

Rooster · 07-07-2009, 07:58 PM

i don't have one; therefore it is crap = tall poppy syndrome.

Ford don't offer raw cubes like this and if they did, would the price tag distract someone with cash wanting/obtaining one ............. no

And if they did, people would drop at the altar of this car and worship it. Anyone wearing a blue oval badge would in an instant.
Having worked on and operated a blown LS7 i can say without any care of rebuttal, that the LS series engine is a great product.

A good thing is a good thing regardless of what badge is on the front.

The Price, yeah, argue that all you like. Me thinks in the early 70's people may have bitched about not being able to afford a GTHO.

..... really, I guess, just suck it up.....

GT69 · 07-07-2009, 08:29 PM

$200,000 is much these days anyway......anyone looked at the price of a house? Or a BMW M5? Seriously if this guy owned 2 M5's would there be any who-har about it? No. So whats the big deal?

barbarian · 07-07-2009, 08:54 PM

dude in SkylinesAustralia has one and a GTR in his garage

Transfiguring R · 07-07-2009, 08:59 PM

Those 2 cars are not far from what I paid for a house recently, lol.

MITCHAY · 07-07-2009, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by barbarian

dude in SkylinesAustralia has one and a GTR in his garage

Sex :sm_drool:

GT69 · 07-07-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by barbarian

dude in SkylinesAustralia has one and a GTR in his garage

Poor bugger. He needs a bigger garage!!! How could he get into either!

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Please. If anyone out there could help this poor man into a bigger shed, please donate whatever you can

Auslandau · 07-07-2009, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster

i don't have one; therefore it is crap = tall poppy syndrome.

Don't generalise ...... unless the 'I' just means you?

Just accept the fact that some people do not like this thing while some do ..... 100's of 1000's of people could afford it without blinking, how many were sold???

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Rooster · 07-07-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Don't generalise ...... unless the 'I' just means you?

Just accept the fact that some people do not like this thing while some do ..... 100's of 1000's of people could afford it without blinking, how many were sold???

Sorry you've lost me on this, don't generalise
but 100's of 1000's of people could afford it without blinking?

yeah ok, to generalise alot of those people may have been raised on a staple diet of private schools, beachfront homes and Italian cars. It's not their taste. Let's do a socio-biology degree on the possible demographic that can afford such a vehicle; BMW, Merc, Porche, etc.... see where this is going?

So..... How does your generalisation about people with wealth discredit my generalisation of a $200K 7 Lt Locally made factory car that many people would like but simply will never be able to afford?