Gotta hand it to the W427... - Page 2

**El Venom** · 19-01-2010, 04:42 PM

I tend to agree with most people. more then double the price and niot that much faster. I would get the F6 and throw some money on mods and then see which is better. Now if they were to compare the W427 to cars around the same price I have a feeling it would be put to shame

Chopped · 19-01-2010, 04:57 PM

Camden Airport, Australia
Lap Times

1. Porsche 997 GT2 1:06.92
2. Nissan GT-R 1:07.06
3. Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 1:07.69
4. Mercedes CLK 63 Black Series 1:10.44
5. Porsche 997 Carrera S (2008 facelift) 1:11.69
6. Maserati GranTurismo S 1:11.82
7. Audi R8 1:11.87 (wet)
8. Lotus Elise 111R 1:12.28
9. HSV W427 1:12.56
10. BMW M3 (E92) 1:13.40
11. HSV ClubSport R8 Tourer 1:13.53
12. HSV ClubSport R8 1:13.60
13. Nissan 370Z 1:13.63
14. Mercedes CLS 63 AMG 1:13.72
15. Mercedes SL 63 AMG 1:14.08
16. Jaguar XF SV8 1:14.22
17. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X MR 1:14.28
18. BMW 135i Coupe (E82) 1:14.90
19. BMW X6 xDrive50i 1:15.31
20. Ford Falcon XT 1:20.41
21. Holden Commodore Omega 1:22.06

Cobra · 19-01-2010, 05:07 PM

The W427 is faster, but it would want to be for the asking price. And who's surprised that it's faster? I'm not, it was always going to be faster. The thing is that a few simple mods FPV could do to the F6 and it would easily perform the same as the W427, and wouldn't cost a packet either.

Grippier and wider rear tyres, 380mm Brembos and a decent set of coilovers would just about do it. I don't even think it needs extra power, although another lb or 2 of boost would certainly ensure it would have the W427s measure I think. Brakes + Tyres + Suspension = Rspec F6 and W427 rivalling performance for under 100 g's!

Redrum · 19-01-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobra

The W427 is faster, but it would want to be for the asking price. And who's surprised that it's faster? I'm not, it was always going to be faster. The thing is that a few simple mods FPV could do to the F6 and it would easily perform the same as the W427, and wouldn't cost a packet either.

Grippier and wider rear tyres, 380mm Brembos and a decent set of coilovers would just about do it. I don't even think it needs extra power, although another lb or 2 of boost would certainly ensure it would have the W427s measure I think. Brakes + Tyres + Suspension = Rspec F6 and W427 rivalling performance for under 100 g's!

That is pretty much what I think too.

mrbaxr6t · 19-01-2010, 05:19 PM

I see this comparison a little biassed based on the fact that the w427 is as said 80k more expensive than the f6 - I hazard a guess that if you gave two groups the same budget lets say enough to buy a w427 and one groub bought an f6 and dropped 40k on mods still would have change and I think would hand it to the w427 this is the same argument I have with people in my social circle dollar for dollar the bang for buck of the I6T cannot be bettered it took a car twice the price to beat it marginally - come on 2x the price! that should speak volumes as to how good the I6T really is and that is a huuuuuuuge overweight bout in favour of the w427

AC · 19-01-2010, 05:24 PM

Do they use the same driver for every lap, if not, then that throws out the times too.
Hard to have a reliable time using different drivers.

b2tf · 19-01-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfiguring R

This has been posted before. It's the FG F6 doing a lap around a track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ULmb5Rce-Q

And now the W427 has had a run around, I believe, the same track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crjx5fj8cpY

I had a hunch that the W427 would be quicker around the track. Even though I'm a Ford guy, and really don't like the looks of the W427, I gotta hand it to HSV. This car is badass.

I haven't even read the replies in this thread because I can near guarantee they will be one of three things:

1) "Unfair to compare a Turbo6 to a V8"
2) "It (W427) was still a flop so who cares etc"
3) "F6 driver must have been a newbie/not known the track"

Guarantee it will be mainly one of the above three because most people on here will claim an F6 will flog the pants off anything - until something is shown to beat one and then come all the excuses.

Call me what you like but I would park a W427 in my driveway every day - right next to an F6.

mrbaxr6t · 19-01-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I haven't even read the replies in this thread because I can near guarantee they will be one of three things:

1) "Unfair to compare a Turbo6 to a V8"
2) "It (W427) was still a flop so who cares etc"
3) "F6 driver must have been a newbie/not known the track"

Guarantee it will be mainly one of the above three because most people on here will claim an F6 will flog the pants off anything - until something is shown to beat one and then come all the excuses.

