VFACTS June 2019 - Page 2

**DFB FGXR6** · 04-07-2019, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Toyota still seem to have their reputation to take to the bank but for the life of me I just can't figure out how they do it. They offer the worst warranties and the least features and often the lowest tech, and still walk out on top.

anything less than 5yr warranty these days I wouldn't even bother with.

Agree with most of your points however just for clarity, Toyota now offer a 5 year warranty with 7 years on the driveline if serviced according to schedule.

https://www.toyota.com.au/owners/warranty

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hayseed

If Ford gave the 2WD Ranger some more Promotion, They'd knock the Thailux off It's pedestal, & stand a good chance of building some future Brand Loyalty....

Does it really matter though, even if Ford sold an additional 1000 4x2 Rangers and claimed the no1 spot for model sales they're still down in 5th spot, it might make for isolated bragging rights, but im sure Toyota's 3 to 1 total sales over Ford will keep them content.
Lets not forget, Fords king of the mountain accounts for 3/4 of its total sales, Toyota's Hilux accounts for a 1/4 with the Prado, Kluger, Rav4 and Corolla all featuring in the top 20 models and ahead of the next best selling Ford product.

Putting all your eggs in one basket only applies to one of the above manufacturers.
Don't get me wrong, they're good eggs in a good basket, but that's the reality of it.

**FTE217** · 04-07-2019, 07:23 PM

prydey - no matter what some here think re QC of the Toys, they keep on keeping on......
Barring the diesel dpf issues that most have as well in that/those segments, they all are cheaper build quality compared to the good ol days but myself and others I know have NO other problems.......
They are still generally good white goods day to day vehicles.
I haven't had a QC issue @ 170thou k's now on mine.
Thats life as a toy driver mostly.
I'd really like to when to upgrade to a BT50 for as you say Mazda are good as well (wife has a CX5) but BT50's are a poor Ranger so I wouldn't bother but good saving in the pocket.
I think I'll go V6 Rok, for I want that power for D4's and everything in that category sucks engine wise imo.

Sprintey · 04-07-2019, 07:30 PM

Mondeo at 51 is a very big % hit from the 70-80 it was doing. Restricted range is being felt in the sales.

Sprintey · 04-07-2019, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

With the uncertainty of the Federal election having passed and the first rate cut by the RBA at the start of June, it seems like neither of these had any impact to lift car sales.

Holden 'winners'

Acadia - 331
Astra - 219
Colorado 4x2 - 172
Colorado 4x4 - 1977
Commodore - 550
Equinox - 679
Trailblazer - 207
Trax - 682

It's going to take a while to recoup the $100Mn+ RHD development cost for the Acadia...

prydey · 04-07-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE217

prydey - no matter what some here think re QC of the Toys, they keep on keeping on......
Barring the diesel dpf issues that most have as well in that/those segments, they all are cheaper build quality compared to the good ol days but myself and others I know have NO other problems.......
They are still generally good white goods day to day vehicles.
I haven't had a QC issue @ 170thou k's now on mine.
Thats life as a toy driver mostly.
.

Just shows that for many people, all they want is transport. I wasn't saying they were bad cars. That's why I mentioned 'peace of mind'.

naddis01 · 04-07-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Yes picking up was probably a poor choice of words, however, it was with regards to my statement made in December which was based on feedback given to me by an Isuzu salesman and therefore only relevant to his month to month figures, I guess a broader statement for accuracy would be holding its own all things considered in a declining market.
There are so many facets to the new car market its difficult to encompass them all when commenting on trends.

Maybe local factors are having a bigger influence in that case as the figures don't seem to support that view. The Dmax is falling as fast or faster than the LCV segment as a whole.

vztrt · 04-07-2019, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

Just shows that for many people, all they want is transport.

I'd say the top 10 is exactly that.

**DFB FGXR6** · 04-07-2019, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Got a link, cheapest auto XLS I could find was 50k for the Sport, against the Dmax for 46k in LS-U form.

Value for money i'd say, people only care about gadgets and warranty.

https://www.ford.com.au/latest-offers/national

BENT_8 · 04-07-2019, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

https://www.ford.com.au/latest-offers/national

The cheaper ones are manual, I compared auto's, there are cheaper manual Dmax's too.
And to be fair, the XLS is probably closer in comparison to the LS-M which can be had for $42k d.a. in manual form.

au2000 · 05-07-2019, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

With the uncertainty of the Federal election having passed and the first rate cut by the RBA at the start of June, it seems like neither of these had any impact to lift car sales.

Holden 'winners'

Acadia - 331
Astra - 219
Colorado 4x2 - 172
Colorado 4x4 - 1977
Commodore - 550
Equinox - 679
Trailblazer - 207
Trax - 682

Jesus, the TRAX is doing better numbers than the commodore !
So once the PSA products come out of Holden's list that will leave them what 5 models to sell? How much longer past that point can Holden itself last?

au2000 · 05-07-2019, 02:26 AM

Ford sales without ranger, were about the 2,300 figure for the month,
Holden - without Colorado sales were 2,668 for the month...

