what E-series ford I6 will beat a VN V6 auto? - Page 2

SVT8 · 25-10-2006, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ef_classic

Strange, i can beat my mates VN with my stock ef auto no problems....

Comes down to the condition of your motor. You could have a real good motor pulling close to the stock statistics while your mates vn might not. Not all cars have the same kw as what the stock factory statistics say's. All cars vary with torque and power even if its the same model, engine and weight. One stock vn will be faster than another, while another can be faster than that or slower?.......

Full Spectrum · 26-10-2006, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

yeah but have aggresive diff ratios and weigh next to nothing...

They all share the same Diff ration of 3.08. Up too the VY's i think?.

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

the VN's have slower Manuals, and the falcons have slower autos right? well back then anyway

AS a head too head, The manual is still faster then the auto, But the Auto is more consistant and will do the same times all day, The manual will be all over the place.

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Originally Posted by KJLynx

EA manuals can do high 15s. EB XR6 recorded 15.6 in Wheels(i think) and was supposed to be the quickest ozzy car of its day. Not sure on VN specs but can't be anything that good.

You would be shocked, They pull them times from the factory very easy. Going by times only the Holden V6 supercharger and SV6 have recorded faster times.

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Originally Posted by Ryan

A VN would do a high 15 low 16. To me they're still Holden's answer to the Titanic and I'm sure the Buick V6, could be dropped into the ocean in 7 seconds, because they're a boat anchor.

You don't seem too take too kindly too someone ****ing on your wheels from a great height;).

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

so your saying there as fast as a new falcon 190kw?
come on some one must have real evidence as to what they can pull?

There is a guy with real Video footage with a VN doing 6.95 too 100, Every is stock the ECU has had the timing advanced thats about it.

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Originally Posted by SVT8

http://www.southgate.com.au/history.htm

some specifications q/t times and 0-100km, pretty interesting.

It says the VP is the fastest

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

lol they say that a vn can do 15.7's!
thats F'ing quick for a 125kw car.

Apart from being light they build revs very fast. But the VN was maybe the fastest too 60kp/h because the belmouth in the Throttle body wasnt there, This did cause it too run ruff and ruff at low rpm. But gave it almost instant wheel-spin power off the mark, Which made it a ***** in the wet. espically with 185 tyres.

XR Martin · 26-10-2006, 03:29 AM

My old EA Spac 3speeder with 2.5in cat back never got beat by a VN.
A mate had a VN with extractors and exhaust and it would pull 1.5-2 lengths on me off the line, but id reel it in eventually (about 100kmh or so)

From a roll id kill it

It would do burnouts though, and mine wouldnt :(

XR8-260 · 26-10-2006, 01:43 PM

I wouldn't entirely trust the fiqures from http://www.southgate.com.au/history.htm

Sure many seems to make sense, but they also state that the SV6 does 0-100kph in 8.3sec and the 1/4 mile in 16.2 which is a load of rubbish. Sv6's are much faster than that

needaXYGT · 26-10-2006, 02:25 PM

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Sure many seems to make sense, but they also state that the SV6 does 0-100kph in 8.3sec and the 1/4 mile in 16.2 which is a load of rubbish. Sv6's are much faster than that

i agree with that 100%. surly a SV6 can be slower than a stock VP on VN

Ruger · 26-10-2006, 02:31 PM

i raced against a vp v6 at the track a few weeks ago and he ran a 16.1. these figures are a bit hows it going depends what nick the car is in etc. just go to the track theres more than you can count with 30 pairs of hands.

wheels said the vz sv6 does a 15.1

XR8-260 · 26-10-2006, 03:05 PM

I doubt a VN V6 auto could break into the 15sec bracket. The figures: 125kw and 1350kg just don't add up... (93KW/ton). I think low to mid 16's are more realistic. But then again I haven't driven one so I can't really talk.

