Covid 19 -

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by tweeked

She ran Andrew's line for him, loyally following her leader. Then when it went pear shaped, he cut her loose and let her take the fall.

Yeah, he is a quality bloke.

The first bit of truth we saw was after he let her take the rap.

It is so clear, but none are so blind as they who will not see.

These people are quite happy to take the kudos when it is being handed out but go missing when the noose tightens.

Tell me one boss in Australia that wouldn't want get rid of an under-performing manager. He did what all senior managers should do, get rid of managers people not up to their job.

If you think politics or governments should be any different from business then it is you that has the problem, not Andrews.

He is making people accountable, and she couldn't deal with it - it says more about her than it does him

It would be far better if more political leaders got rid of incompetents rather than covering their backs all the time - surely you must get sick of political leaders covering up up for **** performers, or are you happy to have under-performers in key government roles?

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Interesting all the Right politicians, business leaders, industry leaders and some media demanding the reopening of Victoria. Will they put their hands up to take responsibility if Andrews opens early and we get a 3rd wave - HELL NO!!! they will run for cover. They just need to shut the **** up

Andrews did comment this morning about all these 'health experts' making comment - he said 'they are outside the tent', they have no idea what is going on inside the tent" or words to that effect - so he is also saying that they should shut the **** up

The same left leaning folk looking at blaming someone else if the virus breaks out are the same people who refuse to take responsibility for their own health, rather, believe the government is responsible for looking after their health and want to blame businesses for the spread of a virus?

You can't make this stuff up.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Romulus

The same left leaning folk looking at blaming someone else if the virus breaks out are the same people who refuse to take responsibility for their own health, rather, believe the government is responsible for looking after their health and want to blame businesses for the spread of a virus?

You can't make this stuff up.

You just did....

[russellw]

Data valid as at 23:59 GMT October 24th, 2020.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting except for the Victorian 14 day moving averages.

15 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR drops to 3.291% while active cases rise to 1,413. NSW recorded 5 cases, WA 4 with the balance in Victoria.

The Victorian State 14 day moving average is down to 5.21 with metro falling to 4.6 (9 unknown) and regional still at 0.2 with no unknown cases (including today). Victoria reported 7 new cases for the last 24 hours.

11 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.293% and active cases rise to 74.

The UK had a higher 23,012 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore the CMR but even using their method they recorded 174 deaths.

Just under 83k new cases in the USA yesterday and 903 deaths sees CMR drop to 2.621% and active cases up to 32.2% with the raw numbers rising and now over 2.8M. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
It's the weekend so case numbers should be down a bit today -

Global deaths pass 1.15M with the last 50k taking 9 days;
Global cases set a new daily high of 490,737 (23/10);
North America set a new daily case high of 94,682 (23/10);
Colombia passes 1M cases;
The USA completes 132M, India 102M, Turkey 13M, and Czechia 2M tests;

Latvia (259)
Lithuania (474)
Serbia (757) - 31% up on the high yesterday
North Macedonia (647)
Luxembourg (862) - 30% up on the previous high
Greece (945)
Malaysia (1,228) - 41% up on the previous high
Bosnia (1,265) - now 5 days in a row
Georgia (1,941) - now 5 days in a row
Slovenia (1,961)
Croatia (2,242) - 33% up on the high yesterday
Austria (3,614) - 41% up on the high yesterday
Slovakia (2,890)
Portugal (3,669)
Belgium (17,568)
Italy (19,644); and
France (45,422) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive days.

[T3rminator]

Interesting presser this morning. I don't think a 24hr wait is really that much of a problem after so many months of lock down. Apparently some business leaders are reporting that that every day of lock down results in "thousands of jobs" being lost, is there actually any evidence of this? Are businesses laying off thousands of staff every single day?

I feel he needs to at least give up something even if the results aren't flash. Possibly remove the 25km restriction, and allow small retailers, not seated in malls like Chaddy, to reopen with a covid safe plan. Otherwise....

I don't even want to think about what would happen if the northern suburbs come back with results showing clusters from 3 or 4 different sources......we might be in for an interesting week.

