Are the Lights still on at Ford Australia?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by chich

There is absolutely nothing about the Everest that is appealing.. too big, too heavy, too slow, looks like a truck, diesel only fuel, poor fit & finish, too expensive, etc, etc. I've driven my fair share of both newer & older Everests to know its not for us. Handing over 90k on top of it all would just be insulting..

I liked the Everest but will agree with you on the diesel fuel only and high price, decided to hang on the old ranger (low K's) and go for a smaller more refined vehicle that does not run on diesel.
Geez I hate to imagine the price of the PHEV Ranger & possible Everest when they come on the market.

[SapperAstro]

Originally Posted by chich

We went looking for a replacement for our Territory and our local Ford dealership showed an Everest to the wife. She took one look, laughed then walked out of the place. Ended up going elsewhere & haven't looked back since. Looking to buy another car again and won't be stepping foot back into a Ford dealership.. I'm done. 90k for a tractor made in a third world country.. no thanks.

We are in the same boat here. The Territory seems irreplaceable, even the opposition vehicles don't have the same power, luggage space, ride and so on. Unless you spend an absolute fortune on some CX90 or something...

[chich]

Originally Posted by SapperAstro

We are in the same boat here. The Territory seems irreplaceable, even the opposition vehicles don't have the same power, luggage space, ride and so on. Unless you spend an absolute fortune on some CX90 or something...

Yeah I think you're right.. the Territory was right on the sweet spot when it comes to value for money. Even Hyundai are asking mid-60s for anything close to a Terra.

I drove the CX60 phev & petrol versions late last year and was pretty underwhelmed. Hard suspension, sounded pretty average (surprised given it's a generated sound..), clucked badly in reverse, and let's be honest isn't the most pritiest thing to look at. The Phev version was just over 100k for the Azami spec. Apparently they've revised the suspension & trans calibration now, but the train has left the station for us now so i wouldn't consider one again. Then there's trying to sleep at night knowing you've dropped 105k on a Mazda when you could've bought European for just a little more..

[lra]

Suggestion for Ford Territory replacement ..........
Mustang Mach-E body, AWD 5 litre V8, about $65K, Australia only model.
Simples, winner, winner, chicken dinner.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by Honest Gaza

In 2021 when we had to replace our FPV-GT with a 'Tow Vehicle' my Wife took the Everest for a test drive and was completely underwhelmed. Unfortunately, she was comparing the acceleration with the GT and I believe she was thinking too much about the features instead of just sitting back and experiencing the ride.

I convinced her to go back for a second test drive a few weeks later and the response was completely the opposite. She fell in love with it and we placed an order almost immediately. Now I can't get her out of it.

So if you are still in the market, ask your wife to keep an open mind and take a test drive. Surely, it has to be an improvement on the Territory.

The new Everest is a great car, but it's better than a Territory in powertrain/towing and extra tech.....for driving dynamics and comfort it's not...now if the tech could be reversed engineered and the powertrain dropped into the Terry engine bay...it would make it one of the best SUV's on the road once again...I think they would have named it SZIII (or TA ) or whatever the new model might have been named if a program was instigated.

[SapperAstro]

Originally Posted by chich

Yeah I think you're right.. the Territory was right on the sweet spot when it comes to value for money. Even Hyundai are asking mid-60s for anything close to a Terra. I drove the CX60 phev & petrol versions late last year and was pretty underwhelmed. Hard suspension, sounded pretty average (surprised given it's a generated sound..), clucked badly in reverse, and let's be honest isn't the most pritiest thing to look at. The Phev version was just over 100k for the Azami spec. Apparently they've revised the suspension & trans calibration now, but the train has left the station for us now so i wouldn't consider one again. Then there's trying to sleep at night knowing you've dropped 105k on a Mazda when you could've bought European for just a little more..

Eh, if I dropped a whole load of cash on a Euro, I would be kept awake at night counting dollar figures for any repairs that would crop up (and they would).

We have tried just about everything in a similar "segment" to the Territory, and it has been found wanting, with addition that the price of all these possible replacements is through the roof. Our Territory was one of the lower end models when we bought it new in 2016, and has the Barra engine. The new possible replacements usually have gutless engines in the lower specs, and even these are super expensive.

Plenty of life left in Territory, and thankfully I have looked after it, so there's no hurry. Mrs just got the usual "oh but it's getting old" thing going. She has quietened down after test driving the possible "upgrades" haha.

[Sprintey]

Yep in the same boat here, possible upgrades of Territory are all missing something, whether it be size/power/comfort/ride/handling/practicality/full time AWD/fuel type. And then the price/value for money equation. But that's the world we live in now.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Yep in the same boat here, possible upgrades of Territory are all missing something, whether it be size/power/comfort/ride/handling/practicality/full time AWD/fuel type. And then the price/value for money equation. But that's the world we live in now.

