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Old 26-04-2007, 06:45 PM   #31
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Chris, I wasn't aware there are any aftermarket rods rated for that sort of continuous power. The best I can find is the Crower Billets that are rated for 800hp@7500rpm. If you know of any better, let me know, 'cos I'll be pulling my motor down soon, and want to put the best of everything in.

Also, what sort of compression ratio pistons would you recommend for a rebuilt and worked motor at an everyday 10-12psi? 9.5:1?

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I'm rebuilding my motor in preparation for supercharging and I imported custom forged Manley pistons at 9.0:1 (-6.5cc dish) and forged Manley conrods as well as the MMR oil pump and MMR billet trigger (tone) wheel. I think 9.0:1 is the way to go.
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I'm rebuilding my motor in preparation for supercharging and I imported custom forged Manley pistons at 9.0:1 (-6.5cc dish) and forged Manley conrods as well as the MMR oil pump and MMR billet trigger (tone) wheel. I think 9.0:1 is the way to go.
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Any more info/links on the MMR oil pump? Is the plan to use the stock crank?

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Old 26-04-2007, 07:52 PM   #37
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Everytime my computer starts , i hear that noise now chris .. Might Come Visit you Tommorow , Friday for a Chat wink wink nudge nudge
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Old 26-04-2007, 07:55 PM   #38
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Any more info/links on the MMR oil pump? Is the plan to use the stock crank?

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The MMR oil pump is Part No: 400350 and cost me US$219.99. On their site under Modular Engine Components it is still listed at that price. I saw it elsewhere on their site at $299.99, so take your pick. If you type in "MMR oil pump" in Google, you will find nothing but positive comments, but you will also find some negative comments about billet replacement oil pump gears. MMR oil pump is definately the way to go IMO. The standard forged 5.4 crankshaft is perfect and does not need replacing.
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Old 26-04-2007, 08:05 PM   #39
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In the video it looks like the alternator remains in its original position. What do others think? That would save some cost if I am right. What is the clearance between the s/charger pulley and bonnet, Chris? Is it a dual accessory belt system and is the original throttle body used?
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Ohh.. I heard him alright! LOL

I am sure that one of those will just bolt straight on to my car :P
Well... maybe not, a version for the 6 would be fantastic though.:sm_drool:

Boss owners are going to be lined up outside Bluepower tomorrow to place their orders.

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Dude thats cool...........now I want one of them.......very nice sound to...


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I'm rebuilding my motor in preparation for supercharging and I imported custom forged Manley pistons at 9.0:1 (-6.5cc dish) and forged Manley conrods as well as the MMR oil pump and MMR billet trigger (tone) wheel. I think 9.0:1 is the way to go.
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In the video it looks like the alternator remains in its original position. What do others think? That would save some cost if I am right. What is the clearance between the s/charger pulley and bonnet, Chris? Is it a dual accessory belt system and is the original throttle body used?
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Hello Ian, how have you been mate?

This blower kit owes itself to the engineering expertise of Paul Maksacheff of AAV industries.

Paul is a gun fabricator, who originally turned up literally on my doorstep with a 1.8 eaton mounted on his car, and he required a tune.

Much of what i saw needed some re-engineering and improvement - but for the most part, i saw some real genius in his work.

1 - Throttle body stock - plumbed into stock airbox. I liked this, as people who purchased aftermarket airboxes can still put them to good use.

2 - SINGLE BELT ACCESSORY DRIVE - with outstanding belt wrap on the top pulley.

3 - Efficient intercooler setup - Paul fabricates his own intercooler core, and the intake temps are unbelievable!!


After speaking to Paul, I thought the best thing to do would be to pull the thing apart and check it out.

Again, paul had done a pretty good job - I went about re designing the plenum and ports for correct CSA and contour, then i had to tool up to get it on a flowbench, which we did.

Pretty soon after, the blower kit with a baby 1.8 Eaton on top delivered the first 10 sec pass in Australia.

The potential of these kits is enormous. You can put a GM6/71 on it, 1.8 eaton right through to a 3.3 whipple, however research has shown us that we have the best pump for the job on the case in the Kenne Bell. Whilst its not the cheapest (we can save over 1200 per kit using a whipple) after seeing this, i wouldn't use a whipple. Ive used both now, and i know what i like.

Hope this paints a broader picture.

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Hello Ian, how have you been mate?

This blower kit owes itself to the engineering expertise of Paul Maksacheff of AAV industries.

Paul is a gun fabricator, who originally turned up literally on my doorstep with a 1.8 eaton mounted on his car, and he required a tune.

Much of what i saw needed some re-engineering and improvement - but for the most part, i saw some real genius in his work.

1 - Throttle body stock - plumbed into stock airbox. I liked this, as people who purchased aftermarket airboxes can still put them to good use.

2 - SINGLE BELT ACCESSORY DRIVE - with outstanding belt wrap on the top pulley.

3 - Efficient intercooler setup - Paul fabricates his own intercooler core, and the intake temps are unbelievable!!


After speaking to Paul, I thought the best thing to do would be to pull the thing apart and check it out.

Again, paul had done a pretty good job - I went about re designing the plenum and ports for correct CSA and contour, then i had to tool up to get it on a flowbench, which we did.

Pretty soon after, the blower kit with a baby 1.8 Eaton on top delivered the first 10 sec pass in Australia.

The potential of these kits is enormous. You can put a GM6/71 on it, 1.8 eaton right through to a 3.3 whipple, however research has shown us that we have the best pump for the job on the case in the Kenne Bell. Whilst its not the cheapest (we can save over 1200 per kit using a whipple) after seeing this, i wouldn't use a whipple. Ive used both now, and i know what i like.

Hope this paints a broader picture.

