Russia v Ukraine - Page 3

sixman · 27-02-2022, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Since you quoted me I will happily reply.

Maybe it's a little confusing for you, this modern warfare. thingey.

We don't need missile silos anymore, we use mobile launchers and nuclear bombs delivered by drones from air bases...or aircraft carriers.

The closer the air base to the targets the better.

Who has the most air bases in the world mostly in foreign countries?
(It ain't Russia)

I can't see mention of Latvia or Estonia as having nuclear missile bases by anyone in the thread, but thanks for overstaing the obvious.

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?
If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.
Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

If you believe Putin was right to invade Ukraine then I will agree to disagree.

hackney · 27-02-2022, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sixman

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?
If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.
Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

If you believe Putin was right to invade Ukraine then I will agree to disagree.

He does not make any sense,period.

zilo · 27-02-2022, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sixman

I dong understand your point, other than seeing your agreeing with me?

I doubt that very much.

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Originally Posted by sixman

If, and it was still an if, Ukraine joined Nato it would not present any bigger threat than estonia or latvia.

Well..that's your opinion, albeit an uninformed one.

The Russians indicated that they would negotiate on the basis that Ukraine would never join NATO. Ukraine refused to have any discussions that precluded them from doing that.

That is a contradiction and is the basis for the Russian invasion.

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Originally Posted by sixman

Nato has never had intentions to place offensive missile platforms directly on a border with Russia.

US/NATO air force bases that have runways that a nuclear armed drone can take off from are all over NATO countries.
As I said missile silos are 1950's tech which alert targets in plenty of time for a response....a cruise missile launched from a border is much better.

NATO exists to challenge Russia funded by the Americans.

**cs123** · 27-02-2022, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Been watching this unfold and I have made up my mind.

I am on the side of the Russians.

NATO expansion means US missile bases in striking distance of Moscow.
Ukraine definitely want to join NATO and Putin knows it.

No bloody way i would let a nuclear capable country put their bases in a foreign country near my country to have first strike cxapability.

Now where have I seen this before and the current leader of the free world threatened to send the world into a full blown nuclear war?

The Russians put a missile base in Cuba ....no different to Americans putting bases in Ukraine, Poland and more.

Uncomforable reality for some people but NATO means American Nuclear umbrella, specifically aimed at Russia....and a setup of a war theatre nowhere near America.

As others have mentioned we have been molded into soft coks who are progressively emasculated with left wing fringe group interests who strut around with Iphones in their ear thinking essential oils will fix everything.

Ukraine had nuclear weapons. They got rid of them in the 90s.

Not surprised at your thoughts on this. It's the new Ivermectin, you'll have plenty of friends soon who are now experts in international relations after doing their own research.

Citroënbender · 27-02-2022, 09:40 AM

It’s horribly ironic that this assault is being prosecuted in the name of preventing genocide.

That term is ascribed to a Ukrainian who coined it to summarise the Holodomor.

I urge anyone unfamiliar with this historical episode to research it.

hackney · 27-02-2022, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Been watching this unfold and I have made up my mind.

I am on the side of the Russians.

NATO expansion means US missile bases in striking distance of Moscow.
Ukraine definitely want to join NATO and Putin knows it.

No bloody way i would let a nuclear capable country put their bases in a foreign country near my country to have first strike cxapability.

Now where have I seen this before and the current leader of the free world threatened to send the world into a full blown nuclear war?

The Russians put a missile base in Cuba ....no different to Americans putting bases in Ukraine, Poland and more.

Uncomforable reality for some people but NATO means American Nuclear umbrella, specifically aimed at Russia....and a setup of a war theatre nowhere near America.

As others have mentioned we have been molded into soft coks who are progressively emasculated with left wing fringe group interests who strut around with Iphones in their ear thinking essential oils will fix everything.

Do you not understand,that he wants to go back to the ‘old style Soviet system’?He wants complete & utter control over all of Ukraine & its people.If he gets his way,it will be like an old style Soviet dictatorship/leadership.

