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St Kilda to Collingwood 7.6km according to google
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I still cannot believe they are calling 4 infected people from the same family an 'outbreak'.
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Man I thought Andrews was trigger happy. I get the conservatism but wow.
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There's been some issues at the QANTAS freight terminal at Melbourne Airport - they had two days a few weeks ago where no air freight left Melbourne over a dispute or issue.
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Fun times.......
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306 new cases for Australia and 17 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.524% and active cases rise to 9,238. NSW recorded 22, Tasmania recorded 1 case with the balance in Victoria.
1 new case (with more overnight) and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.401% and active cases remain at 22. The UK recorded 1,148 new cases and no deaths so the CMR drops to 14.875%. Just under 50k new cases in the USA yesterday and 569 deaths sees CMR down to 3.165% and active cases at 45.1% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences. Other notable points: Russia completes 31M, France 5M and Japan 1M tests; Albania (140), Lebanon (309), Venezuela (995) and Colombia (12,830) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.
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Well as expected, it is only the elderly, frail and ill who are being killed by this disease.
https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...ugust-2020.pdf
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I believe one problem with the Victorian Government trying to promote pandemic-safe behaviour, is they’ve “cried wolf” before on things like road safety. So they’re starting from a position of compromised credibility.
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Andrews being exposed as a liar. Said there was no offer of ADF to do security work at the hotels, but there is evidence to the contrary with Scott Morrison clearly offering it in press conferences and via government communications.
This whole second wave basically started with this screw up. Take the responsibility for it you spineless weasel. |
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yes, imagine if the individuals who failed to comply took responsibility. Much easier to blame someone else
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Personally I feel govco have done an admirable job of managing an almost impossible task to contain the uncontainable. It’s akin to trying to boil the ocean with a Bunsen burner. The virus is apolitical and doesn't discrimate and doesn’t respond to policy. It responds to mass action and personal accountability. It’s really not that hard.
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Kind of obvious I would have thought. Relying on trusting people, is just dumb. Everyone knows people can't be trusted. It's all good to believe people can be trusted in a fantasy world, but the reality is very different. If the ADF were brought in to do security, the second wave would not have happened. This is the reality. Andrews has now be exposed as a liar. Why do you think he is lying? Cause he knows he screwed up and is trying to get the heat off him. |
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If each piece of the puzzle isn't doing their utmost 110% whats the point of it all in the first place. Citizens no matter where a % will always not comply hence making sure of this in the first place. An absolute fail top down.
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Fact is, there are others to blame too. The Security company who took good money to employ competent guards to supervise those people who couldn't be trusted to manage their own self-isolation. And those who were supposed to be in self isolation but chose to flout the rules when they knew better. Too easy just to blame the government, IMHO.
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Is there any leader in the world that has navigated it to perfection ? Even with that error, controls thereafter have not worked mainly due to 'citizens' that won't do as they are told/requested to do. We cant put an ADF person outside every house, imagine the uproar |
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And yes there are others to blame, but it starts at the top. One wrong decision at the top has now had a flow on effect and basically resulted in this second wave. It could have been prevented if not for this screw up. |
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Let's have some new graphs today. These look at the number of days since the 'peak' of each countries daily case numbers. It's a bit different from the 90th percentile data we looked at last week.
Those in red are less than 7 days since their peak; orange are 8-19 days and green are > 20 days. First up are some Asian countries: ![]() South America: ![]() Africa: ![]() .. and two groups of random countries, mostly Europe or North America ![]() ![]()
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But at the top of what? Just because the government was involved, why does it have to be them? Why not the top of the security firm? Or the agencies they used to find the employees used on this job? Seems like it's just too easy to blame the government for anything and everything, Now, I;m not saying that things couldn't have been done differently or even better. But that is the advantage of hindsight. Remember, there's no rule book that is at easy grasp to lead those in government through this pandemic. And they would have also been under considerable stress throughout this whole process, which would make it even more difficult. I just think you shouldn't judge someone until you've spent a bit of time in their shoes. Surely they deserve the benefit of the doubt?
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yer nah sorry can't agree with the above.
Don't think anyone is pointing at the State Gov only ? I know I'm not. Like I said, its goes through each chain of command not just from the top. Every single channel where responsibiltiy is at hand is culpulable, like I said from top to ground zero < the seco company. Can't get behind this we've never experienced this before as well, excuse, makes it even more important every single directive assigned by any Governing body to contracters and all Must Do's/Dont's are repeated 3fold or heads will roll for Lives and well being is at stake and its your duty being 110% switched on, if your not we can replace you. Benefit of the doubt ? is this click bait.
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Understandably lots of angry people at the moment. But be careful what you wish for, can't have double standards. Newmarch, Ruby Princess, aged care....lots of inquiries still ongoing. At this stage it appears there are failures at many levels including the feds, do we call for the PM to resign? Isn't he ultimately in charge?
Lies? Hard to say until we are presented with all the evidence. On the topic of ADF, one side said they offered assistance, the other side said it was never offered. I suspect it is somewhere in between. It appears ADF helped in NSW and QLD with transporting quarantined passengers from airport to hotels. They were not used to guard the hotels. Were ADF personnel offered to help with guarding or just transport? How about we let the investigations complete its course. Credit where credit is due. Dan has held a daily conference without a break for how many days? Who else around the world is doing this? Cops a barrage of criticisms, sometimes I think some of the journos are there to try stitch him up, and not once has he walked out on them. You can tell certain journos get more and more agro in their questioning when they don't get the reaction out of him. This morning a journo revealed that one of the security staff has been selling alcohol to dependent guests, she asked if Dan took responsibility........WTF?!?! |
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The PM cannot be held accountable for State Prems, he can only advise and they take on board and act what suits their State surely you know that so moot point re the PM.
Hasn't it already been revealed the last number of days Dan and his coherts were offered the ADF and he with his fellow advisors opted their way. Is this fake news as well. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...ntine/12545146
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And trying to convince Sydney to restrict movement for the greater good, good luck in it's current form...
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"Senator Reynolds added that ADF officials agreed to support NSW and Queensland with hotel quarantine compliance on March 28, and that on April 12, Victorian authorities reaffirmed to ADF officials that they had the capacity to manage the program." So it was mentioned on the news that the ADF assistance was only to transport passengers from airport to hotel, not to guard the hotels. The article doesn't clear that up. Hence why I think we should wait for the investigation to complete. Last edited by T3rminator; 12-08-2020 at 06:27 PM. |
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It's a little frustrating to think of all the OHS inductions I had to do (even: how to use a ladder!) before working on sites doing much less important safety stuff for the safety of the society - and when faced with a pandemic it may have been hire by whatsapp/5 mins introduction to quarantining...
The first Melbourne Punk band that writes a song about forbidden love and the second wave should be on a winner. Don't hold back on the lyrics. Surely the spirit of TISM lives on in Melbourne?
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“Greg! The face mask!”
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Sounds to me like some people would rather be welded in to their house!
Other states managed to do just fine. No ADF deployed in S.A.as far as I know. Not sure about wa, nt, qld and tas. People seem to be fairly trustworthy in those states... Play the blame game all you like but you can't have it both ways. If you want to be treated like adults, act like adults. Carry on like children and suffer the consequences.
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A different perspective...
China has no problems using the military for domestic problems. We should all use our professional soldiers to "assist"on demand? What could possibly go wrong with that precedent? ![]() When President Donald Trump offers military support ...no takers. (cause little things can go wrong) |
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