We got dropped off at the football recently by family friends, a 2016 Petrol Territory, we sat in the back.

I swear it was the best ride we’ve experienced in the back seat of a family car, the Territory was amazing. I told him it was fantastic, and he smiled.

We have a 2023.25 Escape Vignale and a 2016 Mustang, that Territory was Amazing I feel like playing that add from 2004:

https://youtu.be/H3OZ94ToVis?si=e16iw2fZOBJv2VDJ

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

We got dropped off at the football recently by family friends, a 2016 Petrol Territory, we sat in the back.

I swear it was the best ride we’ve experienced in the back seat of a family car, the Territory was amazing. I told him it was fantastic, and he smiled.

We have a 2023.25 Escape Vignale and a 2016 Mustang, that Territory was Amazing I feel like playing that add from 2004:

https://youtu.be/H3OZ94ToVis?si=e16iw2fZOBJv2VDJ

And an amazing price on that advert.

[chich]

Originally Posted by SapperAstro

Eh, if I dropped a whole load of cash on a Euro, I would be kept awake at night counting dollar figures for any repairs that would crop up (and they would).

Might want to have a chat to my mate who recently had to change the fuel rail in his 2015 diesel Territory Titanium. $1500 supply only from Ford vs $250 from an online store in QLD for a brand new OEM JLR equivalent. The point here is that if you don't do your research and just go for the easiest or most convenient option when out of warranty, then it'll cost you dearly, European or not.

And as for the European cars having a bad reputation, our Territory (2016 petrol Titanium purchased new) has been the most unreliable car I've had in my 25yrs on the road. Sagging door trims, faulty door module, bushes flogged out in 20K kms, leaky front cover, intermittent ICC, broken heater (dash out job), leaky front strut, the list goes on.. all in less than 60K kms. Bloody thing has been at the dealer more times for warranty work than servicing.

Originally Posted by SapperAstro

We have tried just about everything in a similar "segment" to the Territory, and it has been found wanting, with addition that the price of all these possible replacements is through the roof. Our Territory was one of the lower end models when we bought it new in 2016, and has the Barra engine. The new possible replacements usually have gutless engines in the lower specs, and even these are super expensive.

Keep looking.. there are many options out there - Subaru, Mazda, Volvo, BMW, etc. Yes they're more expensive, but (.. as much as I hate saying this) at the end of the day they are better cars. Unfortunately the market has moved on and good, practical, no-fuss, reasonably priced cars like the Territory just don't exist anymore.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by chich

Might want to have a chat to my mate who recently had to change the fuel rail in his 2015 diesel Territory Titanium. $1500 supply only from Ford vs $250 from an online store in QLD for a brand new OEM JLR equivalent. The point here is that if you don't do your research and just go for the easiest or most convenient option when out of warranty, then it'll cost you dearly, European or not.

And as for the European cars having a bad reputation, our Territory (2016 petrol Titanium purchased new) has been the most unreliable car I've had in my 25yrs on the road. Sagging door trims, faulty door module, bushes flogged out in 20K kms, leaky front cover, intermittent ICC, broken heater (dash out job), leaky front strut, the list goes on.. all in less than 60K kms. Bloody thing has been at the dealer more times for warranty work than servicing.



Keep looking.. there are many options out there - Subaru, Mazda, Volvo, BMW, etc. Yes they're more expensive, but (.. as much as I hate saying this) at the end of the day they are better cars. Unfortunately the market has moved on and good, practical, no-fuss, reasonably priced cars like the Territory just don't exist anymore.

spot on bold you quoted.
Long gone family mid to large cars are long term ownership as in the past we grew up with.
Well you can be lucky on some brands but generally no more inline 6 motors easy maintenance etcetc...unless you buy old models and your that type doing so.
Euro's are great driving modes of DD depending the type that suits your needs - out of WTY is always the gamble again you might be lucky and you might know a good Independant Euro workshop you can save some dollars.
I'm fortunate to own pretty late model euro with WTY and low k's, once I get towards 70/80k will be flipped thats my way to avoid those scary what ifs.
In the meantime the driving and ownership is very satisfying being an Enthusiast.
I do not care of the depreciation might I add, if you have those concerns don't buy.
On the other hand for others you can't beat Jap/Korean modes of DDrivers especially with their good long WTY's of today.

