Covid 19 - - Page 272

PhilT2 · 11-12-2020, 10:24 AM

As much as we would like to deny it we are dependent on the global economy and our employment levels will not return to normal until the nine million tourists and the eight hundred thousand foreign students return. If you expect them to arrive with a vaccination certificate in hand then they have the same right to expect you to do the same when you travel.
There is no Australian solution to this pandemic, only a global solution.

**FTE217** · 11-12-2020, 10:59 AM

Good point, vaccine the world ! lol.....

Tickford. · 11-12-2020, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Where did all these anti-vaccers come from all of a sudden?

Facebook and YouTube.

It's where the mentally unstable went to seek out the "real news" and the "truth" that the MSM wasn't letting them know about. Armed with all this truthful news, they are now "woke" to the "ways of the world".

PhilT2 · 11-12-2020, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

Good point, vaccine the world ! lol.....

Why not; we did for smallpox and now it's gone. It will take a couple of years but covid could be gone too, as long as anti-vax nutters don't stuff it up.

Disappointing to see the UQ vaccine abandoned, it was looking good at first.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-...doned/12973656

Tickford. · 11-12-2020, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilT2

Why not; we did for smallpox and now it's gone. It will take a couple of years but covid could be gone too, as long as anti-vax nutters don't stuff it up.

Don't forget about the 'anti-COVID test' nutters. Apparently they have factual evidence that the COVID test is part some conspiracy by the "powers at be" to build a data base of everyone's DNA!

**russellw** · 11-12-2020, 12:40 PM

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT December 10th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

7 new cases for Australia and 0 deaths so the CMR remains 3.243%. NSW recorded 4 cases, Queensland 3 and Tasmania recorded 1.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.198% and active cases remain at 55.

The UK had a higher 21,054 cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 516 deaths.

Just over 228k new cases in the USA yesterday and 3,296 deaths sees CMR drop to 1.882% and active cases remain 39.8% with the raw numbers rising and now over 6.2M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 70M with the last 1M in 1 day;
The USA passes 16M cases;
USA set a new daily record for deaths with 3,296;
Europe passes 19M cases;
Asia passes 18M cases;
The USA completes 214M, India 150M, Russia 81M, Germany 30M and Bulgaria 1M tests.

Uruguay (383);
Finland (840) - 36% above the previous high;
Albania (873);
Belarus (1,939);
Malaysia (2,234);
Denmark (3,132) - 22% above the high yesterday;
Japan (2,733);
Lithuania (3,330); and
Germany (28,179) - 18% above the high yesterday

... all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

**Polyal** · 11-12-2020, 12:46 PM

3296...far out

They wont have enough coffins soon, this is very sad. Imagine if this was a war and they were loosing that many people....

Mr_G6ET · 11-12-2020, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

3296...far out

They wont have enough coffins soon, this is very sad. Imagine if this was a war and they were loosing that many people....

and because they are 'the land of the free' they won't be told the wear masks, social distance etc.
I read that the decisions are in some cases at town level, no unification on what to do about Covid

Where will it stop !

**Charliewool** · 11-12-2020, 01:26 PM

“Would like HIV with that”
https://amp.9news.com.au/live-blog/0...8-5ce5fee8fc52

T3rminator · 11-12-2020, 01:27 PM

Well?

MITCHAY · 11-12-2020, 01:43 PM

Wow

LG17 · 11-12-2020, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well? image

My immune system doesn't work very well so I'll take the vaccination thanks...

**Polyal** · 11-12-2020, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well? image

Who is this idiot? Never heard of him but his got airtime of late, another social media nothing.

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Originally Posted by Charliewool

“Would like HIV with that”
https://amp.9news.com.au/live-blog/0...8-5ce5fee8fc52

Was waiting for someone to flag that around. Cute we are looking for a vaccine but we did why bother, just jump on the UK et al one

T3rminator · 11-12-2020, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Who is this idiot? Never heard of him but his got airtime of late, another social media nothing.

LOL Avi, made himself "famous" during the covidiot lock down protest ra ra ra. No one worth worrying about, just thought it was amusing how some people's brain works (or not work).

Tickford. · 11-12-2020, 02:27 PM

Gaso, curious, why delete my post??

I was stating that the number of COVID deaths in the USA overnight is more than the total deaths during 9/11. And in matter of hours, will pass 300'000 deaths in the USA alone. All on Trumps watch, while he feels the need to dance.

What was so 'not needed' about my post that it had to be completely deleted? Is it not COVID related?

**GasoLane** · 11-12-2020, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Gaso, curious, why delete my post??

I was stating that the number of COVID deaths in the USA overnight is more than the total deaths during 9/11. And in matter of hours, will pass 300'000 deaths in the USA alone. All on Trumps watch, while he feels the need to dance.

What was so 'not needed' about my post that it had to be completely deleted? Is it not COVID related?

This is the covid thread not the Trump thread, it is possible to comment on Covid without turning it into another Trump is good/bad debate.

Bossxr8 · 11-12-2020, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

This is the covid thread not the Trump thread, it is possible to comment on Covid without turning it into another Trump is good/bad debate.

I don't think it's possible for him to mot mention Trump. He's obsessed with it. How ironic.

Tickford. · 11-12-2020, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

This is the covid thread not the Trump thread, it is possible to comment on Covid without turning it into another Trump is good/bad debate.

Wait a minute. Trump dismissed the pandemic from the very start, he told his people not to wear masks, he organised mass gatherings (against his own medical teams advise) during the election campaign, etc, etc, etc. The list of how he mishandled COVID in the US (and to an extent, the world) is long.