Interesting sledge from Jenny Mikakos - "paralysis in decision-making". This coming from someone who said the Cedars meat outbreak was "handled perfectly". . She was the weakest link...goodbye. Who wants to make a bet she will appear on Sky News for an interview very soon?

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interesting sledge from Jenny Mikakos - "paralysis in decision-making". This coming from someone who said the Cedars meat outbreak was "handled perfectly". . She was the weakest link...goodbye. Who wants to make a bet she will appear on Sky News for an interview very soon?

A saying comes to mind: "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned".

Add corrupt - hideous, and the fury is multiplied.

[Citroënbender]

This photo is begging for the slightest of photoshopping. :-)

Originally Posted by tweeked

Something doesn't stack up, these sort of numbers point to something massively different in the outcome of contracting the virus…

I think several factors, not excluding possible mutations. The prevalence of true, textbook, hysterical illness (quite capable of approaching fatality) as a factor earlier is an elephant in the room, and possibly the notional abandonment of sick; one readily gained the impression that in situations like Newmarch House, medical staff had largely “given up” on a number of people and were more focused on their death than saving them. Somehow the disease has mostly escaped critiquing of the psychology which inevitably shadows any serious illness.

In contrast to how the nation is staring down coronavirus, it’s interesting to note the Government is OK with an aged care (in-home care) shortfall of sixteen thousand allocations. I’d like to see/hear them say it’s just fine to be 16K beds short of readiness for an epidemic.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Interesting presser this morning. I don't think a 24hr wait is really that much of a problem after so many months of lock down. Apparently some business leaders are reporting that that every day of lock down results in "thousands of jobs" being lost, is there actually any evidence of this? Are businesses laying off thousands of staff every single day?

You will most likely have a better picture of this by next Easter when all Federal & State governments handout have ceased and hopefully no more lockdowns.
Then you will see the true results emerging from this mess.

[T3rminator]

The headlines keep rolling in...

‘Beyond a joke’: Melbourne erupts at news

Nine cases keeping restrictions in place (see the nice twist of facts there?)

'Inhumane': Exasperated retailers face more uncertainty

'Now we are crushed': Neil Mitchell's take on Melbourne restrictions

Well, over 1000 tests processed so far and all have come back negative. If they all come back negative, or the cases are all traceable and contained, and the gov eases restrictions in the next day or two, then what?

Will there be headlines like "Victoria successfully contains northern suburb outbreak" or "Victoria's "gold standard" tracing team allows easing of restrictions"?

The road map has always been 2nd of Nov (or 11:59 1st Nov to be exact) for next steps, funny how "journalists" conveniently forget that. Today was supposed to be an early ann if the conditions allowed it. It didn't. Hopefully we can still meet 2nd Nov target.

[Tickford.]

Fellow Melbournians/Victorians, stand tall and proud. We have been labelled many a derogatory term over the last few months by the rest of Australia - due to our COVID situation. Anytime the rest of Australia get an opportunity to put us down, they will, and they have.

But..., never fear. We are CHAMPIONS. We are the best, even when we are down and out, being disadvantaged, being away from home, it doesn't matter. We are winners. Top of the charts baby!

As was proven by, the Melbourne Vixens, who won the 2020 Netball championship a week ago. Well done girls!

We had TWO Melbourne teams in the AFL Grand final, with Melbourne's own Richmond Tigers winning the 2020 AFL Premiership yesterday!

And today, we also take home the 2020 NRL Premiership, with the Melbourne Strom beating the living daylights out of the Penrith Panthers!

Melbourne is, the best city in Aus, and Victoria is, the best state in Aus!

Sing it loud boys and girls, WEEEE are the champions, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS...

[LG17]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Fellow Melbournians/Victorians, stand tall and proud. We have been labelled many a derogatory term over the last few months by the rest of Australia - due to our COVID situation. Anytime the rest of Australia get an opportunity to put us down, they will, and they have.

But..., never fear. We are CHAMPIONS. We are the best, even when we are down and out, being disadvantaged, being away from home, it doesn't matter. We are winners. Top of the charts baby!

As was proven by, the Melbourne Vixens, who won the 2020 Netball championship a week ago. Well done girls!

We had TWO Melbourne teams in the AFL Grand final, with Melbourne's own Richmond Tigers winning the 2020 AFL Premiership yesterday!