OED666 · 26-10-2006, 03:43 PM

the only way a VN V6 Auto will get into the 15's is if under acceleration it vibrates that much it starts to lose panels.

nat_daly · 26-10-2006, 03:53 PM

lol vn 6's..ive been told numerous times on this forum, to be careful of them, especially the manual ones. So there i was lining one up, shitting myself that i was gonna get munched... the light went green, and he got the jump on me.., by 60k i was ahead of him, absolutely destroyed him. kept pulling,
to answer your question, i've had civics run against me which were quicker then that piece of **** was.
my mate has a 5l vn manual, now thats not something to mess around with, thats quick.

RavenLS1 · 26-10-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OED666

the only way a VN V6 Auto will get into the 15's is if under acceleration it vibrates that much it starts to lose panels.

lol...

MrXf · 26-10-2006, 04:32 PM

I just owned a Vn before coming back home to the fords heheh. Let me tell you though in all honesty they are quick cars and surprisingly do throw you back a bit from take off. Mine had exhaust and extractors and too 60 was QUICK indeed from there though they really slow down. MY new ED has a slow take off but as im sure many of you know from experience build up the revs around 50 - 60 + Ks then its all over for the VN

Rob · 26-10-2006, 04:58 PM

I actually have a VN V6 5sp manual as my daily hack, and I can tell ya they dont live up the reputation they have. Maybe back in 1990 they were quick, but now.... I find it adequate at best. The autos feel quick off the line because of the short 1st gear, but plant it at about 70kph and you'll hear a whole lot of noise, but wont really go much faster.

Gotta give the Falcs a bit of room to wind out, due to the longer gearing. I reckon an EB/ED 4sp auto would show a VN the door.

XR8-260 · 26-10-2006, 05:53 PM

All this talk about the VN has made me want to get one for my thrashing vehicle! VN 5.0L V8 would be nice

Rob · 26-10-2006, 06:03 PM

The VNs are tough buggers, they can handle quite a lot of abuse before buying the farm.

BlueRaven · 26-10-2006, 06:06 PM

I'm more interested in comparing the older figures here... I know someone with a HZ 202... Its not surprising but nice to see that my 302 XB will give him a run for his money :P

1TUFFUTE · 26-10-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

lol i thought that the VN autos were quicker than there manuals, and vice versa for falcons.
yeah i know its a VN, but i just want to shut my mate up.
i know he can beat an EF fairmont with it, but they dont have xr6 motors, it weighs more and are autos so that makes sense.

my mate just finished his ford van in which he put a vn motor with light head work full exhuast, 3.45 lock diff air intake and a B n M quick shifter for the recod auto. Also his van weighs in 80kgs lighter than the vn the motor came out off. My wifes auto EF Fairmont ghiaII(has the tickford motor) hosed him by 2 cars to 100 everytime.The ef is totaly stock too. :alien2:

oh yeah...it was good of the line tho...damn those gear ratios

Sathanas · 26-10-2006, 07:42 PM

My old VP V6 Manual recorded a 15.4 @ 89 (i think, cant quite remember the exact mph). Apart from a removed bellmouth, it was stock as a rock (no catback, no extractors, nothing). It was quicker then all my mates cars, including a VN V8 calais, EB Auto, and an EA manual. That was when it was about 180,000 km old. It had fresh tyres, which helped grip a lot at calder park.

So yeah a good example of an early V6 are still quite quick, but on the majority of them time has taken its toll moreso then an equivalent I6.

Full Spectrum · 26-10-2006, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruger

i raced against a vp v6 at the track a few weeks ago and he ran a 16.1. these figures are a bit hows it going depends what nick the car is in etc. just go to the track theres more than you can count with 30 pairs of hands.

wheels said the vz sv6 does a 15.1

Come down too Victoria and see them

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Originally Posted by 30487256

I doubt a VN V6 auto could break into the 15sec bracket. The figures: 125kw and 1350kg just don't add up... (93KW/ton). I think low to mid 16's are more realistic. But then again I haven't driven one so I can't really talk.

It would be lucky too be 1300kg.