Whether you like to believe it or not, Trump played major part in the COVID numbers being what they are today in the USA. The USA is currently in the situation they are in mostly due to Trumps behaviour/mishandling. And, at almost every Trump rally/mass gathering, he would be dancing like a f**king clown, while his people were dying in big numbers. As if he was totally ignorant to the situation he put his country in. Almost proud even.

Itsme · 11-12-2020, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Who is this idiot? Never heard of him but his got airtime of late, another social media nothing.

For an idiot I would listen to him more than some of the people who get on here.

Cheers.

Citroënbender · 11-12-2020, 04:13 PM

He indirectly boosts the work of his despised (by him) brother. But that’s for another thread - and I hope, a “feel good” post in coming weeks.

Israel is just kicking off Chanukah, it’s the last big convening for a few months. So their infection rates should start to plateau soon (I hope).

MITCHAY · 11-12-2020, 04:48 PM

It was a shame to hear about the news about UQ vaccine. It would have been great if we had of developed a vaccine of our own.

It looks like the Pfizer will be approved by the FDA soon in the US but then they have to worry about supply and getting people to have the jab.

Itsme · 11-12-2020, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

It was a shame to hear about the news about UQ vaccine. It would have been great if we had of developed a vaccine of our own.

It looks like the Pfizer will be approved by the FDA soon in the US but then they have to worry about supply and getting people to have the jab.

I would imagine the research and development will not go to waste as it will open other avenues for other vaccines.

prydey · 11-12-2020, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tickford.

Wait a minute. Trump dismissed the pandemic from the very start, he told his people not to wear masks, he organised mass gatherings (against his own medical teams advise) during the election campaign, etc, etc, etc. The list of how he mishandled COVID in the US (and to an extent, the world) is long.

Whether you like to believe it or not, Trump played major part in the COVID numbers being what they are today in the USA. The USA is currently in the situation they are in mostly due to Trumps behaviour/mishandling. And, at almost every Trump rally/mass gathering, he would be dancing like a f**king clown, while his people were dying in big numbers. As if he was totally ignorant to the situation he put his country in. Almost proud even.

Do you hold Scott Morrison to the same accountability? Pretty sure each state has their own government much like we do.

It's just typical of the people who like to bash trump.

The public are also free to make up their own mind. No government makes health decisions that people can't make for themselves. There are millions of Americans taking this very seriously but that doesn't make for an exciting headline.

MITCHAY · 11-12-2020, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Officemanager

I would imagine the research and development will not go to waste as it will open other avenues for other vaccines.

I understand why they dropped it and for sure it will be of benefit for future R&D but I feel for all those working on it.

It always sucks when you have worked so hard on something and then funding gets pulled but in this case you need to back a horse that has better prospects.

The rona 19 has shown that when very bright people work together, they can achieve great things.

There have been vaccines that have been developed, gone through trials, and shown very high levels of efficacy in less than a year for a coronavirus of all things.

I just wish there was more of this.

Bossxr8 · 11-12-2020, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Do you hold Scott Morrison to the same accountability? Pretty sure each state has their own government much like we do.

It's just typical of the people who like to bash trump.

The public are also free to make up their own mind. No government makes health decisions that people can't make for themselves. There are millions of Americans taking this very seriously but that doesn't make for an exciting headline.

It's not going to change under Biden. He will try to enforce a mask rule and the state governors will mostly ignore it, and the yank public won't comply because "muh freedoms". They see it as taking away their rights as americans to do whatever the hell they want in the name of freedom.

prydey · 11-12-2020, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's not going to change under Biden. He will try to enforce a mask rule and the state governors will mostly ignore it, and the yank public won't comply because "muh freedoms". They see it as taking away their rights as americans to do whatever the hell they want in the name of freedom.

Wrong. Just like anywhere you will likely find it is the minority with the loudest voice. Those taking it serious would be a the majority.

Itsme · 11-12-2020, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

I understand why they dropped it and for sure it will be of benefit for future R&D but I feel for all those working on it.

It always sucks when you have worked so hard on something and then funding gets pulled but in this case you need to back a horse that has better prospects.

The rona 19 has shown that when very bright people work together, they can achieve great things.

There have been vaccines that have been developed, gone through trials, and shown very high levels of efficacy in less than a year for a coronavirus of all things.

I just wish there was more of this.

This vaccine might have gone ahead if there were no other, I also tip my hat towards these medical researchers/scientist/support staff for their marvelous efforts in times of need.
Cheers.

MITCHAY · 11-12-2020, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Do you hold Scott Morrison to the same accountability? Pretty sure each state has their own government much like we do.

It's just typical of the people who like to bash trump.

The public are also free to make up their own mind. No government makes health decisions that people can't make for themselves. There are millions of Americans taking this very seriously but that doesn't make for an exciting headline.

Very unfair to compare Scomo to Trump on the dealing with Covid.

The national cabinet was established to deal with this and for the most part we have dealt with it pretty good.

Obviously given our experience it is a lot more complicated to go from from 6 states and 2 territories to 50+ in the US but it seems like Trump plays favourites and has no interest in establishing consensus.

I don't think there has been any good faith approach to dealing with it in the US from Trump. By that I mean getting all the governors in a room physical or virtual like we have.

Then as you say you have to get the public on side in a country that is taught from day one they are exceptional, have all these constitutional rights, and seemingly have no concept of collective responsibility.

No wonder it is a cluster **** over there.

MITCHAY · 11-12-2020, 10:06 PM

On the topic of national cabinet I have to say that Mark McGowan has truly proved himself a proper flog by not attending in person today

wodahs · 11-12-2020, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

On the topic of national cabinet I have to say that Mark McGowan has truly proved himself a proper flog by not attending in person today

and if he had , youd be saying hes a total flog for making the rules he has set and not abiding by them him self