**Cav** · 27-02-2022, 11:37 AM

I only read headlines.

That's why I am an expert in everything.

wodahs · 27-02-2022, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cav

I only read headlines.

That's why I am an expert in everything.

not me im an expert cause i google search
and ive come up with it for sure
i googled Vladimir
then shortened it to Vlad
and got Vlad the Impaler so im on the right track

so he's Dracula ! or (close enough) a witch !

and what did monty pytho tell us bout witches

its all firm resurrect honest

sixman · 27-02-2022, 01:22 PM

The brilliant part of the Russian strategy is that through fake news etc. they have convinced the gullible parts of the West that they/Russia are morally correct. Then they have sown the seeds of division, and in the digital age the west is engaged in endless pointless debate/argument with itself left vs right, woke vs patriot etc.
I mean just look at what people post here.
Meanwhile Putin goes about as he likes and we call each other names and bemoan our own demise lol

zilo · 27-02-2022, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sixman

The brilliant part of the Russian strategy is that through fake news etc. they have convinced the gullible parts of the West that they/Russia are morally correct. Then they have sown the seeds of division, and in the digital age the west is engaged in endless pointless debate/argument with itself left vs right, woke vs patriot etc.
I mean just look at what people post here.
Meanwhile Putin goes about as he likes and we call each other names and bemoan our own demise lol

I dunno where you got all that from?

Did it just show up on your smart phone this morning?

From what i can see it is the media that is pushing an anti Russian addenda, far from what you are asserting.

Show me a news source that says he is a good guy?

zilo · 27-02-2022, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hackney

Do you not understand,that he wants to go back to the ‘old style Soviet system’?He wants complete & utter control over all of Ukraine & its people.If he gets his way,it will be like an old style Soviet dictatorship/leadership.

Prove it ? A link to anything from the ABC doesn't work for me...

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Originally Posted by sixman

This left - right crap is being planted/harnessed by Russian/Chinese hackers and infiltrators. .

Prove it (Hillary)?

**Cav** · 27-02-2022, 12:13 PM

I thought this comment in the Australian was spot on.

Has wokeness/climate catastrophe run its course?

hackney · 27-02-2022, 12:34 PM

They are now targeting the Russian central bank,with the use of Swift,& ‘selected’ banks,this does not go far enough.At least Italy & Hungary are on board now(they weren’t a few days ago.) They have to break the back of the Russian economy.Germany is now @ last sending arms & munitions to Ukraine,they have been reluctant to do this because of WW11.Source:BBC world news.

**russellw** · 27-02-2022, 10:42 AM

I shouldn't have to but here is a reminder that regardless of what you think of the views held by an individual, insults of a personal nature won't be tolerated.

CoupeKing · 27-02-2022, 05:44 PM

Apparently France just surrendered.

**FairmontGS** · 27-02-2022, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Apparently France just surrendered.

xkxlxm · 27-02-2022, 06:48 PM

I watched the rest of the Scott Ritter interview; he's not just a former weapons inspector, but also a former US marine.

nstg8a · 27-02-2022, 06:26 PM

From what I understood it’s not necessarily nukes that worried Moscow, it’s the nato version of iron dome, the article I was reading said that Russians were opposed to extension of the missile defence system because they could easily be reloaded with offensive missiles instead of purely defensive.
Flight time from the Ukraine would be 5-7 minutes or some thing.

I find it hard to pick a side, there’s so much disinformation out there from both sides, and really it’s the incompetence of the west in the last 30 odd years that has let it get to this state.

hackney · 27-02-2022, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

From what I understood it’s not necessarily nukes that worried Moscow, it’s the nato version of iron dome, the article I was reading said that Russians were opposed to extension of the missile defence system because they could easily be reloaded with offensive missiles instead of purely defensive.
Flight time from the Ukraine would be 5-7 minutes or some thing.

I find it hard to pick a side, there’s so much disinformation out there from both sides, and really it’s the incompetence of the west in the last 30 odd years that has let it get to this state.

