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Numbers are not surprising really, ford's current strategy is based on 2 cars, ranger and mustang and in all honesty more so ranger.
At work we have 7 mustangs in the carpark, only one of them is the new model, like any "niche" vehicle, it's sales will ebb n flow, but I doubt there will be massive months for it again. I could be wrong but I doubt many who buy one aspire to move it on in a few years for a newer one, they either modify the one they have or move onto something else, Colorado sales will increase over te next 6 months as holden has a contract with vic pol to supply them as the new divvy van to replace the commodore ute, As has been mentioned, this years tax changes on duel cab utes I think will hit the duel cab market very hard and that's what's really gonna hurt the ranger motor company.
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Let's see what Feb figures bring with a full month's worth of sales data.
Ford have the new Focus on board now and hopefully will bring in some much needed oomph in the sales figures.
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Fords increasing reliance on high margin sellers should be cause for concern. Manufacturers with a more balanced mix of offerings will fare better through the business cycle.
This is partially why i think its a mistake that Ford usa is dumping most of its sedan range and more affordable cars. Without that product, buyers will have no choice but to shop elsewhere, especially when that is all they can afford and they insist on buying new. Companies like mazda and Toyota, with well selling cars, will be better placed. Its a strategic view. When buyers cant afford a mustang or ranger, what other ford product could they opt for?
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New Focus and Endura along with Focus Active, Fiesta ST and Mondeo later on. At least Ford has some new content to work with
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Ford need a $19,990 Focus to lure people into the showroom. New Focus is $27k drive away. Nothing cheaper. And I am not rubbishing Ford, just stating a fact.
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What I find interesting is that while Ford are relying on dual cab sales two manufacturers (Hyundai - 4th, Kia - 5th) are beating Ford and don't have a dual cab in their range.
Actually, three of the manufacturers in the top 10 (Hyundai, Kia and Honda) don't have a dual cab in their range. With dual cabs taking up such a high percentage of sales how do these manufactures stay in the top 10. May be Ford should be looking at what there are doing to create sales in other areas apart from 4x4 dual cabs. |
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seems Ford don't want to be competing for the lowest price hatch, they have tried that and failed.
so they have set out a difference to compare the base i30 $19,990 has a 2L 120kw engine promising 7.3L/100 same engine in the active which is price comparable with the trend the focus trend has 1.5L ecoboost with 134kw promising 6.4L/100 (has a lot more torque too. would you buy an i30 active over the Trend
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I guess the simple answer is you can have close to top or top seller in two segments (like Ford) or like Hyundai for example you have reasonably good sales in a large range spanning city, small, med sedans/hatches, 3 suv's, some ev's/hybrids, a people mover and light commercial van and a truck. As they do average or higher in each of these the total number looks very good...just imagine if Hyundai made a good ute or Prado/Landcruiser competitor? |
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Thats the usual spin a suggestion like your's would provoke. Mind you, they can only sell those high end products which they reap big rewards from if the punters are prepared to pay the premium. The problem is, will/can the punters continue to pay those overs or has the downturn in the economy as evident in decline in housing sales/values and new car sales market, brought a level of reality to the equation where the punters will start looking for the cheaper options. |
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Last time I looked Toyota has lots and lots of high margin vehicles,
so if a downturn comes, they are going to hurt too.... |
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even more exposure in a down turn market...depending on product of course.. But let's look at January sales, if there was a down turn in Ute sales wouldn't Hilux sales drop too? I think January's low sales for Ford has more to do with less bargain basement stuff to sell.. if there was a slowdown across the market, why are Toyota's January sales up 17% compared to last year? Last edited by jpd80; 06-02-2019 at 07:02 PM. |
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Perhaps a little perspective on January sales.
Ute 4X4 sales: Model...................Jan 19........Jan 18........Jan 18 Hilux 4x4..............2,993..........2,880..........1,9 64 Ranger 4x4...........2,243..........2,892..........2,221 Ute 4X2 sales: Model...................Jan 19........Jan 18........Jan 17 Hilux 4x2..............958............988............738 Ranger 4x2...........321............368............401 This is not an excuse for Ranger, just simply showing what happens. January 18 was exceptionally good for Ranger 4x4 compared to 2017 and 2019 while Hilux 4x4 had a similar jump as Ranger but managed to hold onto it in 2019. |
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Look further back to January 16 and it sold 2418 to Hilux's 2341, if anything January 2017 was the anomoly. The issue is its slump in 2019 which accounts for 80% of the light commercials downturn. The fact Hilux bucked the trend says more about where the 2 are at especially with the negative press surrounding Hilux and its DPF issues, you'd think roles would be reversed but they arent. Probably an inventory/stink bug problem..jimmy crack corn... Last edited by BENT_8; 06-02-2019 at 08:25 PM. |
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Talking about oh what a feeling Hilux.
Twice in the last week or so I have been following a late model Hilux doing some sort of burn off. The stench from the white smoke meant I had to turn the air con off put the windows down and break the speed limit to get past these pics quickly. Unbelievably bad stench. |
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Actually, January is generally a slow month for fleet sales.
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Ford no longer bothers doing this. If they can't make a reasonable profit on a car they won't bother selling it. That's why the new Fiesta will only come in as an ST. There is next to no profit in the other models. Sourcing cars out of europe doesn't help, things might be a little better if they come out of South Korea or Japan. |
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If lending/spending tighten up as is being suggested it will be high end products which fall first as people will seek affordability. Fords biggest draw cards until recently were a niche sportscar and a dual cab, people dont need a sportscar and cheaper dualcabs are a dime a dozen, hence the downturn. My2c. |
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I see it with my clients where suddenly they are asking for a price-list "on everything you supply us" which is code for "I'm comparing your prices to competitors, I'm too lazy to look up all the prices on your invoices and want it in a single spreadsheet by you". When your own suppliers are now making more frequent sales calls to see if we require any stock you know things have slowed considerably as these suppliers are dealing in products that are bought upto 6 months in advance. |
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Id hate to know how many of those Colorados and Astras are still sitting in dealerships with DEMO written on them. Holden did it last year too to try and fudge the numbers... ![]()
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and worked through inventory so now hopefully, fresh stock will be arriving soon. Several members here have indicated that I've been way to aggressive on these forums, so I'm turning over a new leaf and to all those I've offended here, particularly Bent 8 my sincerest apologies. Does anyone have figures on HSV Camaro sales? Last edited by jpd80; 07-02-2019 at 05:23 PM. |
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