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There was no other engine, including the diesel V6 that’d fit. Sales hugely exceeded expectations by a long way. Guess what, we now have a new power train, a different engine box, and now the new Gen Raptor can fly. But like you’d normally say, it’s just a Thailand special. |
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I can dig up all the criticism from everyone on the release of the PX Ranger Raptor about it's lame engine and even where Ford Australia tried to tell everyone they were wrong for their criticism if you would like. The counterpoint to your argument is that there's a reason why the new Raptor has the 3L Ecoboost engine instead of the 2L diesel turd that they released the previous generation with, maybe Ford Australia learned something from that fiasco. |
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side note, im stuck in pre covid days on what these things should be worth when ford have stock and do deals to clear them in 4x4 dual cab pick up v6 (if they made all in v6) it should be xl - 48 xls 51 xlt 57 sport 64 wildtrak 70 raptor 85 all drive away. hopefully we get back to precovid days soon. no way would i fork out 70 plus for a v6 xlt |
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But good luck to you, you’re on the internet, you “won”, and you know best ![]() Oh BTW: Many Australians work in the Thailand Ford Plant (in management and engineering) to produce the Ranger, but like you say, they’re “Thailand” specials. I hope you comments about “Thailand Specials” regarding Ranger aren’t motivated by something “unsavoury” ? |
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I'd hazard guess the budget was a touch larger than the FG Falcon, maybe even the VE Commodore. I see you've changed stories now that the 2.3L Ecoboost has come into the conversation (that was obviously available to them), so we'll entertain it with the budget conversation for the PX and current gen Ranger platform. As for your thinly veiled attempt at calling me a racist, what else do you want to clutch at straws for next? While we're also talking prices lets go back to 2011 and look at PX Ranger pricing structure and model breakdown: Quote:
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I’m looking forward to your comments on “Thailand specials”, going forward, it’s up to you. I hope you have children, and they like your posts. |
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oh, and if you want it in the single cab you'll need to engineer a new centre console as the standard one won't fit the e-shifter nor the electronic park brake. |
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any sales figures for those PX1 variants you quoted? |
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We all know it will happen eventually in the dual cabs. Like in px to the end the engine line up and transmission changed. From memory px xls launched only in a manual. |
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Quite convenient that all the 'cheap' 4x2 Thailand Specials are XR6 ute prices now that its gone. |
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Was always going to happen, local manufacturing kept everyone else honest price wise.
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And then you have to skip the part about it only being available in a LHD configuration. It wasn't until the new gen version that they have made it RHD compatible. And the old Raptor significantly outsold it's projections, so it's odd you are using that as an example of some kind of failure. If anything, the success of it allowed them to be bolder for the new version, and with the 703 being made available with the ability to hold a Vee engine for the first time in a Ranger with the diesel V6 coming, it then allowed the petrol version to become a viable option with the chassis set up to fit a V6. It also flies in the face of your suggestions in this thread of them "not listening to customers" when they took the feedback about buyers wanting more, and then them giving it to them. Despite what people think, the whole 703 program started with consulting a whole range of customers, from fleets, to owners clubs, to even the Toyota owners club (who were crest fallen later on when they showed them early photos of the 703, inside and out. They were shattered their Hilux's suddenly looked 20 years old, their faces looked like they had just told them their wives were ugly I heard lol). They did hundreds of hours of research with these people asking them what they wanted in their utes, and then built the Ranger around it. They know their customers better than anyone, but the fact is you cannot please 100% of people 100% of the time. It's just not possible. |
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It looks like Ford are going the other way and introducing a Ranger Platinum with the MY23.5 update. Priced from just over $83k driveaway.
Comes with... Machined faced 20-inch alloy wheels with ebony accents Flexible Rack System 12.4-inch Customisable Digital Cluster Premium heated and ventilated leather accented front seats . Last edited by naddis01; 29-11-2022 at 06:22 PM. |
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and the Ranger emissions modelling software used to prove both the 2.0 EB and I-6 easily complied to Euro 4…. Now I know that a mule is a long way from being a finished vehicle but I wonder how much more was needed… T6 helped Ford Australia immensely during that time and I can only imagine what could have been…… During T6’s 10 year run, it elevated Ranger from a middle pack seller to the second top selling Ute behind Hilux with arguably more 4x4 sales - nearly all of those sales being high series models so there’s a lot to praise Ford for, the perception was a 100% diesel market but things are changing thanks to Ranger Raptor, going where a V6 Hilux failed years ago….. Last edited by jpd80; 29-11-2022 at 07:48 PM. |
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Considering Ford have trouble delivering certain XLT, Sport and Wildtrack variants due to production shortages on higher end equipment, how is adding another range topper to the lineup going to improve sales? I also think it's going to end up just transferring potential customers from a Sport or Wildtrack rather than bringing new business.
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In other news, Ford can’t build enough of the current models, therefore give up on increasing sales, just up the price $5,000 or $10,000 more I kid…unless you want to suggest that to the chiefs, then I want a cut lol Euro 7 is coming to Europe by 2025, you thought Euro 6 was hard, try up to 70% emission reductions for commercial vehicles……. Last edited by jpd80; 29-11-2022 at 08:01 PM. |
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I just changed my Wildtrak order to add PP, so will now be 2023 build… salesman mentioned something was being announced soon that might take my fancy… Apart from the full size digital instruments I’ll stick to my wildtrak as I prefer the look, but this is even more clear proof they don’t give a toss about anything less than XLT spec… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Platinum is an excellent move, yanks wanted another higher trim so we get it as well.
Love those Americans, justifying all the extra goodies…. Anything that fleshes out Ranger sales is good news, things are getting better for Ford covid lock downs in China are a continuing worry though…. Last edited by jpd80; 29-11-2022 at 08:10 PM. |
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The Platinum is Ford trying to fill that gap between Wildtrak and Raptor, which it does nicely. I prefer the look of the Wildtrak though. The premium stuff is where the market is, forget the cheapies at the bottom end, Toyota can have that, and battle it out with the chinese rubbish. |
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Considering the popularity of the PX right up to the end, even with it being an old model, surely they should or seen it coming with the new one….. As you say, I bet there will be quite a few wildtrak orders that will be converted to platinum…. And I hope it’s true, and I can get my wildtrak with pp earlier than mid 2023 lol… a bloke can dream Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Platinum gets extra bells and whistles over WT and some more specific trim. I think panorama roof too and some special seats? Is more of a rebadged LTD afaik |
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Actually the WT doesn't even get the bigger digital dash, and stereo and headlights are optional in the premium pack for WT, but the Platinum has it all. There's a mix of spec between all 3. Definitely moved up and over XLT spec. |
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I would have liked the Platinum Ranger to get rear coils from Everset/Raptor to provide a ride/handling closer to Everest but without the full on jumping capability of Raptor. And if you need max towing ability you stick with Wildtrak.
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