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Is there a refusal to acknowledge HCQ as a treatment like the Australian government has? Lets stick to Greece for the moment.
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'flu shots are "usually' a cocktail of inoculations designed to help fight off whichever 'flu virus strains are known to be currently circulating among the world's populations. According to our GP our 'flu shot this year combated against 5 strains of the 'flu and usually was only given to older people - other age groups got inoculated against fewer strains I was informed. Since I'm here, can posters avoid posts that have little or nothing to do with Covid 19? I'm getting tired of reading a lot of rubbish. Cheers
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There was a story on 60 Minutes yesterday on the long lasting effects for some people who have "recovered" from COVID. Was very interesting. Part 1: On two Aussie's under 50, post COVID infection. Part 2: Only available on 9now. It was about actress Alyssa Milano's struggle post COVID infection. If you don't have access to 9now, you can read about her battle HERE. This virus is obviously affecting different people, very differently. And that is a very scary thought. ![]() Last edited by Tickford.; 21-09-2020 at 09:28 PM. |
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Here's a link to the opinion piece https://www.frontiersin.org/articles...020.00176/full I can't find any results for any properly run trials of hydroxychloroquine from the greek hospitals. |
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext The science is never settled. It's the nut jobs saying HCQ doesn't work or shouldn't be considered as a treatment for Covid-19.
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Craig Kelly's facebook page may not be the best source of scientific information.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?s...=en&as_sdt=0,5 Here's a link that leads to 18,000 scientific articles about hydroxychloroquine, the overall opinion seems to be that while it may do some good, it also has side effects that result in more harm than good. To dismiss the work of hundreds of researchers as "nut jobs" is not an indicator of good research skills. |
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If it was a quick fix it would be proven and used, it is not. Not sure why it needs to be more complicated than that. To think that the world and "big pharma" would be holding back on sorting this out if it was that easy is the definition of crazy.
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14 new cases for Australia and 2 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.162% while active cases rise to 1,998. NSW recorded 4 cases and Queensland recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 38.64 with metro at 32.8 (45 unknown) and regional at 1.6 and no unknown cases. The Victorian case numbers were the lowest since 6th June but on the back of low testing numbers as well.
No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.377% and active cases fall to 62. The UK had 4,368 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures. Just under 41k new cases in the USA yesterday and 294 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.912% and active cases remain at 36.5% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: The USA passes 7M cases; India completes 64M, Russia 43M, UK 22M and Spain 11M tests; Greece (453), Tunisia (996), Netherlands (2,217) and Indonesia (4,176) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.
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UK is in serious trouble again aren't they?
Australia must be the one and only 'big' Western country that is doing ok. CCP must be hating us for it. They probably didn't expect Australia to lockdown as hard as we have. And China is smiling from ear to ear looking at the USA and UK. It's almost like China knew which Western countries had the biggest population of morons. The Wu-Flu is doing exactly as China had planned in these parts of the world. VIC update: 28 new cases and 3 further deaths in the past 24 hours to 11:00am. |
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![]() The government has asked people to get tested "IF THEY SHOW SYMPTOMS". They are not asking people to get tested just for the fun of it. |
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Yep. Your comment was that ridiculous it is worth a tsk, tsk, tsk.
The original comment was why are people not willing to be tested. And as I said, the government is only asking people to be tested if they show symptoms. Not just at random. So again, what does that have to do with flu shots? Completely irrelevant. |
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...24857920300996 Conclusion Despite its small sample size, our survey shows that hydroxychloroquine treatment is significantly associated with viral load reduction/disappearance in COVID-19 patients and its effect is reinforced by azithromycin. I only clicked one link. There's probably another 17,000 odd thousand that associate HCQ and azithromycin with the treatment of Covid-19.
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That's the problem with citing micro-studies - the sample sizes, presence (or lack of) of academic protocols, studies in relation to proper control groups, etc. If any of these are lacking then the study results are/and should be cancelled to ensure correct outcomes.
To that end, CMI (Clinical Microbiology and Infection is a monthly publication in English of the European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases and publishes peer-reviewed papers that present basic and applied research relevant to therapy and diagnostics in the fields of microbiology, infectious) conducted a meta-data analysis with the aim: "The aim of this systematic review and meta-analysis was to assess whether chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin decreased COVID-19 mortality compared with the standard of care." This drew in sources from PubMed, Web of Science, Embase Cochrane Library, Google Scholar and MedRxiv were searched up to 25 July 2020. The result of the meta-data study? "Hydroxychloroquine alone was not associated with reduced mortality in hospitalized COVID-19 patients but the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin significantly increased mortality." From a science-based view, that's probably the end of the HCQ discussion. https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandi...505-X/fulltext |
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That's really sad, I hope he regains some ability and isn't one of those ending up with permanent heart damage. Here's some more bad news this morning: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-...finds/12688384 |
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I see the US has passed 200,000 deaths as a result of COVID-19.
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I look at the media coverage the Victorian situation received and just can't imagine what the media coverage must be like over in the US. And whilst I certainly don't go looking for it, it seems to me like that number of deaths is not getting the air time it deserves. Maybe just an incorrect impression? Source https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-a...23-p55y7x.html
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Do we have numbers on the spikes in suicides since Covid?
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No increase according to coroners court.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...downs/12602060 |
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But mental health experts warn the lockdowns have seen an increase in self-harm and indicators that could ultimately result in suicide. Government data released earlier this month showed the number of children ending up in the emergency room after self-harming has risen by a third. Youth mental health service Orygen's head of suicide prevention research, associate professor Jo Robinson, said mental health practitioners had been "extremely concerned" there would be an increase in suicides. "The fact that we haven't seen increases so far, it's really heartening. But I don't think we should let our guard down," she said. Orygen's Jo Robinson says there has been an increase in people seeking help "I don't think we're out of the woods yet'. Not very reassuring.
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And...once again you try and normalise something that is not normal.
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Where's the focus on the impact of suicides which take a lot more lives than this virus.
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“The number of dead in the US is equivalent to a 9/11 attack every day for 67 days. And it is still climbing.” That quote to me, is where the bloody world is at now with media sensationalist hype! 67 times 9/11?.... Really, is there any need for such an obscure comparison? Feckin pathetic
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I’m starting to have deep misgivings about the timing of reduced financial support to those presently receiving it.
Surely as restrictions taper off, you would see how people are responding, how work abilities and opportunities show themselves, then make a call on any reduction? I’m concerned it will beget financial stresses which force people into situations that compromise the guidelines for safe operations, generally. |
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Normally an increase in unemployment would see an increase in suicide. This is usually so predictable that the experts can predict how many deaths for each percentage point increase in unemployment. However nothing about the current situation in predictable.
I originally thought that the increase in welfare payments may be responsible, that the decrease in the financial stress usually caused by job loss may be the significant factor. There are some reports from the US that the increase in suicide has not happened there either. But their figures are distorted by the fact that their suicide rate has been increasing over recent years while unemployment has been decreasing. It's always risky to attribute change to only one factor and I expect it will be years before we fully understand all the consequences of this epidemic. |
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So the focus is there if you look for it. |
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But, it does make you think of the response (or excuse) post the 9/11 attacks. In comparison, we have a situation in the US (and around the world for that matter) that is far worse, but China has escaped any sort of a similar response??! ![]() |
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