TBH I'm actually shocked that the rest of the Holden products outsold the Ford stable..

au2000 · 05-07-2019, 02:34 AM

top ten model sales by brand,

Toyota = 3 models at sales of 11,191 (2,911 of which would be accounted for new & runout Rav 4)
Hyundai = 2 models at sales of 5687
Mazda = 2 models at sales of 5,444
Ford = 1 model at sales of 4851
Kia = 1 model at sales of 2832
Mitsubishi = 1 model at sales of 2695

jpd80 · 05-07-2019, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

Ford sales without ranger, were about the 2,300 figure for the month,
Holden - without Colorado sales were 2,668 for the month...

TBH I'm actually shocked that the rest of the Holden products outsold the Ford stable..

Of course if you ignore the elephant in the room (Ranger), Holden will always beat Ford.
Sure, with out Ranger and Colorado in the picture, Holden shaves Ford by 338 sales.
Man, that's Holden's sales diversty at work....

**Fordman1** · 05-07-2019, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Of course if you ignore the elephant in the room (Ranger), Holden will always beat Ford.

There is no Elephant.

Ranger is a mainstream product.

Why even have this Dumb **** discussion ?

jpd80 · 05-07-2019, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fordman1

There is no Elephant.

You completely misread my post.

The elephant in the room is Ranger's success and the pro Holden lot can't stand it.

If we had offered that sort of rubbish hypothesis of ignoring the sales of top selling products
in Holden's apex years, we would have been laughed off the boards. Yet it's more than
acceptable to take a poke at Ford with a product that stands toe to toe with hilux sales.
Of more concern should be why even at lower prices Colorado refuses to sell in higher numbers.

And I was being sarcastic regarding the claimed diversified sales at Holden,
that argument evaporated some time last year..

Trendseeker · 05-07-2019, 10:49 PM

Quantity of vehicles is one measure, revenue and margin is another. If we’re talking hypothetically (if Ford didn’t have the Ranger etc) we could also say if sales revenue was the measure Hyundai would slide down the rankings because most of its sales were cheap i30s compared to the much higher priced Ranger. The distance between Ford and the brands occupying the higher placed rankings would be closer too.

au2000 · 06-07-2019, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

You completely misread my post.

The elephant in the room is Ranger's success and the pro Holden lot can't stand it.

If we had offered that sort of rubbish hypothesis of ignoring the sales of top selling products
in Holden's apex years, we would have been laughed off the boards. Yet it's more than
acceptable to take a poke at Ford with a product that stands toe to toe with hilux sales.
Of more concern should be why even at lower prices Colorado refuses to sell in higher numbers.

And I was being sarcastic regarding the claimed diversified sales at Holden,
that argument evaporated some time last year..

lol the pro holden lot???? you are joking right... & how exactly in that post did I take a shot at ford?

love how you ignore the final line of my post

" TBH I'm actually shocked that the rest of the Holden products outsold the Ford stable.."

all thats been pointed out is the "elephant" in the room as you call it.. Yes the ranger is doing well & good on em, but that is the only Ford product to raise a mention fullstop. Im not blinded with blue glasses unlike some, I'm a realist, For me, with Ranger doing so well there's no reason why ford should not build on its success & get these buyers into other ford products while they are there, support the products that are on offer & try to get better numbers on the rest of the range. The rest of the comparison I made highlighted that the rest of the range should do better than the holden items so the real question to me is why cant ford get better sales numbers on the rest of the range..

Dr Smith · 06-07-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Seriously, what Ford DH approves a vehicle like this for our market knowing that it's getting canned in Europe..

Until Ford sorts Ford Europe, Ford Aust, can't even get a leg into the SUV conversation.
where's our hybrid Explorer/Puma/Escape?...where's our anything?

I'm thinking the same...the only thing I can see is the dropping of Edge in UK and really any chance of a RHD model in future was a very recent decision that has caught out Ford Aust.

Maybe the 7 seat Escape will be Ok to fill the loss if it's offered here however it's a VW Tiguan Allspace size-class. The new Explorer hybrid looks like a ripper, will be available in Europe before the US but it's not RHD

...a Kluger/CX-9/SanteFe competitor but not here....(if I win Lotto I'm going to buy and rhd convert a Lincoln Aviator

)

Makes me appreciate my Territory even more...

**Fordman1** · 06-07-2019, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I'm thinking the same...the only thing I can see is the dropping of Edge in UK and really any chance of a RHD model in future was a very recent decision that has caught out Ford Aust.

