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Mercedes-Benz has lost some of it's panache in recent decades as it has entered segments of the market where decades ago you won't dream of. I don't say the cheaper M-B models are mediocre. But gone are they days when driving a M-B meant best of the best with road presence that gave an air of dignity and looked like it could be as strong as a tank. Today's M-B are becoming more anonymous in a sea of bubble shaped cars and bragging you drive a S63 for example is slightly undervalued when somebody else drives an A class M-B.
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There won't be an AMG version. There is no AMG Vitaro's, or Sprinters, or Actros. This is just another standard Mercedes Commercial vehicle. Nothing special about a re-badged Navara
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I am guessing they went with a partnership arrangement as a way to test the waters, no doubt it will sell well and the next gen will be ground up MB.
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Wonder if they'll throw a bale of hay and 40 bags of horse shyte in with the pink bow when you pick it up. What a joke. A Nissedes. Each to their own as the saying goes, I'm sure there will be a special bunch of people that it will appeal to.
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My boss has 2 benzes and is very well looked after by the Adelaide dealer, there is no reason why he won't buy one of these to tow his boat/jetski/toys.
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It would have to be pretty special to best a V6 Amarok. That's hands down the best "truck" I've ever driven.
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Dual cabs are great vehicles, we had a dmax for 4 years and could not fault it-period, the thing was that good. I put the thing through hell and back and I did not have one fault the entire time I had it. Was cheap to run and cheap to service. We may get another dual cab down the track but it won't be a Merc. If Ford offer the ecoboost V6 I'll look at the Ford - on any platform! I loved the dmax ruggedness but Fme I could never go back to a 4cylinder diesel in anything. Even if Merc offers the V6 I wouldn't be buying one. As mentioned, each to their own but Merc won't get my business. Like him/hate him - JC. Forward to 1.35 : https://youtu.be/4thuVBr_4EA . Last edited by chrisandsharon; 30-07-2017 at 09:23 PM. |
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That's big money, who will pay $68,990 (so well over $70K on road) for an X 250d when it has the same engine as the Navara but is over 200kg heavier (0-100km/h in 11.8)
The V6 is going to be well over $80K on road. https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...leaked-109518/ Dealer reveals starting price for new Benz pick-up Your new ute, with a three-pointed star on the grille, will cost you a minimum of $48,000. That, in broad terms, is where pricing for the base model X-Class cab chassis starts, according to a reader who was provided the pricing information ahead of its official release. In a comment posted yesterday in response to Bruce Newton's news story concerning the order bank for the new Mercedes X-Class, reader 'Graeme' revealed that the pricing information has been with Benz dealers "for a few weeks now". After leaving a deposit for an X 350d five months ago, Graeme received a courtesy call from his dealer, advising the pricing details. The X 350d Power will cost $78,990 before options and on-road costs, the salesperson revealed. For the X 250d Power the price is $68,990, also before the on-roads and options. While fitted as standard with plenty of nice kit, the X-Class in the Power grade can still be ordered with a plethora of options, including a 19-inch alloy wheel pack for $2000 (in lieu of the standard 18-inch alloys), a leather trim pack for $2000, a hard tonneau for $3000 and metallic paint for $990. It didn't take too many options, according to Graeme, before the price of his X 350d was up around $95,000 or higher. Mercedes-Benz was approached for a response, but hadn't replied in time for publication. |
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I think they may struggle for significant volume. |
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Cheapest Mercedes Sprinter is about $47k.
Thing is most people who want an X Class will want the top of the line model. $80k is having a lend. Top spec ute pricing has gotten way out of hand in Australia over the past few years. Nothing will change if people keep paying $60k+ |
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Top of the range x-class is expected to be $84K
https://www.motoring.com.au/geneva-m...-class-111341/ and 7.9 0/100kph absolutely destroys the opposition
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Which is surprising as the merc is supposedly around 200+kg heavier. |
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I've got the new Nissan that this is based on, paid mid $40k for the 4wd. Great ute, very capable on and off road, tows well, great interior etc etc. Only negative is the rear suspension gets lowered quite easily with anything more than 600kg in the tray. But there is no way I would pay more than what I did, regardless of the badge on the front, great value for money at Nissan pricing but anything more and there is better options.
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MB are not chasing "volumes" and they have quoted this.
Just filling in their range choice for current buyers/devotees of brand and pull in some here and there wishing to over spend for a brand no matter the variant. Just think how many small/medium business owners have a MB sedan or wagon or SUV and need another business run around - the "look at me" buyer is todays money jam.
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I've driven my mates Amarok up in Darwin, its very refined and handles the corrugated roads great. accelerated ok but I wasn't out to set 0/100 times
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We may see a BMW rival too 5 years at least though
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...-x-class-67658
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https://www.wheelsmag.com.au/reviews...arok-v6-review https://motoringuru.com.au/car-news/...-sportline-v6/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8anum_ewmGc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZTJ2Y1rxVU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJdimprDiQA |
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And a decent engine option to sway anyone who was looking at the Ranger Raptor but disappointed with the little 2l engine offered by Ford.
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You're disappointed a manufacturer other than Ford has released an engine option in a 4wd ute that people actually want. Can't wait to see the comparisons between the little 2.0l in the Ranger Raptor and the V6 Merc!
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![]() ![]() ![]() Am I disappointed Mercedes offered a 190kw/550Nm engine to Fords 157kw/500Nm for the Ranger Raptor? Sorry to disappoint you, no I’m not. Even if the Ranger Raptor was offered with a motor running the same power as the Merc I’d still opt for the 2 litre. Even in the current Ranger there are customers who choose the smaller capacity engine - imagine that. You mention you ‘can’t wait’ - geezuz settle down, it’s only another 33kw/50Nm more than FORDS 2 litre and 3 less gears ![]() ![]() ![]() When the comparison goes off-road get ready to really laugh. 2 entirely different vehicles for 2 entirely different customers. Last edited by Raptor; 02-03-2018 at 02:39 PM. Reason: Getting tired of editing out the name calling in this thread - might have to start with the official warnings next. |
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Merc customers may want the TITAN if it’s power they want -
It’s coming to Oz running the Cummins 5 litre V8 TD. It will have a little more than the 33kw and 50Nm the Merc has over the Raptor you’re so excited about. It runs 231kw/310hp and has 752Nm of torque at a locomotive hauling 1600rpm. https://mr4x4.com.au/hold-horses-don...tan-australia/ Edit - engine link - The diesel brothers in the states just gave away a TITAN running the Cummins and they were very impressed with this engine. It’s near on zero emissions also. https://cumminsengines.com/nissan-titan . Last edited by chrisandsharon; 02-03-2018 at 01:29 AM. |
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Personally all power aside I like the sound and refinement of the V6 diesel over the 4 pot tractor sound.
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Now we’re fitting bigger tyres and wheels to the Merc - yeah righto that’ll do it, not even gunna waste typing an answer to that. |
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You probably think the lady in the Ford ad calling the Ranger a 'Truck' is acceptable too. Some of us have higher expectations.
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