And today, we also take home the 2020 NRL Premiership, with the Melbourne Strom beating the living daylights out of the Penrith Panthers!

Melbourne is, the best city in Aus, and Victoria is, the best state in Aus!

Sing it loud boys and girls, WEEEE are the champions, WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS...

Yeah but they had to leave Melbourne for months to be able to do it.


On a more serious note, I would hate to be in Melbourne's shoes at the moment.

[Trevor 57]

I am getting exasperated listening to the 'industry' leaders and people banging on, are they going to put their hand up to take responsibility if they force Andrews to open up early and we get a 3rd wave - of course, they just need to shut the **** up

I am so sick of the media, giving 'opinions in new conferences rather than asking questions and then reporting news. I didn't see it, but I heard that Andrews called them out for doing it yesterday - if he did - good on him

Who the **** do these ****ers think they are, just reporting the FACTS you ****ing tools

[Trevor 57]

A couple of things that this pandemic has taught us

* The States have more powers than most Australians thought they did.
* ScoMo & Co can bully, recruit others to bully, gob-off all they want but they are pretty powerless when it comes to State affairs
* The majority of the media are just headline grabbing scum-bags who will do anything to get you to watch/read their bull-****
* Media employ idiots who wouldn't know a good story if it bit them on the ****, they are too busy being personally involved and having their say

[George V]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

A couple of things that this pandemic has taught us

* The States have more powers than most Australians thought they did.
* ScoMo & Co can bully, recruit others to bully, gob-off all they want but they are pretty powerless when it comes to State affairs
* The majority of the media are just headline grabbing scum-bags who will do anything to get you to watch/read their bull-****
* Media employ idiots who wouldn't know a good story if it bit them on the ****, they are too busy being personally involved and having their say

Commonwealth Gov controls $$ or large part of it. That is real power.

Cheers, George

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by George V

Commonwealth Gov controls $$ or large part of it. That is real power.

Cheers, George

the only reason they collect taxes to make them 'wealthy' is coz the States let them - i.e. GST. Howard would not have got the GST up if all States and Territories didn't agree - fact!!!!

This is the same Government who criticised its predecessor for 'uncontrollable debt' but have actually nearly tripled the debt since they have been in power. Ask them where they got the money to prop up up the JobKeep and JobSeeker, China would a word that could be thrown in the mix

[Trevor 57]

Health Minister - gone

Police Commissioner - gone

Government Chief of Staff - gone

If you can't see where the weaknesses were in the hotel quarantine then you can't see the obvious

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Health Minister - gone

Police Commissioner - gone

Government Chief of Staff - gone

If you can't see where the weaknesses were in the hotel quarantine then you can't see the obvious

The former Chief commissioners retirement was scheduled at the end of his tenure and announced in May, before restrictions had even fully relaxed from initial restrictions.

Sutton will be the next to go under the enquiry bus and he won’t be the last.

[Trevor 57]

Victoria - 0 new cases, 0 deaths

what you say now all you nay-sayers? Where is NSW, the 'gold-star performer'?

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Victoria - 0 new cases, 0 deaths

what you say now all you nay-sayers? Where is NSW, the 'gold-star performer'?

Ummm. Not under lock-down?

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Ummm. Not under lock-down?

umm, not had a 2nd wave/outbreak but like to crow about how ****ing good they are and get ScoMo & Co to crow for them as well

How about comparing apples with apples

My post was meant to be sarcastic and I succeeded

[Trevor 57]

Well this is the place to say it, but please don't do the same old 'we hate Dan' mantra, it has been done to death already

And if you want to manage the outbreak differently, are you prepared to put your hand up and take responsibility for the outcome?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Well this is the place to say it, but please don't do the same old 'we hate Dan' mantra, it has been done to death already

And if you want to manage the outbreak differently, are you prepared to put your hand up and take responsibility for the outcome?