Heres a VN too 100kp/h on g-tech his best time is 6.95. 1/4 of 15.2. I know this guy his very good and tuning the ECU and did so too this one. Now he owns a VP V8 sub 6 sec 100. and the VN sits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiHG6CCq2U

EB Pete · 26-10-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by INJECTED_250

Any manual pretty much from EA-EL...

agreed

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

Come down too Victoria and see them

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It would be lucky too be 1300kg.

Heres a VN too 100kp/h on g-tech his best time is 6.95. 1/4 of 15.2. I know this guy his very good and tuning the ECU and did so too this one. Now he owns a VP V8 sub 6 sec 100. and the VN sits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwiHG6CCq2U

Are you talking about a stock auto VN?

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 12:06 AM

I'm sure that a manual VN could easily break in to the 15s

dallasv8 · 27-10-2006, 02:54 AM

wasnt the eb xr6 s the fastest accelarating aussie car in aus at the time?at least, that was what the front cover of wheels magazine said.vn suck anyway lol

XR8-260 · 27-10-2006, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by dallasv8

wasnt the eb xr6 s the fastest accelarating aussie car in aus at the time?at least, that was what the front cover of wheels magazine said.vn suck anyway lol

Wasn't the EBII 200KW Falcon GT around? That would surely eat the XR6.

Full Spectrum · 27-10-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Are you talking about a stock auto VN?

His car other then a tuning of the ECU and auto yes and as he calls them good sticky tyres nothing else was touched at all stock as a rock just ECU tuned he done it himself. It's got about 240,000km on it.

OED666 · 27-10-2006, 09:55 AM

i'll race these VN's at the drags...

my main mods, cam, exhaust, manual and diff gears... bring it on!!!

BTW SlickHolden, the pic in your avatar looks pretty good... got anymore, i do like VP's

XRated · 27-10-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SlickHolden

His car other then a tuning of the ECU and auto yes and as he calls them good sticky tyres nothing else was touched at all stock as a rock just ECU tuned he done it himself. It's got about 240,000km on it.

That's pretty interesting.

I would love to see how a stock ED 4.0l will go with the new edit (changing fuel maps and shift points) and "good sticky tyres."

NZ XD · 27-10-2006, 03:58 PM

Hi, Im new to this site, have XD with 351 etc. Any way I use to be a VN SS owner, had a 5sp, headers etc, all bolt ons etc. I traded my ED XR8 SPRINt for this car, only because it was quicker. The VNs were light probably due to the plastic interior, and the fact that it rattled everything off and it leaked when it rained. I wish I had kept the SPRINT as it was nicer to drive and didn't rattle. Just my 2 cents.

AWD Chaser · 27-10-2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 16wantsI6

which E- series falcon will beat a VN?

Any one that has just had a head gasket replaced.... lol :hihi:

1TUFFUTE · 27-10-2006, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by au3 chaser

Any one that has just had a head gasket replaced.... lol :hihi:

ahh that explains why our Ticky ghia is quick :evil_laug

Full Spectrum · 27-10-2006, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OED666

i'll race these VN's at the drags...

my main mods, cam, exhaust, manual and diff gears... bring it on!!!

BTW SlickHolden, the pic in your avatar looks pretty good... got anymore, i do like VP's

That was a chop up of what i want in the future for my car, Had some ideas one night too open it up in MS paint and cut and chop bits and even changed the colour:P It's not too good the chopping skills

but a kit makes a big change too the cars look. And i stole some VE SV6 rims and pasted them on

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Originally Posted by XRated

That's pretty interesting.

I would love to see how a stock ED 4.0l will go with the new edit (changing fuel maps and shift points) and "good sticky tyres."

Shift points stay the same. I still don't know what he ment by sticky tyres

I had remoulds that were good in the dry

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That would be the best thing for a E-series early 90's car shift points and better diff gears, If it moves faster off the mark it's going too be harder too stop because it's launch is it's weakness. Guess that why the 5 speeds are so much more faster then the Auto's.