New Ecoboost Mustang runs 12's with a tune - Page 2

Herrod Motorsport · 09-07-2015, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by bangm001

Man thats pretty cool, the economy of a 4 cly and run mid 12 sec quarters... Still a girls car!! ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJn75u9C3SQ

I just looked at the video and that car belongs to a sue wicker , SCT sponsored drag racer Johnny Lightnings wife

2011G6E · 09-07-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DanielXR8

It won't matter what you do with a tuned four cylinder Mustang. It will be like having an FPV GS. You will always have to qualify your choice.

Only to idiots.

The days are gone (and have been for quite some time) of people automatically "respecting" or positively desiring V8's, as can be seen by sales figures...in fact these days unless you're talking to other died in the wool V8-only fans you have to justify your choice to buy a V8. Especially in Queensland where the rego costs are absolutely punishing for owning one.

I'd have an Ecoboost Mustang in a heartbeat, as would most people who looked at things objectively and realistically and included things like running costs and rego and insurance rather than simply ask how many cylinders are under the bonnet and think that was the be-all and end-all of it.

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

I think the EcoBoost is intended to help sales in Europe, where displacement is taxed.

Europe...or, you know, Queensland...

There's a big difference here between a four cylinder rego of around $700 and a V8 rego of about $1200...

MAGPIE · 09-07-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Europe...or, you know, Queensland...

There's a big difference here between a four cylinder rego of around $700 and a V8 rego of about $1200...

Just done the rego on my Mustang, $134.95 (reminds self to never complain about rego cost).

2011G6E · 09-07-2015, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Just done the rego on my Mustang, $134.95 (reminds self to never complain about rego cost).

$134.95!!!!!

pottery beige · 09-07-2015, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Only to idiots.

The days are gone (and have been for quite some time) of people automatically "respecting" or positively desiring V8's, as can be seen by sales figures...in fact these days unless you're talking to other died in the wool V8-only fans you have to justify your choice to buy a V8. Especially in Queensland where the rego costs are absolutely punishing for owning one.

I'd have an Ecoboost Mustang in a heartbeat, as would most people who looked at things objectively and realistically and included things like running costs and rego and insurance rather than simply ask how many cylinders are under the bonnet and think that was the be-all and end-all of it.

Europe...or, you know, Queensland...

There's a big difference here between a four cylinder rego of around $700 and a V8 rego of about $1200...

you beat the pink skin

SumoDog68 · 10-07-2015, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Only to idiots.

The days are gone (and have been for quite some time) of people automatically "respecting" or positively desiring V8's, as can be seen by sales figures...in fact these days unless you're talking to other died in the wool V8-only fans you have to justify your choice to buy a V8. Especially in Queensland where the rego costs are absolutely punishing for owning one.

I'd have an Ecoboost Mustang in a heartbeat, as would most people who looked at things objectively and realistically and included things like running costs and rego and insurance rather than simply ask how many cylinders are under the bonnet and think that was the be-all and end-all of it.

Europe...or, you know, Queensland...

There's a big difference here between a four cylinder rego of around $700 and a V8 rego of about $1200...

If you look at things realistically and objectively you can buy Camry Hybrid , cheap to buy , cheap rego and real good on fuel and can carry more passengers than Mustang - unfortunately cars are emotional purchase :-)

tapeworm · 10-07-2015, 12:31 AM

Why are so many flogs calling it a v4 on the Utube link?

A bit pointless when we have the T6 here but would be fun to do with an fg 4cyl

1TUFFUTE · 10-07-2015, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Lol @ how Turbo's are taking over the world, thats not the response gentleman Jim and Skaifey got when they stood on the top of the podium at Bathurst having left the V8 world in the dark ages.

I worked with a young lad back in 03 and he thought it was amusing how all of a sudden with the release of the XR6T that turbo tech was the bee's knees in Oz, better late than never i guess.

That was 30years ago

And turbos are taking over the world.....just try and deny it.
Every serious manufacturer is changing to turbos.
And who has the WORLDS number 1 rated engine for the past few years???.....ford...and it's a turbo.

2011G6E · 10-07-2015, 11:16 AM

Times change...you'd have to be a fresh faced 18 year old not to be amazed that the ecoboost 4cyl in the Mustang is going to be putting out 233kw and 432nM of torque with absolute reliability and easy every day use.

