Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[xrxystu]

Yeah I think it'd be unfair to target the airline and lay the blame on them (at this stage) until we get the full story.

Stu

[cram_it_frog]

First law suite submitted that was quick
and

Money has already been paid to the airline re crash for the loss of a air craft

As the search for any wreckage for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight continues, insurance experts have warned of "divergent" compensation claims, with the families of U.S. passengers potentially receiving millions more than their Asian counterparts.

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Monday that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - missing for more than two weeks – was lost "beyond any reasonable doubt." New satellite data indicated the plane was probably at the bottom of the southern Indian Ocean, Razak added.

All 239 of the people on the plane – 227 passengers and 12 crew – are assumed to have died.

The airline must pay the families of those on board around $176,000 under a multilateral treaty known as the Montreal Convention, and said it had already given relatives $5,000 per passenger in compensation.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/101522502

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

First law suite submitted that was quick
'

I take back what I said about a Jumbo full of Lawyers on their way from 'Murrica.

They had arrived and were just waiting to pounce

[Sam_Boss260]

Originally Posted by SB076

Yep and it has happened a few times and is what I suspect happened this time (although I am no expert)

Yeah, but why and how did it turn around though?

[cram_it_frog]

gasolane mate the lawers are lineing up at the trough hoping for a feed


the ones who do get a client will make a nice profit

[rancidpunx]

If it dropped out of the sky and into the Indian ocean, would it not have broken up as it free falled into the surface of the water? Cushions, luggage and what not would float. With no concrete evidence, as in something from the plane, the whole situation is wide open and the plane could be on the ground somewhere.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by rancidpunx

If it dropped out of the sky and into the Indian ocean, would it not have broken up as it free falled into the surface of the water? Cushions, luggage and what not would float. With no concrete evidence, as in something from the plane, the whole situation is wide open and the plane could be on the ground somewhere.

This is what I am thinking.

I know I am highly speculating and being somewhat cynical, but:

The fact that the rescue area is so far south and the opposite ends of where the original flight path was has me thinking they want our attention elsewhere while they have the plane kept somewhere else.

I just think its all too suspicious with no evidence and pure hearsay.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by blueoval

This is what I am thinking.

I know I am highly speculating and being somewhat cynical, but:

The fact that the rescue area is so far south and the opposite ends of where the original flight path was has me thinking they want our attention elsewhere while they have the plane kept somewhere else.

I just think its all too suspicious with no evidence and pure hearsay.

I'm not discounting your theory, but who is the "they"you are referring to? Or are you just meaning "someone" in general?

Craig H

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

I'm not discounting your theory, but who is the "they"you are referring to? Or are you just meaning "someone" in general?

Craig H

That my friend, is the right question to ask, and the reason I am skeptical.

There is something that just does not add up. I don't know what or who it is.

[csv8]

MALAYSIAN authorities say new satellite images from France have identified about 122 objects floating in the Indian Ocean, about 2557km from Perth.

Minister of Defence and Acting Minister of Transport Hishammuddin Hussein said the satellite images were taken on March 23.

He said objects ranged from 1m to 23m in length, and some were brightly coloured.

Malaysian authorities say they have received new satellite images of a possible debris field.

Mr Hussein said they received new satellite images from France yesterday.

“Australia, China and France have already released satellite images showing objects that may be related to MH370,” he said.

“Yesterday, on the 25th of March, the Malaysian Remote Sensing Agency (MRSA) received new satellite images from Airbus Defence and Space, which is based in France, and these images were taken on 23rd of March.”

Mr Hussein said the objects were located approximately 2557km from Perth.

“MRSA analysed the images and in one area of the ocean, measuring some 400 square kilometres, we were able to identify 122 potential objects,” he said.

“Some objects were a metre in length. Some were as much as 23m in length. Some objects appeared to be bright, possibly indicating solid material.”
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/f...-1226864848018

[Gaz]

Only light is that if it did crash down there, australia will be doing the investigation and not Malaysia

[iCat]

There's this bloody great 'debris field' seen by satellites miles & miles up in the sky but we can't see didly at ground level? My ***. Ee Aw.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by iCat

There's this bloody great 'debris field' seen by satellites miles & miles up in the sky but we can't see didly at ground level? My ***. Ee Aw.

Wonder when the last time they cleaned the lense on the satellites....

[chamb0]

Originally Posted by iCat

There's this bloody great 'debris field' seen by satellites miles & miles up in the sky but we can't see didly at ground level? My ***. Ee Aw.

The sensors mounted on satellites aren't always operating in the visible light part of the electromagnetic spectrum like our eyeballs are. Sensors detecting other wavelengths can be used to determine different surface types, like distinguishing metal from water. This remote sensing analysis can be pretty complicated stuff. It would be difficult to physically follow up on these leads due to the dynamic ever changing ocean and the limitations on the search due to it being so vast and remote. Spotting debris among whitecaps would be a huge challenge I imagine.