In a simple comment governments should be putting more resources and effort in nursing homes and hospitals to look after the elderly and sick who is predominately effected by this virus, better equipment, money and training for the workers who look after these people, better advertising education through media to the migrant population, lockdowns alone is not the answer.
Going by WHO Victoria should not be in lockdown, FFS we are no where near any pandemic conditions in Australia compared to rest of the world (thankfully).
You take away the nursing home & hotel quarantine debacle then you would have found Victoria would have been in a better position with rest of Australia.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

In a simple comment governments should be putting more resources and effort in nursing homes and hospitals to look after the elderly and sick who is predominately effected by this virus, better equipment, money and training for the workers who look after these people, better advertising education through media to the migrant population, lockdowns alone is not the answer.
Going by WHO Victoria should not be in lockdown, FFS we are no where near any pandemic conditions in Australia compared to rest of the world (thankfully).
You take away the nursing home & hotel quarantine debacle then you would have found Victoria would have been in a better position with rest of Australia.

This is where I am confused. Isn't age care a federal responsibility?

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by cs123

This is where I am confused. Isn't age care a federal responsibility?

yes, Andrews had to step in here to save peoples lives because the Feds dropped the ball, in fact I don't think they ever picked it up, but you will NEVER hear a thanks from ScoMo & Co

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by cs123

This is where I am confused. Isn't age care a federal responsibility?

Ultimately yes as I did mention the word governments but what I find outstanding in all of this is the lack of cooperation between all States and Feds, each state running their own agenda.
When you think of all the Health professionals in Australia not being able to come together in a unified approach is dreadful.
Politics is being played over Health which I think is disgusting and all politicians from states to feds from all political persuasion should hang their heads in shame.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Going by WHO Victoria should not be in lockdown

Ah yes, The WHO. Is that the same organisation that in January stated "Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV)"??

Funny isn't it. The same people that blamed the WHO earlier in the year, now saying we should be listening to the WHO!

[Itsme]

Tickford I never mentioned WHO in any of my earlier posts but if you think they are not reputable then who is?

Good on the right wing media as they may have shamed Danny boy in easing of restrictions.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

In a simple comment governments should be putting more resources and effort in nursing homes and hospitals to look after the elderly and sick who is predominately effected by this virus, better equipment, money and training for the workers who look after these people, better advertising education through media to the migrant population, lockdowns alone is not the answer.
Going by WHO Victoria should not be in lockdown, FFS we are no where near any pandemic conditions in Australia compared to rest of the world (thankfully).
You take away the nursing home & hotel quarantine debacle then you would have found Victoria would have been in a better position with rest of Australia.

We were heading into pandemic grounds, but thankfully some tough decisions were made and this was averted

I too live in Victoria, albeit regionally and I am well and truly over being locked down, don't think I am enjoying this

But I do sympathise with the decisions, but I think we are ready to move on based on the numbers. I do understand the hesitance, remember it was ONE person that put us into lock-down, it was spreading like wildfire - we missed a bullet here where I live, but the potential is still there and is what concerns Sutton et el

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

We were heading into pandemic grounds, but thankfully some tough decisions were made and this was averted

I too live in Victoria, albeit regionally and I am well and truly over being locked down, don't think I am enjoying this

But I do sympathise with the decisions, but I think we are ready to move on based on the numbers. I do understand the hesitance, remember it was ONE person that put us into lock-down, it was spreading like wildfire - we missed a bullet here where I live, but the potential is still there and is what concerns Sutton et el

Trevor try actually living in Melbourne CBD & suburbs then you will know the true effects how restrictive this lockdown is effecting everyone here.
In the last four weeks I've seen many people becoming very frustrated for many various reasons and not surprised as what you see going on in the media.
I must confess even my patience is starting to wain; be interesting with what stats were collected from treating physicians with peoples mental wellbeing in all of this, I guess not a pretty picture.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Officemanager

Trevor try actually living in Melbourne CBD & suburbs then you will know the true effects how restrictive this lockdown is effecting everyone here.
In the last four weeks I've seen many people becoming very frustrated for many various reasons and not surprised as what you see going on in the media.
I must confess even my patience is starting to wain; be interesting with what stats were collected from treating physicians with peoples mental wellbeing in all of this, I guess not a pretty picture.

we rarely go out due to my wife's illness, so whilst not forced to be home we are doing it by choice

and please don't try to tell me that suicide deaths are up coz they aren't, and yes a lot more people are seeking help with the stress of living through this, and truthfully people would seek help due to the stress of the illness regardless of being locked down or not