Call me what you like but I would park a W427 in my driveway every day - right next to an F6.

I didn't say that I argued that on cost an f6 with 80k in the hand to mod would destroy an w427 equating into a faster car for the same dollars.

fou_bleu · 19-01-2010, 05:49 PM

Well I put it this way - the F6 could have potentially beaten the W427 if the same driver drove both cars on the same day.

You see - the F6 did a pretty big - even massive - drift out of the last corner - which is DEFINITELY NOT the fastest way out of a corner!

Then when the stopwatch's stopped there was just under a second in it! (Which is arguably a length in the racing world - but not $80k's worth!).

I have a theory. With $150k, you could easily have a 9-10sec F6 (whilst the 427 only does 12.8's at best). That's if you want straight line speed.

What if you wanted a track car? Well, with some proper tyres (eh, FPV?) & a flash tune you could easily make the F6 a force to be reckoned with!

Unless you were a diehard Holden, HSV, or GM fan, why would you even consider it?!

PS: I realise it was designed for cashed up bogans, but come on - if your gonna go fast in an Aussie car, you may as well do it right...

mcnews · 19-01-2010, 05:55 PM

You ever tried to get the power down in an F6 out of a slowish corner that crosses camber on the exit.... They light the rears up a bit in a straight line in that speed let alone with a couple of ton of momentum pushing them in a different direction...

All the other hooplah about spending this and that to make the F6 like the space shuttle is all horsepoo really. On a track it will be tyres and suspension that will do more for the time than more power, as the F6 can't really get what it has down anyway. Give them more power and they will probably go slower. I have seen that at FPV drive days when you have all these gazillion kw F6s that I see lap slower than I do in a stocker.

mrbaxr6t · 19-01-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

You ever tried to get the power down in an F6 out of a slowish corner that crosses camber on the exit.... They light the rears up a bit in a straight line in that speed let alone with a couple of ton of momentum pushing them in a different direction...

All the other hooplah about spending this and that to make the F6 like the space shuttle is all horsepoo really. On a track it will be tyres and suspension that will do more for the time than more power, as the F6 can't really get what it has down anyway. Give them more power and they will probably go slower. I have seen that at FPV drive days when you have all these gazillion kw F6s that I see lap slower than I do in a stocker.

well if that be the case 40k worth of brakes, tyres and suspension have to make it handle better than it currently does, it is possible to go just as fast with a wad of cash in your pocket in the F6 for fuel or trackdays, or hell another F6 just in case you couldn't choose a color or something

Corzza · 19-01-2010, 06:07 PM

F6 stands up well to the W427

F6 was an auto too

Quicksand · 19-01-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SensationFG8

I think the correct conversion is 900 milliseconds... This is the cost of performance though, once you get to a certain point the price to squeeze another second out becomes astronomical.

I agree with you (and so would anyone who knows even a little about racing) but these cars are not at that point yet. Not even close. A few hundred dollars for better rubber alone would knock off a second or two.

$80,000 only got the W427 one second on a track? (yes i know the W427 is about more than speed but we're talking about track results here) Spend $80,000 on the F6 and see which one crosses the line first.

FWIW, the W427 is a great car and a whole lot more car than the F6 but lets compare oranges with oranges here.

For me, the F6 did well to punch above its weight!

mcnews · 19-01-2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

well if that be the case 40k worth of brakes, tyres and suspension have to make it handle better than it currently does, it is possible to go just as fast with a wad of cash in your pocket in the F6 for fuel or trackdays, or hell another F6 just in case you couldn't choose a color or something

Or you could instead have the best production car ever made in Australia, which is without doubt the W427.

Transfiguring R · 19-01-2010, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I haven't even read the replies in this thread because I can near guarantee they will be one of three things:

1) "Unfair to compare a Turbo6 to a V8"
2) "It (W427) was still a flop so who cares etc"
3) "F6 driver must have been a newbie/not known the track"

Guarantee it will be mainly one of the above three because most people on here will claim an F6 will flog the pants off anything - until something is shown to beat one and then come all the excuses.

Call me what you like but I would park a W427 in my driveway every day - right next to an F6.

Damn, you're good! You missed only one option:

4) "Modded F6 will beat the pants off it"

Guys, we bagged the 427 out in the other thread not so long ago. Yes, it's ugly. Yes, the price is morally wrong. Yes, it's just a commodore. And, yes, the F6 is a great car...

However, the purpose of this thread was purely to show that the W427 is indeed a very good performer for a big heavy sedan, and that clip is proof.

