HSV Turns up the heat (updated with official details) - Page 2

Bossxr8 · 30-06-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSSGT302

Yep, numbers on Coyote V8 in current Wheels mag, 5ltr V8 285kw for XR8, 335kw for FPV GT and in 2011 a new GTHO 5.8ltr with 350kw, FPV turns up the heat.

: Plus Coyote approx 100kg lighter than current Boss motor. Sounds good to me, and

: to HSV.

It will most likely be the 351kw supercharged motor across the whole V8 FPV range from next year, AFAIK there is no 5.8 litre version.

There's no HO in the making either. They have discussed it but have no plans to make it as of yet.

BOSSGT302 · 30-06-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will most likely be the 351kw supercharged motor across the whole V8 FPV range from next year, AFAIK there is no 5.8 litre version.

There's no HO in the making either. They have discussed it but have no plans to make it as of yet.

You are probably right as Wheels do print alot of propaganda, usually in Holdens favour, but we will have wait and see. Unless you work in the coyote developement section at FOMOCO and have the good sauce.

ea90gl · 30-06-2009, 10:13 PM

You know what will happen if FPV launch the 351KW blown donk and it out guns the HSV V8's, it will be shot down in seconds by the millions of bogan Holden followers. The excuse will be "yeah but chuck on a blower on the LS and see what happens" which would be true but the difference in capacity of 1.3litres between donks will somewhat be overlooked as it has been for years gone by

4Vman · 30-06-2009, 10:18 PM

I hope FPV label it 300kw and its faster and quicker than the current HSV's....Some of you are far too focused on badges...
Advertised numbers are becoming less and less relevant.

BOSSGT302 · 30-06-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

You know what will happen if FPV launch the 351KW blown donk and it out guns the HSV V8's, it will be shot down in seconds by the millions of bogan Holden followers. The excuse will be "yeah but chuck on a blower on the LS and see what happens" which would be true but the difference in capacity of 1.3litres between donks will somewhat be overlooked as it has been for years gone by

Just look at Corvette v Mustang, if my memory serves me right, the LS3 6.2ltr Blown Corvette has 476kw and 5.4ltr Blown Shelby Mustang produces 514kw but no drive train warranty. .8ltr difference and the numbers go to Ford. Add the blower and let the party begin. Remember these cars are the top of the range and not the common day ride.

burnz · 30-06-2009, 10:22 PM

i wish all car company's would lable the max newton's @ X amount of rpm's.

that would make it easer to sort out the usefull from the useless.

vztrt · 30-06-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

i wish all car company's would lable the max newton's @ X amount of rpm's.

that would make it easer to sort out the usefull from the useless.

What you cant go to the companies website and look it up??

Windsor220 · 30-06-2009, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I hope FPV label it 300kw and its faster and quicker than the current HSV's....Some of you are far too focused on badges...
Advertised numbers are becoming less and less relevant.

I think this is what will start happening. Much like the Jap cars and the 206kw "gentlemans agreement". We all know that alot of those cars were putting out more than that. Even the old HO was rated around 220kw but was closer to 300.
If HSV and FPV start putting big numbers on there regular models and continously keep going up then old Ruddster might end up having a quiet word with them.

**Falcon Coupe** · 30-06-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It will most likely be the 351kw supercharged motor across the whole V8 FPV range from next year, AFAIK there is no 5.8 litre version.

There's no HO in the making either. They have discussed it but have no plans to make it as of yet.

351kw is quite a jump for FPV, if it were so they would most likely sit on that figure for a decade.

4Vman · 30-06-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

351kw is quite a jump for FPV, if it were so they would most likely sit on that figure for a decade.

It could be 400kw and there's no way FPV will advertise it at that, i wouldnt expect advertised numbers to be too much up from where thay are now...
Leaves plenty of room to move into the future to keep the badge zealots happy...

R-Design · 30-06-2009, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

Even the old HO was rated around 220kw but was closer to 300.

I don't think anyone would have an issue with this as long as the 'on-road' performance lived up to expectations.

When was the last time an equivalent FPV was faster than HSV out of the box? The current GT's a fair way off the pace:

Wheels Performance Times

4Vman · 30-06-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I don't think anyone would have an issue with this as long as the 'on-road' performance lived up to expectations.

When was the last time an equivalent FPV was faster than HSV out of the box?