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by FTE217

good long WTY's of today.

and this, especially. most buyers these days don't really care about driving the car, but with capped servicing and 7/8/9 year warranty, even the most average drivers' car flies off the forecourt

[SapperAstro]

Originally Posted by chich

Might want to have a chat to my mate who recently had to change the fuel rail in his 2015 diesel Territory Titanium. $1500 supply only from Ford vs $250 from an online store in QLD for a brand new OEM JLR equivalent. The point here is that if you don't do your research and just go for the easiest or most convenient option when out of warranty, then it'll cost you dearly, European or not.And as for the European cars having a bad reputation, our Territory (2016 petrol Titanium purchased new) has been the most unreliable car I've had in my 25yrs on the road. Sagging door trims, faulty door module, bushes flogged out in 20K kms, leaky front cover, intermittent ICC, broken heater (dash out job), leaky front strut, the list goes on.. all in less than 60K kms. Bloody thing has been at the dealer more times for warranty work than servicing.Keep looking.. there are many options out there - Subaru, Mazda, Volvo, BMW, etc. Yes they're more expensive, but (.. as much as I hate saying this) at the end of the day they are better cars. Unfortunately the market has moved on and good, practical, no-fuss, reasonably priced cars like the Territory just don't exist anymore.

I steered clear of the diesel options in the Territory back when I was buying, as I saw they were also in Landrovers, etc, so thought they might be a bit of a gamble. Naturally they would be better on fuel than the Barra, while nothing went wrong...and plenty of people had a good run. But if/when something went wrong, the price of fixing things is fun. In contrast, the Barra can be fixed for peanuts/by yourself, should anything actually go wrong with them.

I am sorry to hear you had a bad time with your petrol Territory. Mine has been great, with only the rotors being silly, but I sorted that out by backing off the brake master cylinder. No probs in that area again thus far. I no doubt have bushes, centre bearing, and so on to enjoy in the future, but these are peanuts to fix next to other issues. I have also been lucky with the electrics, with not even an electric window switch falling over as yet. I already put in a transmission cooler, being a veteran of the "Ford Transmission intercooler" stupidity over the years. Fit and finish is ok, though I never expected a rose garden in this department with Ford Australia. It is what it is, and hasn't adversely affected anything.

In regards to other vehicles, I am open to suggestions though, so what vehicles, specifically, would be good replacements for a 2016 petrol Territory? Preferably vehicles that match or exceed the rear boot storage space, power, ride and comfort, (I won't say reliability, as while I have had a winner, you seem to have suffered a lemon, so we'll leave that aspect out of the equation) as this is the vehicle that takes my family on holidays and long drives. I use a Mazda 3 as my little daily work hopper.

[kevino]

Ford is going to reopen its closed Chennai plant to build vehicles for export?
JPD80 is there a glimmer of hope that Ford can supply Ford Ute Aus with some suv s or cars?

[kevino]

Chennai -India

[Ford17]

Ford is offering what the market wants.

Do you think everyone is enjoying driving around in trucks, now?

Early adaptors had the advantage of being able to see over vehicles in traffic, but that no longer holds true.

Wonder what the next phase or trend will be like?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Ford17

Ford is offering what the market wants.

Do you think everyone is enjoying driving around in trucks, now?

Early adaptors had the advantage of being able to see over vehicles in traffic, but that no longer holds true.

Wonder what the next phase or trend will be like?

https://www.kenworth.com.au/trucks/t610-series/t610sar/

Everyone to get HR licences and drive around in Kenworth T610SARs bobtail because 'the missus likes sitting up higher'

They've been training for it over the past decade, they're already used to the cruise liner steering of a Thailand Special

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Ford17

Ford is offering what the market wants.

When you go to your supermarket and look at the soft drink aisle, the cheap brands offer every flavour you can imagine.

Coke sticks to their 3 or 4 main products. They occasionally bring a flavoured Coke but generally only in limited supply.

There are many other companies that don't feel the need to compete in every segment or try to be all things to all people.

Many auto manufacturers are like this also.

Just because they offered something previously, or sell it in other markets doesn't mean they are obliged to sell it here.

This is Ford now. If they don't sell something you like, buy something else. Very simple. Here in Australia there is an abundance of choice.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

they're already used to the cruise liner steering of a Thailand Special

I've had many ford's over the years. Laser, focus, falcon, territory, escape and Everest.

All varying designs and purposes.

Not once have I lamented the 'handling' that is apparently lacking in some of them.

I turn the wheel and the vehicle turns. Pretty simple.

Oh, I don't drive like a moron though. Perhaps that's why I don't really relate?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

Chennai -India

Yep, starting up New Ecosport production for Export markets around the world
let’s hope this version is a bit more upmarket, could be a shock after the the Puma.