There’s a fence out there somewhere to sit on!

nstg8a · 27-02-2022, 06:29 PM

So which is the disinformation?

danzvtil · 27-02-2022, 08:07 PM

As an Australian of Ukrainian heritage, I can’t believe this is happening again. My mum was born in an Australian army camp while they waited to be settled here.My now long departed nanna escaped Ukraine in the 40’s, and even until her death couldn’t share about what she had seen at the hands of the German troops. She told us only 2 things about her life, her brother died of starvation at age 14, but there was no funeral. Her brothers and sisters wheeled his body into the forest in a wheelbarrow and buried him themselves. And she recalls that when the German troops were approaching, parents with teenage daughters would smear them in dung so the troops would not take them away. That is all she could tell us.
And over 70 years later it’s all about to happen again, what a bunch of disgusting savages the human race is.

zilo · 27-02-2022, 08:40 PM

Just watching ABC news...2 minutes 25 seconds on the war in Ukraine.

3 minutes on womens football and netball.
1 minutes on mens A league.

yep...am all caught up on world affairs now.

**FairmontGS** · 27-02-2022, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by zilo

Just watching ABC news...2 minutes 25 seconds on the war in Ukraine.

3 minutes on womens football and netball.
1 minutes on mens A league.

yep...am all caught up on world affairs now.

Maybe in VicDanistan, in The GSS Ukraine led the ABC 7:30 pm and got nearly 9 minutes of coverage.

zilo · 01-03-2022, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Maybe in VicDanistan, in The GSS Ukraine led the ABC 7:30 pm and got nearly 9 minutes of coverage.

LOL...7:30 report?

this little black duck can't stand angry man hating menopausal journalists.

**FairmontGS** · 01-03-2022, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zilo

LOL...7:30 report?

this little black duck can't stand angry man hating menopausal journalists.

Whoops, sorry, I did mean to type 7:00pm news bulletin, not 7:30pm.

hackney · 01-03-2022, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Whoops, sorry, I did mean to type 7:00pm news bulletin, not 7:30pm.

It’s only ‘half an hour’! Close enough!

**PG2** · 27-02-2022, 09:03 PM

Guys and Gals

Gaso and I have started deleting posts.

If this thread keeps heading in the same direction, guess what happens next?

Itsme · 27-02-2022, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PG2

Guys and Gals

Gaso and I have started deleting posts.

If this thread keeps heading in the same direction, guess what happens next?

You might as well close the topic as those Pesky Rusky saboteurs are in full swing here.

Itsme · 01-03-2022, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Itsme

You might as well close the topic as those Pesky Rusky saboteurs are in full swing here.

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

why do you want it closed? Because some people aren't mature enough to debate a catastrophe

Why should the ones that are contributing maturely be punished?

Leave the thread open and delete the posts by people who aren't being mature

This unprovoked attack on Ukraine could be the start of something much bigger and we need to talk about it - making a mockery of stuff not related is just childish, making a mockery of the invasion is just childish - this is the stuff history is made of and we need to discuss it

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It is great to wake this morning to see the all this great discussion about what is happening in Ukraine, but wait, no, we are talking about a ****ing plane - says everything about people of today

I'm out

Trevor you questioned why I asked for this topic to be closed; now you crack the sh*ts

No pleasing you!

Trevor 57 · 02-03-2022, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Itsme

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

why do you want it closed? Because some people aren't mature enough to debate a catastrophe

Why should the ones that are contributing maturely be punished?

Leave the thread open and delete the posts by people who aren't being mature

This unprovoked attack on Ukraine could be the start of something much bigger and we need to talk about it - making a mockery of stuff not related is just childish, making a mockery of the invasion is just childish - this is the stuff history is made of and we need to discuss it

Trevor you questioned why I asked for this topic to be closed; now you crack the sh*ts

No pleasing you!

I pulled out due the very reason posted in my post you quoted first and I re quoted here - sorry if that offends you