Anything FG...

prydey · 30-06-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Some of you are far too focused on badges...
Advertised numbers are becoming less and less relevant.

absolutely. both fpv and hsv have had their top v8 cars put back to back on dyno's at various stages and the ford has rarely been shown up.

also this article is exactly the sort of thing the new ford boss had a crack at recently. the constant dangling of the carrot by holden.

prydey · 30-06-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

When was the last time an equivalent FPV was faster than HSV out of the box? The current GT's a fair way off the pace:

http://www.wheelsmag.com.au/wheels/site/articleIDs/B860C0F652D6582ECA25759B0008D045/$file/results.jpg

how often in the real world do you drive with you foot nailed to the carpet for 400m? these numbers are for bragging rights in the pub only.

also regarding the quoted times, you'll notice once up and rolling the gt is more than a match for the holden. the boss is very difficult to launch.

Windsor220 · 30-06-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I don't think anyone would have an issue with this as long as the 'on-road' performance lived up to expectations.

When was the last time an equivalent FPV was faster than HSV out of the box? The current GT's a fair way off the pace:

Wheels Performance Times

The GT isnt that far off. A NZ car mag done a 13.4 with one. They pull higher ET after the qaurter compared to HSVs, have equivalent rolling acceleration and RWKW are usually in th GTs favour. Track times are never going to be brilliant with the heavy front it is a street car afterall.

R-Design · 30-06-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

how often in the real world do you drive with you foot nailed to the carpet for 400m? these numbers are for bragging rights in the pub only.

I'm not saying it's wrong or right, but 'bragging rights' are what sell cars. If you want to put bums in seats you've got to be the latest and greatest, anything else is an excuse. On what was the GT legend formulated?

4Vman · 30-06-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

I'm not saying it's wrong or right, but 'bragging rights' are what sell cars. If you want to put bums in seats you've got to be the latest and greatest, anything else is an excuse. On what was the GT legend formulated?

RESULTS.. not numbers....

GT69 · 30-06-2009, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I hope FPV label it 300kw and its faster and quicker than the current HSV's....Some of you are far too focused on badges...
Advertised numbers are becoming less and less relevant.

I think it would be nice to lose the KW rating on the FPV's. Maybe then the buying public wont be readily able to compare them on propaganda value alone....mind you i dont believe people actually buy cars because when the badge says.

4Vman · 30-06-2009, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GT69

I think it would be nice to lose the KW rating on the FPV's. Maybe then the buying public wont be readily able to compare them on propaganda value alone....mind you i dont believe people actually buy cars because when the badge says.

1 brand has a following more interested badge numbers, the other brand has a following more interested in badge history... i'll let you guess which is which...

R-Design · 30-06-2009, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

RESULTS.. not numbers....

I see your point, but in 2009 all we've got are numbers.

I'm sure everyone would feel better about putting down their $70k knowing their purchase more than matches the direct competition (in any measure you care to mention).

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the other brand has a following more interested in badge history...

You can only live off history for so long.

dallasv8 · 01-07-2009, 12:52 AM

whichever way ford go as far as v8's go, if its got a blower on it it will get buyers.

Bossxr8 · 01-07-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

351kw is quite a jump for FPV, if it were so they would most likely sit on that figure for a decade.

Wheels quoted a source as saying they are sick of the 315 this and 317 that numbers are want to make a significant jump to move the game forward.

4Vman · 01-07-2009, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Wheels quoted a source as saying they are sick of the 315 this and 317 that numbers are want to make a significant jump to move the game forward.

Well if wheels said it we know its wrong then....

**DJM83** · 02-07-2009, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Well if wheels said it we know its wrong then....

So true Norm the old friend from a friend trick

flappist · 02-07-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

1 brand has a following more interested badge numbers, the other brand has a following more interested in badge history... i'll let you guess which is which...

AFF Crossword.

21 Down) Badge history (7 letters)

hmmm, lets see, starts with ST and ends with IPES......

R-Design · 03-07-2009, 02:27 PM

HSV confirms E Series 2

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2575E8000C2A34

**DJM83** · 03-07-2009, 07:17 PM

'Multi million dollar upgrade'?

4Vman · 03-07-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

'Multi million dollar upgrade'?

Dallas, the tooling for a new bumper is over 500K... 2 new bumpers means over a $mil on bumpers alone.
The new series bodykit, its more "square" than the current kit.

**DJM83** · 03-07-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Dallas, the tooling for a new bumper is over 500K... 2 new bumpers means over a $mil on bumpers alone.
The new series bodykit, its more "square" than the current kit.

Yeah i know Norm it was just a light hearted dig

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**Falcon Coupe** · 03-07-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Well if wheels said it we know its wrong then....

That may well be the truth, FPV understating power levels means it should be more