Maybe the 7 seat Escape will be Ok to fill the loss if it's offered here however it's a VW Tiguan Allspace size-class. The new Explorer hybrid looks like a ripper, will be available in Europe before the US but it's not RHD

...a Kluger/CX-9/SanteFe competitor but not here....(if I win Lotto I'm going to buy and rhd convert a Lincoln Aviator

)

Makes me appreciate my Territory even more...

It’s a shame isn’t it ?

Bean counters taking low volume markets ( in comparison) out of product cycles.

I’ve driven an Endura Titanium it’s a nice bit of kit, but it seems it’s fate for this market is sealed.

We’ll look at the 2020 Escape next year, the only thing that could be a concern will be shoulder / hip room for the back seat with a baby seat etc.

We miss our Territory, it was just brilliant and an amazing vehicle in its time.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2019, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Got a link, cheapest auto XLS I could find was 50k for the Sport, against the Dmax for 46k in LS-U form.

Value for money i'd say, people only care about gadgets and warranty.

Walk into a dealer. Ford don’t let dealers advertise new cars on carsales haven’t done for 12 months.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Mondeo at 51 is a very big % hit from the 70-80 it was doing. Restricted range is being felt in the sales.

Mondeo is dead.... they are bringing in some for fleet customers till Christmas then it will be NLA.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

Ford sales without ranger, were about the 2,300 figure for the month,
Holden - without Colorado sales were 2,668 for the month...

TBH I'm actually shocked that the rest of the Holden products outsold the Ford stable..

Holden is basically selling every car at a loss to move them and keep market share... Ford is relying on Ranger and Mustang both with reasonable margins, the rest they aren’t pushing at a loss..

jpd80 · 06-07-2019, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by au2000

lol the pro holden lot???? you are joking right... & how exactly in that post did I take a shot at ford?

love how you ignore the final line of my post

" TBH I'm actually shocked that the rest of the Holden products outsold the Ford stable.."

all thats been pointed out is the "elephant" in the room as you call it.. Yes the ranger is doing well & good on em, but that is the only Ford product to raise a mention fullstop. Im not blinded with blue glasses unlike some, I'm a realist, For me, with Ranger doing so well there's no reason why ford should not build on its success & get these buyers into other ford products while they are there, support the products that are on offer & try to get better numbers on the rest of the range. The rest of the comparison I made highlighted that the rest of the range should do better than the holden items so the real question to me is why cant ford get better sales numbers on the rest of the range..

My response to Fordman1 was not aimed at your post,
I get a bit of flak on GM. Sites that begins with,
“If we forget about Ranger, Ford sales are terrible,
SSO let’s deduct poor selling Colorado so we can make
Holden look like a small victory”

As I sometimes point out to my GM associates,
“If only...” is the preposition of regret....

prydey · 06-07-2019, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Walk into a dealer. Ford don’t let dealers advertise new cars on carsales haven’t done for 12 months.

I thought a law was passed to stop all manufacturers advertising new cars on carsales? pretty sure it still happens. maybe I heard wrong.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-07-2019, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

I thought a law was passed to stop all manufacturers advertising new cars on carsales? pretty sure it still happens. maybe I heard wrong.

No it’s an internal manufacturer “thing”. Toyota and Holden have been doing it for years.

au2000 · 07-07-2019, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

My response to Fordman1 was not aimed at your post,
I get a bit of flak on GM. Sites that begins with,
“If we forget about Ranger, Ford sales are terrible,
SSO let’s deduct poor selling Colorado so we can make
Holden look like a small victory”

As I sometimes point out to my GM associates,
“If only...” is the preposition of regret....

i'll apologise for the assumption.. honestly thought u were having a shot

**janddbone** · 07-07-2019, 12:47 AM

Hyundai/Kia are a clear runaway success if you consider the platform sharing in their three top 10 cars, i30, Tucson, Cerato. Compare to the platform mess that is Ford and GM even after a decade of One Ford and a near cleansheet GM.

Now the biggest bloody question, how where and when did MG sell over 1000 cars in June???

csv8 · 07-07-2019, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by janddbone

Hyundai/Kia are a clear runaway success if you consider the platform sharing in their three top 10 cars, i30, Tucson, Cerato. Compare to the platform mess that is Ford and GM even after a decade of One Ford and a near cleansheet GM.

Now the biggest bloody question, how where and when did MG sell over 1000 cars in June???

There are quite a few in Rockhampton. Might not be great car, but it sells on price.

BENT_8 · 07-07-2019, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by janddbone

Now the biggest bloody question, how where and when did MG sell over 1000 cars in June???

Their MG3 is the 2019 version of the Hyundai Sprint of the late 90's, an alternative to slightly second hand for young first car loan buyers.

My Son's girlfriend was in this position recently, looking to finance her first car, she could only get approval for $15k and MG are offering the 3 at $14,990da with $1k cashback included, in the end she found a 2015 Swift RE4 with 20k's for $13k which is a nice car but the MG3 was certainly worth a look if you wanted new at that price point.