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We are a family of 6, Christmas is usually 30+ of us..so Vic trip looking unlikely. I was hating Dan from a distance but I will dust off the pitch fork.
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They gotta catch you though... We're driving from Sydney to the family Christmas in remote South East Gippsland on a large, remote property and there will be way more than 10 people there I can guarantee you
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But we can have 50 outside? they have no hope with people complying over Christmas.
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yep, what can I say? Mind you if it keeps going like it is then Dan may loosen them more
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serious question, so we go to my son's place who lives on 2.5 acres and we don't go inside, we sit around outside, in the pool etc, can we have 50, what is the definition of 'home' and 'outside'
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Just me, my wife, our 4 kids, their partners and our 6 grand-kids is 16!!!!! WTF!!!!!
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I believe "outside" is also explained as having to be in a public place, so not on someones property
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That is my understanding too, because that is our scenario for Xmas, there is 16 of us, just immediate family
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They are calling the 22/11 as the LAST step - bull-****, there is more to go than that ol' mate
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"Dependents of the visitors are excluded from visitor caps if they cannot be left unattended or cared for in another setting." The World Health Organisation has banned Santa Claus this year. They have deemed Santa to be too much of a risk of being a COVID Super Spreader. So no Santa this year kids! ![]() ![]() |
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I'm wondering if the traces are residual from past positives that are now virus free? Considering that it was (still is??) believed that the virus stays in your system after you are cleared and provides some immunity? I heard 26,000 tests were done around the Hills district after the sewer findings were announced but no word on if there were any positives.
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Another scalp. Getting nearer to Dan
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what are some of you going to do if the inquiry finds that Andrews played no role in the Hotel Quarantine fiasco, if it all happened without his knowledge?
That ****ant O'Brien will wet himself if it does go that way
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He may not know or be directly responsible for every detail, but he should be across it.
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Then it would prove beyond all doubt that he failed miserably. He created workplace manslaughter laws where it holds the top person responsible where they are unaware of critical functions. The ONLY way he should escape responsibility is if he can prove that he ensured that there were checks and balances in place, that he made sure everyone covered off on foreseeable risks - and that they then lied to him. Continually saying they don't know who is responsible leads directly to failure at the top. You have to open the other eye Trevor.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australi...tel-quarantine https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=290161229070293
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* as head of the Government he cannot be across EVERYTHING that happens under him - any senior manager will tell you that. They all rely on the competence of the people below them. If there was an issue, maybe he trusted people he shouldn't have (given hindsight) * Did he make the actual decision to use security guards? I am fairly confident he didn't personally make that decision, but, as in my previous post, he is accountable for that decision As for quoting Victoria's new WORKPLACE manslaughter legislation (section 39A to 39G of the OHS Act 2004), if you read the legislation (and I have as I teach this stuff most days) the responsibility and accountability will sit with the most senior person who made the decisions - and just to get it exactly right, the legislation is aimed at 'workplaces over which there is undoubted control'. Does Andrews have undoubted control over the security company, the hotels - NO!!!!, he does over his employees etc. I love how people quote law, but never quite get it right ![]()
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As for accountable, how do they do that? I am not defending him, it is a serious question. And don't quote the OHS law as it just doesn't apply. Police charges, maybe, I don't know all the Crimes Act to make a call, it is not my area of specialty * His Government boot him? * You vote him out at the next election? * Michael O'Brien getting a small groin twinge every time Andrew's opens his mouth? Oh, hang on, lets get the Governor General or maybe the Governor of Victoria to sack him and his Government ![]()
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It isn't as simple as "oh, someone died at work, you're being charged with manslaughter", there is built in quite a few 'tests' before charges are laid
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What about the individuals that simply failed to follow protocol? Oh no, we must blame someone rather than expect personal responsibility.
If someone is trying to tell me the security people didn't know what they were doing was wrong then I have a bridge for sale...
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Wait for the findings from the inquiry, IMO one of two things will happen: a) Andrews/others significantly involved/responsible. gross mismanagement, manslaughter, professional misconduct? b) Andrews/others are incompetent F-wits, slap on the wrist Given that +800 people died, and if no one goes to jail, the Fed's will call for a royal commission. |
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