Chris
Great Chris, and yourself? This kit has got me very interested. I have just about got the motor out of my GT-P, ready to fit all the good bits I imported. You never answered the question about whether the alternator is in it's original position and what the bonnet clearance is, etc, .......hehe. I have to really congratulate you on what looks like a really well designed kit and obviously your own specially designed and cast manifold since any other manifold in the market place would be too narrow. I will talk to you in the next couple of days. Look forward to having a drink with you come Indy time on the Gold Coast.
Cheers, Ian.
P.S. Did you get time to read up on the article about my TVR Griffith that I sent you earlier this year?
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Great Chris, and yourself? This kit has got me very interested. I have just about got the motor out of my GT-P, ready to fit all the good bits I imported. You never answered the question about whether the alternator is in it's original position and what the bonnet clearance is, etc, .......hehe. I have to really congratulate you on what looks like a really well designed kit and obviously your own specially designed and cast manifold since any other manifold in the market place would be too narrow. I will talk to you in the next couple of days. Look forward to having a drink with you come Indy time on the Gold Coast.
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P.S. Did you get time to read up on the article about my TVR Griffith that I sent you earlier this year?
Ian,

sorry mate - alternator does stay in the stock location.

Paul and I have put over 2.5 years into this project, from tuning to engineering, re-engineering, hitting dead ends, and having some real wins.

And I like winning. Im tempted to install prototype3 onto my stock290 for the AFF drag day.

I did read the article mate, thanks for that - my father read it over my shoulder, and he heard about you back in the day. I saw a grin on dad's face when he saw the car. You blokes would get on great!!

Chat soon mate

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PS - give me a call re the ring gaps in your engine.
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Awesome Chris! (thinks about offloading the T3) Gee you sounded bloody excited about this kit today mate- good to see someone so enthusiastic and proud of their work, really is.

AND- Windsor's you say hey? hmmmmmmmm- you are fantastic mate- what you do for the blue oval guys is fantastic.

The windsors dead- but no- you go and give it some new life! Amen Brother!

Let me know if you need any R&D cars for stroker windsors with Kenne Bell's matey! Have it as long as you like- I'll organise a new block now............ lol
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The missus walked in while I was watching that........ why do I feel like I was busted downloading porn?
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Easy cause you just watched one hell of a blow job......
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[QUOTE=The Old Hoon]What is the clearance between the s/charger pulley and bonnet.QUOTE]

A 6lb pulley only just fits under the bonnet, being so large in diameter. It's got approx 12mm clearance with the belt in place. There is a bonnet support directly above the pulley, so it's tight with the 6lb pulley. Any other pulley fitted will be smaller (for higher boost applications), so the clearance will be greater.

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I watched this last night and oh my god... if I had an BA/F XR8 or GT, I'd be saving for this. Absolutely insane.

Good work guys, keep it up.
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A 6lb pulley only just fits under the bonnet, being so large in diameter. It's got approx 12mm clearance with the belt in place. There is a bonnet support directly above the pulley, so it's tight with the 6lb pulley. Any other pulley fitted will be smaller (for higher boost applications), so the clearance will be greater.

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I Like the sound of that! Its like the natural occuring world of physics is WANTING you to run more boost with a smaller pulley!

I can here the conversation that guys will be making to their partners already-

Husband- "I think it might tap on the bonnet love, its better off if we get that 12psi pully instead of the 6 pound one"

Wife- " Oh, Ok then sweety, But whats a pulley got to do with that funny looking radiator thing that came in the box from Bluepower?'

Husband- "Thats no radiator love, thats an INTERCOOLER, its short name for the "INTERIOR COOLER" to make the air conditioner work more efficiently, for those long trips. it will make riding in the car more comfortable, just for you!"

Wife- 'WOW, you bought that thing thinking about my comfort! And all this time i thought you couldnt give a F A R K about me and were wasting too much time and money on that car. You really are the best husband in the world! Let me make it up to you with some SEXY TIME!!!!'

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Ian,

sorry mate - alternator does stay in the stock location.

Paul and I have put over 2.5 years into this project, from tuning to engineering, re-engineering, hitting dead ends, and having some real wins.

And I like winning. Im tempted to install prototype3 onto my stock290 for the AFF drag day.

I did read the article mate, thanks for that - my father read it over my shoulder, and he heard about you back in the day. I saw a grin on dad's face when he saw the car. You blokes would get on great!!

Chat soon mate

Chris

PS - give me a call re the ring gaps in your engine.
Chris,
Don't be sorry about the alternator being in it's original spot....... I think that is good engineering. Much better than the Y/T. I will ring you re the ring gapping....much appreciated. I will also talk to you about your fuel pump mod that we discussed earlier this year, too. How far away are the finished kits including the intercooler. Kenne Bell seem to suggest on their site that an intercooler is less necessary with their supercharger compared to other brands. Talk to you soon.
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A 6lb pulley only just fits under the bonnet, being so large in diameter. It's got approx 12mm clearance with the belt in place. There is a bonnet support directly above the pulley, so it's tight with the 6lb pulley. Any other pulley fitted will be smaller (for higher boost applications), so the clearance will be greater.

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Thanks for that info AGRO. I would imagine that I would be going with 8 psi boost with 9.0:1 compression. ADR compliance does interest me very much though.
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Old 27-04-2007, 12:35 PM   #59
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Hi Chris,

Awesome kit mate. Hey I remember the advice you gave me about SC's when I was there last week .... but.... how easy is it to fit the inter-cooler later? Once you have the kits sorted I will ring you about $$$numbers.

I feel another drive to Melbourne coming on.

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Awesome kit mate. Hey I remember the advice you gave me about SC's when I was there last week .... but.... how easy is it to fit the inter-cooler later? Once you have the kits sorted I will ring you about $$$numbers.

I feel another drive to Melbourne coming on.

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