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I had a Swift Sport for a while and man that thing used to put a smile on my face. I love RWD more than anything but a decent hot hatch can still be epic fun - especially when you can move the tail around a bit. The ST is WAY better than the Swift Sport too.
However, hot hatches really do encourage you to cane it everywhere - they're actually more of a hoon car than a V8. At least in a V8 you can sit back and cruise a bit and still enjoy the ride... One thing I will say in favour of the Fiesta tho - it's small enough to chuck around and have some fun at sane speeds, once the FWD hatches get a bit bigger - ie Renault Megane 265, Focus ST, Astra OPC et al... You really have to be flying through the hills or on a deserted back road to really enjoy them. At anything below 60 km/h they just have too much grunt for the front wheels...
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Our Rio averages over 8L/100 working it out properly in peak hour and suburb driving. It's never gone into the 9s or above though.
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You'd struggle to get an ST to use 8L/100 - even with a heavy foot they seem to stay in the mid 7's... Try getting a V8 to do any less than double that around town...
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So you guys get less than the published economy rating during spirited driving? I guess we must have a different definition of spirited
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Doesn't matter how anyone cuts it, hot hatches are pretty damn economical these days, which makes it easier to concentrate on the pros and cons of the rest of the package. |
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My avatar says it all. There is No Replacement For Displacement. And I don't care how much fuel my V8 uses. I'll leave the small cars to the ladies.
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Yeh Kia is compensating the US but to be honest it's over a trivial difference in readings. I reckon a few manufacturers could easily be stung the same way. On the highway it gets in the 5's but we have a heavy foot around town and it gets 8 or mid 7's. It has a dual stage intake which actuates at certain revs for different torque/power levels so it can certainly use the juice. Still a miser when my XRT averages 13 and the AU 16 around town.
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Here's an interesting article on the topic of the focus.
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...m-test-review/
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In this thread the OP asks about the Fiesta ST tho - with it's 1.6, lighter weight and less torque, the lack of a diff is not such an issue - it's generally rated far more highly as a drivers car than the Focus.
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Can't we all just get along & drive Fox body Mustangs, Mavericks & Cortinas with 545ci BBFs that have PD blowers on top? |
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My former much-loved FG XR8 got 10-11Litres/100km consistantly, had 160,000 hwy kms and is now sitting at Power Ford for less than $20k - was hard to part with. They are blown out how new it drives. Is EGO, ZF, colour 6-stack, rev camera, 'C' iPhone module If I was after economy and performance, i'd get it. (gets off soap box) Hope whatever you get excites!
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I tell ya, as much as I love the rumble of a V8, there is something very smug and enjoyable about getting great MPG. I took one of those new Renault Meganes up to Bright for the weekend - did nearly 1200km, did not put a drop of Diesel in the thing, it averaged 4.8L/100 - even with a spirited dash to the top of Mount Buffalo. When we were sitting on the Hume at 112km/h doing 3.8/100 I was pointing to cars we were passing and telling my missus how much more fuel they were using. She told me to shut up pretty quickly, but I was having a great time!
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04-05-2014, 08:50 AM | #19 | ||
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Yeah for some reason I read focus and was thinking larger hatches. 7-8 sounds reasonable for a fiesta and a saving of $10 per 100km.
I guess it really is down to if the op thinks he can live with the smaller car long term for the sake of that money, I know I couldn't. In hindsight I feel I should've paid off the xr6t and held onto it longer as my money saver rather than go small.
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Back to the OP which I believe was actually between the Eco Sport 1.0 mini Suv and the Fiesta ST...
I have had a little drive in the 1.0 - man it goes well eh? I did find the Echo a bit 'cheap' feeling tho - although the Titanium, which I believe is the only trim level with that engine, fixes things a little. I still haven't flogged an ST yet, although I have flogged a few of it's competitors - the Swift Sport, the old and new Clio 200's... It's a hard one, I quite like the idea of souping up that little 1.0 - you can get decent power out it - and a pretty decent note, they sound a bit like a flat 6... Plus with the extra ground clearance - dunno what you do for work but if there's any rough tracks involved it's really a one horse race... The 1.0 uses a smidge more fuel than I would've thought, but it does pump out a fair bit of grunt so fair enough I guess.
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i remember driving an Alto which is a 3 banger, it had a very addictive noise
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your either a v8 person and nothing else is considered even if they are slower and less fuel efficient or not.me i dont look at anything unless it has an 8 in it,with 4 in the shed and an explorer coming next week, a 351 in ski boat .i dont even worry about fuel economy i fill them when they need it and enjoy them.and that is the main thing is enjoy what you have
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We're right on a tipping point, where a main stream SUV is advertising 1.9 L/100... It's just a matter of time before plug ins take over... Small capacity turbo's will be what enthusiasts choose - and we will soon be discussing what triple or twin cylinder engine sounds best in the not too distant future I bet.
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Which is precisely why I'll grab a GT and hold on to it as my main drive and keep my lotus as my weekender.
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Speaking of triples I've heard the new BMW 1.5 triple sounds pretty good - that's a pretty decent cylinder size... (500cc) I'd love to hear one with a bit of an exhaust...
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The Alfa Romeo triple in the Mito sounds alright.
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