Not that long ago to get that sort of power out of a four cylinder you had to make a lot of compromises like putting up with heat issues, the thing running like a pig, and sitting there wondering when it was going to detonate from too much boost.

That's 312 horsepower...a figure that outshines most of our favourite old school V8's unless they were heavily modified. Only a numptie would be unhapy with that output from a stock standard every day car.

Streets · 10-07-2015, 11:45 AM

I am in the market for a small daily driver with good fuel economy, I would love to own a 4cyl Mustang. That way I would get the sensible car and get to enjoy looking at it

Unfortunately the price tag is a bit out of my league.

**Polyal** · 10-07-2015, 11:56 AM

Its out of someones league if they compare it to a Corolla.

40RDT · 10-07-2015, 12:05 PM

Whats the 4 banger mustang cost?

SumoDog68 · 10-07-2015, 12:10 PM

For 25k US Ecoboost is a bargain . Engine performance is amazing for the size of the engine.
Still , most people talk about modifying it (like this thread) to possibly acheive near V8 performance .
Interesting points about fuel economy of a small engine in a big car in this Car &Driver review.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ic-test-review

LoudPipes · 10-07-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Its out of someones league if they compare it to a Corolla.

Most people chasing a 4 cylinder are also shopping in the Corolla price range.

Mainly only enthusiasts will see a 4 cylinder for it's performance value and be prepared to buy a Mustang type of package.

**Polyal** · 10-07-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LoudPipes

Most people chasing a 4 cylinder are also shopping in the Corolla price range.

Mainly only enthusiasts will see a 4 cylinder for it's performance value and be prepared to buy a Mustang type of package.

I agree to an extent but in the mustang your paying for dynamics and style rather than fuel economy and practicality.

People cross shop with random cars sometimes but its natural enemy would have to be the GT86 and perhaps a cheaper alternative to the 370Z.

No doubt there maybe some GTi/ST etc buyers would will move to the more stylish coupe.

LoudPipes · 10-07-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I agree to an extent but in the mustang your paying for dynamics and style rather than fuel economy and practicality.

People cross shop with random cars sometimes but its natural enemy would have to be the GT86 and perhaps a cheaper alternative to the 370Z.

No doubt there maybe some GTi/ST etc buyers would will move to the more stylish coupe.

For sure people cross shopping for the cars you’ve mentioned will take a very close look at the Mustang and it will be a winner for many of them.

In my opinion the Mustang is also the best looking of the lot.

Still at its price range it won’t interest the bulk of customers looking for 4 cylinders as most of them are motivated by price above anything else.

Driving Dynamics, what's that they'd say.

Eaturbo · 10-07-2015, 12:59 PM

Not many 4 cylinder performance rear wheels drives on the market with this much kit and style and as quick as an A45 AMG with a tune . I don't think the V8 mustang will run mid 12's standard.

MAGPIE · 10-07-2015, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Times change...you'd have to be a fresh faced 18 year old not to be amazed that the ecoboost 4cyl in the Mustang is going to be putting out 233kw and 432nM of torque with absolute reliability and easy every day use.

Not that long ago to get that sort of power out of a four cylinder you had to make a lot of compromises like putting up with heat issues, the thing running like a pig, and sitting there wondering when it was going to detonate from too much boost.

That's 312 horsepower...a figure that outshines most of our favourite old school V8's unless they were heavily modified. Only a numptie would be unhapy with that output from a stock standard every day car.

I remember people getting excited when a certain XR8 got upgraded to 220kW

FPV+fteT3 · 10-07-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

I remember people getting excited when a certain XR8 got upgraded to 220kW

Yes but that was back in 2002 todays XR8 has 335kw so what point are you trying to make?

2011G6E · 10-07-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Yes but that was back in 2002 todays XR8 has 335kw so what point are you trying to make?

It's almost embarassing when you follow something like a HSV Senator with a sticker proudly saying "185i" on the back...or read the power outputs of the last of the 351's which were down around 140kw and Holden V8's which put out even less...and think we all raved endlessly about the POWERRRR of the things back then...