Over and out. ;)

fou_bleu · 19-01-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Or you could instead have the best production car ever made in Australia, which is without doubt the W427.

What makes it the best Australian car? The all-American V8? 7.0L compared to Ford's 4.0l or 5.4? Why not the F6 - with it's Australian designed, tested & built I6 & I6T?

b2tf · 19-01-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Transfiguring R

Damn, you're good! You missed only one option:

4) "Modded F6 will beat the pants off it"

Guys, we bagged the 427 out in the other thread not so long ago. Yes, it's ugly. Yes, the price is morally wrong. Yes, it's just a commodore. And, yes, the F6 is a great car...

However, the purpose of this thread was purely to show that the W427 is indeed a very good performer for a big heavy sedan, and that clip is proof.

Over and out. ;)

Correct you are - as is evident in even just the past few replies since mine, out come the "well if you modded an F6.........." replies.

The test was stock cars, not modded cars, not cars done up to a budget - it was ring up a dealer, order one and pick one up kind of cars.

Anybody can have a car modded to flog the pants off another - this is about how the cars come stock.

As for the Australian designed, built and tested - um you do know that Ford is American don't you?

b2tf · 19-01-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fordman6

PS: I realise it was designed for cashed up bogans, but come on - if your gonna go fast in an Aussie car, you may as well do it right...

Geez, your 'Aussie Pride Meter' in your sig had me thinking you were one of said bogans....

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trippytaka · 19-01-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Me, and allot of others..

Id look at track times over 1/4 times any day of the week, it gives a truer indication of how the total package works on the road where you need to brake and corner rather than just accelerate in a straight line.....

3 seconds a lap is allot quicker....

My feelings too. 1/4 mile isn't an issue with me compared to lap times.

mrbaxr6t · 19-01-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

The test was stock cars, not modded cars, not cars done up to a budget - it was ring up a dealer, order one and pick one up kind of cars.

that may be the case but if you have the budget for a w427 you wouldn't even consider an F6

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stupid comparison lock the thread already...

Transfiguring R · 19-01-2010, 06:41 PM

Re-read the third post, mrbaxr6t...

b2tf · 19-01-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

that may be the case but if you have the budget for a w427 you wouldn't even consider an F6

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stupid comparison lock the thread already...

I would, does that make me a weirdo? Just because I potentially had $150k to spend on a car and didnt spend that much, would it be such a bad thing?

uranium_death · 19-01-2010, 06:50 PM

Holden did a good job with the W427. No, it isn't a Ford which is why some responses show nothing but denial, but for a factory vehicle, it's damn good.

The F6 for the price is one of the best cars in Australia, but not everybody wants a turbo 6. Some people want a V8 and something different.

The W427 was a niche market...it didn't sell as many as expected, but at least they gave it a go.

If Ford had an equivalent vehicle, you'd be wiping your keyboards with spray and wipe constantly...

I would never buy one because I don't have the money (duh) nor am I interested in a car that is necessarily the fastest nor do I want a HSV.
However, for what it is, it's a good car.

Lukeyson · 19-01-2010, 06:59 PM

I'm sorry but that drift he continued out of the last corner would have cost a bit

**TUF_302** · 19-01-2010, 07:06 PM

Its faster, but only just, for 80g more it should be alot faster i think lol, especially with 75kws more!

T3ts50 · 19-01-2010, 07:27 PM

I would love to see the F6 around the track against an E2 GTS considering it pretty much has the same suspension and brakes as the W427 (when optioned).

tezxr8man · 19-01-2010, 08:01 PM

it seemed a bit suspicious to me that the W427 was that well behaved on the limit have seen one of these a few times without driver aids and they are pretty messy not even close to the limit like that
it looks like he wasn't pushing that hard or had traction control on???

mcnews · 19-01-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by XR8fella

I'm sorry but that drift he continued out of the last corner would have cost a bit

Probably not even that lap but kept in for ooh-ahh value in the final edit. You don't honestly believe all the external camera, internal camera etc. was all done on the same lap....

**DJM83** · 19-01-2010, 09:13 PM

I dont care that the F6 is slower listin to the 7L N/A V8. Sure id love FPV to do something similar but wont happen.
The WD40 was always going to be faster and it should be to, hats off. Id own one in heart beat even though im not sold on the looks yet. (looks much better in that colour)
And to those harping about modding an F6, remember the WD40 has FACTORY WARRANTY to

**ebxr8240** · 19-01-2010, 09:19 PM

Ahh cannot beat a motor with with a W in its capacity !! Lol...