I wonder what other engineering and production will be outsourced to India,
feels like some manufacturers will be leaving China in the next few years.
Either way, this could be the start of something good for our region…

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Ford17

Ford is offering what the market wants.

Do you think everyone is enjoying driving around in trucks, now?

Early adaptors had the advantage of being able to see over vehicles in traffic, but that no longer holds true.

Wonder what the next phase or trend will be like?

Like it or not, the weight of numbers now dictate that people buy vehicles where they sit higher
to improve vision in traffic and parking lots. Had an awful experience in my EB recently when
trying to back out of a park, had a van one side and a Ranger on the other, couldn’t see a thing
and nearly got cleaned up by an impatient car park speedster….big cars used to be the road bullies…

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Like it or not, the weight of numbers now dictate that people buy vehicles where they sit higher
to improve vision in traffic and parking lots.

I'd be interested to see a survey on why people choose higher cars. Once you've experienced the superior entry and exit height of an SUV style car, especially if older or health issues, there's no going back.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

I've had many ford's over the years. Laser, focus, falcon, territory, escape and Everest.

All varying designs and purposes.

Not once have I lamented the 'handling' that is apparently lacking in some of them.

I turn the wheel and the vehicle turns. Pretty simple.

Oh, I don't drive like a moron though. Perhaps that's why I don't really relate?

Thats because you're happy with mid,

Mid food,
Mid hobbies,
Mid cars
Mid life

I enjoy driving, and life,

I do 50,000km/year just driving for work, I quite enjoy a car that actually steers, handles and stops.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by prydey

I've had many ford's over the years. Laser, focus, falcon, territory, escape and Everest.

All varying designs and purposes.

Not once have I lamented the 'handling' that is apparently lacking in some of them.

I turn the wheel and the vehicle turns. Pretty simple.

Oh, I don't drive like a moron though. Perhaps that's why I don't really relate?

Christ. This is no cardigan wearing Toyota Camry forum…
Tell us you’ve never driven a decent car on a decent road without actually telling us.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Thats because you're happy with mid,

Mid food,
Mid hobbies,
Mid cars
Mid life

I enjoy driving, and life,

I do 50,000km/year just driving for work, I quite enjoy a car that actually steers, handles and stops.

No need to make it personal. We both know we live different lives. It doesn't make one right and one wrong, or one better than the other.

I also enjoy driving. I certainly don't miss the falcon and while the Everest may be slower than the falcon and a higher centre of gravity the brakes are significantly better.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Like it or not, the weight of numbers now dictate that people buy vehicles where they sit higher
to improve vision in traffic and parking lots. Had an awful experience in my EB recently when
trying to back out of a park, had a van one side and a Ranger on the other, couldn’t see a thing
and nearly got cleaned up by an impatient car park speedster….big cars used to be the road bullies…

I can see a market for rear cross traffic alert with auto-brake function as an after-market accessory...

[prydey]

Originally Posted by smoo

Christ. This is no cardigan wearing Toyota Camry forum…
Tell us you’ve never driven a decent car on a decent road without actually telling us.

I guess some don't like accepting they are in a minority group. The thread is about ford supposedly having the lights off because they don't provide all things to all people.

I'm just pointing out, the attributes that regularly get trotted out on this forum by the anti Thailand crowd are clearly not an issue for those buying the cars.

[lra]

Originally Posted by prydey

I'd be interested to see a survey on why people choose higher cars. Once you've experienced the superior entry and exit height of an SUV style car, especially if older or health issues, there's no going back.

I have a V8 VY Commodore and a Territory.
The Commodore is getting to be a bit of a challenge to get in and out of, but I can drive it for hours, sit comfortably and still walk easily when I eventually get out.
The Territory is a breeze to get in and out, but after driving it for a couple of hours, I have to stretch and hobble for 10 metres before regaining 'normality'.
I have never been able to find a sweet spot in the Territory.

We bought the Territory as a wagon, not a SUV, and parked with others in a carpark, it just seems small. Next to an Everest, it is a toy.
I have to climb into an Everest / Landcruiser, not slide in at hip height.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by lra

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We bought the Territory as a wagon, not a SUV, and parked with others in a carpark, it just seems small. Next to an Everest, it is a toy.
.

Territory is actually bigger than Everest in every dimension except for ground clearance.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I can see a market for rear cross traffic alert with auto-brake function as an after-market accessory...

Could be Doc..

It’s also a reason why back in parking is becoming a thing at shopping centres.
Lots of work places insist on it for quicker evacuation but now that’s spilling over
into shopping centres. Great for Utes and SUVs to see when they leave but back in
a lower sedan or hatchback and you’re still stuck with can’t see past the higher bonnets…..