I'd happily have an ecoboost Mustang for several reasons...price is surprisingly great, the looks of the thing, the economy, the power, the much lower cost of running one here in Queensland where you get bent over using Deep Heat as a lubricant if you own a V8 come rego time, and because it wouldn't be "just yet another V8".

Now if only they can fix the ludicrous delivery time they quote...Australians are used to pretty much walking in and buying what they want and driving it home if not that same day, maybe a week later....we aren't used to being told "Pay now and you can pick it up in a year and a half" for something as ordinary as a Ford...

Eaturbo · 10-07-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

Yes but that was back in 2002 todays XR8 has 335kw so what point are you trying to make?

His point could be that the Xr8 has gained 50% more power where the Mustang Ecoboost has nearly 100% more power than most average 4 cylinders from back in the day

irish2 · 10-07-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

Not many 4 cylinder performance rear wheels drives on the market with this much kit and style and as quick as an A45 AMG with a tune . I don't think the V8 mustang will run mid 12's standard.

Plenty of reviews out there state otherwise.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gt_first_test/

Eaturbo · 10-07-2015, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Plenty of reviews out there state otherwise.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...gt_first_test/

We'll see, it's 1730kg with much less power and torque than say the GT OR GTF and they just crack a 12. I reckon a high 12 or low 13 and remember our tune is different to the U.S. model

irish2 · 10-07-2015, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

We'll see, it's 1730kg with much less power and torque than say the GT OR GTF and they just crack a 12. I reckon a high 12 or low 13 and remember our tune is different to the U.S. model

No. Our tune is the same, the way we calculate power is different.

Eaturbo · 10-07-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

No. Our tune is the same, the way we calculate power is different.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the tune was different for Europe and Australia

irish2 · 10-07-2015, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaturbo

I'm sure I read somewhere that the tune was different for Europe and Australia

Sigh, you have to spoon feed some people.

"Until now, Ford’s overseas marketing materials have confirmed only that the Mustang’s V8 will be good for “more than 420hp and 390lb-ft”, a difference in numbers now confirmed to be the result only of differing measurement standards in Australia and the US."

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/604...-for-oz-market

chopstar87 · 10-07-2015, 06:56 PM

But the 300c SRT power rating is the same as in the states. Current model is 470hp in both countries.. so there is some funny business going on some where.

I would say the exhaust would be creating the difference not the tune, as it would be more restricted here then in the states.

irish2 · 10-07-2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chopstar87

But the 300c SRT power rating is the same as in the states. Current model is 470hp in both countries.. so there is some funny business going on some where.

I would say the exhaust would be creating the difference not the tune, as it would be more restricted here then in the states.

Maybe it is producing enough power to be slated as 470hp in both measures. It is not unlike manufacturers to understate power figures.

A lot of 2015 GT's are laying down ~275rwkw stock. We have been spoilt by the Miami making 330rwkw from a 335kw motor.

G RUSH · 10-07-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Now if only they can fix the ludicrous delivery time they quote...Australians are used to pretty much walking in and buying what they want and driving it home if not that same day, maybe a week later....we aren't used to being told "Pay now and you can pick it up in a year and a half" for something as ordinary as a Ford...

See this right here is incorrect. It may be "Just a Ford", but its the first Ford V8 coupe in Oz for a long time and it's the first proper global Mustang at a reasonable price. It's pretty extraordinary if you actually think about it.

The wait time is disappointing, but it is what it is, and obviously there's still plenty of buyers lining up for it, and not cancelling orders.

Extraordinary indeed.

2011G6E · 10-07-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by G RUSH

See this right here is incorrect. It may be "Just a Ford", but its the first Ford V8 coupe in Oz for a long time and it's the first proper global Mustang at a reasonable price. It's pretty extraordinary if you actually think about it.

The wait time is disappointing, but it is what it is, and obviously there's still plenty of buyers lining up for it, and not cancelling orders.

Extraordinary indeed.

I know...the Ford dealer here told me they'd taken several orders, and he advised me to put down my deposit so I could get it "next August at the earliest"...
I didn't stick around to ask the obvious questions...such as "So I pay a deposit now and keep paying...or not paying?...until I actually get my car?", and "What happens if I want to trade in a car against the purchase of one?", among other questions.

It's something new for the motoring public here and I wonder how many "casual" sales they are missing out on because of this? I mean people who as I said are used to walking and and driving out with their purchase.