Just an aside on the satellite stuff. Though it is a powerful tool it isn't the all-powerful, all-encompassing, real-time-all-seeing tool some seem to believe it to be. Like anything else there are limitations and tradeoffs when you're using equipment that might have limited availability, must obey the constraining laws of physics and so can't do everything well at once, while trying to see through the distorting lens of the atmosphere. Scanning a large remote area at fine resolution at short notice is not easy. If parts of it have indeed been scanned at 1m resolution that's a pretty decent achievement.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Will this incident alone collapse MA with the flow on effect, or will they end up somehow legally finding a loophole?

you make it sound like they are the only airline to have ever had a hull loss

plus at this time can you point me to any evidence that shows Malaysian Airlines are themselves responsible for this crash?

[Robos F6]

All this debris sited from the sattelites and still not one of them has been picked up and identified.

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by xxx000

you make it sound like they are the only airline to have ever had a hull loss

plus at this time can you point me to any evidence that shows Malaysian Airlines are themselves responsible for this crash?

Not pointing to any blame, but looking at it from the shoes of the victims families and what they would do and how they would act. Sorry if this was not clear.

In the same light, there is only speculation from all angles and there still is no clear answer and little to no evidence to the cause. I would only conclude in my ignorant mind that the families would want some form of legal support behind them to get answers rather than settle on a text message.

This also would no doubt shake the airlines share prices in the mean time.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by Gaz

Only light is that if it did crash down there, australia will be doing the investigation and not Malaysia

Most likely will be the US authorities (FAA, Boeing etc) since it is a FAA Type Certified aircraft. They are hovering in the background. Its only the media that haven't noticed this.

People have to realise that aviation is never going to be 100% safe as they appear to assume. It never has been, its much safer than years ago however, only due to many things that have been learned from the past. This incident is blown out of proportions media wise mainly because nothing else has happened for quite a while, and that it is a mystery. Investigations resulting from this will further close up loopholes, but again, will never be 100% safe. It was only pure luck (due to the competence of the Aussie pilots on board) that the Qantas A380 QF32 incident didn't turn into a tragedy.

The flight data recorder and a subsequent proper investigation only, will reveal the true cause(s) of this incident.

Many comments here and in the media are not worth commenting on. People have to remember that debris sighted is well over 2000kms away from mainland in a treacherous ocean. We don't want any more deaths when attempting to recover items.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Robos F6

All this debris sited from the sattelites and still not one of them has been picked up and identified.

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

People have to remember that debris sighted is well over 2000kms away from mainland in a treacherous ocean. We don't want any more deaths when attempting to recover items.

Blam.

[SB076]

Originally Posted by Sam_Boss260

Yeah, but why and how did it turn around though?

Personally I think something went wrong, Pilots tried to turn back to land - tried to communicate, communications failed. pilots then rendered unconscious plane flew on until it ran out of fuel

[Sam_Boss260]

Originally Posted by SB076

Personally I think something went wrong, Pilots tried to turn back to land - tried to communicate, communications failed. pilots then rendered unconscious plane flew on until it ran out of fuel

maybe

[BENT_8]

Heres what I don't get, and maybe someone can shed some light for me.

From details released the plane left KL at 0:40am.
The last radar ping was detected at 8:11 and it has been suggested that the plane had fuel for another 30 minutes making it run out somewhere around 8:40am.
This would suggest it had fuel for 8 hours of flight.

The distance from KL to Beijing is 2700 miles and takes about 6hrs.
From numerous searches it would seem that planes carry enough fuel for the trip plus enough for diversions etc. and has been estimated at about 500miles worth, or approximately 70 minutes.
This would suggest a range of 3200 miles at 400m/hr.
Understand that my calculations are not fact, but guestimates based on research.

This would 'fit' with early reports that rogue nations like NK and PAK were quite within reach.

The reported search area is approximately 2500 miles south west of Perth which one would assume is near a place called Port Aux Francais.
Port aux Francais is 2650 miles and 5.5hrs flight time south west from Perth
A news report earlier this week claimed it took them 5 hrs to reach the search area in an Orion.
So that fits.

The problem im having is that the search area if my calculations are correct, is about 4100 miles from KL as the crow flies.
If the plane left KL, travelled north for an hour, turned left and flew across the Malacca straight before heading south and crashing in the reported search area then this plane flew for something like 4500-5000 miles.

Now, one would assume that a Malaysian owned plane wouldn't be fuelled up for much more than it needed as it becomes uneconomic.

My question is, how does a plane fuelled for 7 hrs of flight, travel 4500+ miles in 8hrs.

It just doesn't seem plausible.
Perhaps our resident pilots could shed some light.

I believe this plane may be found in the search area, but I doubt they will find bodies...
Eye witness accounts have claimed a large passenger plane was sighted flying south over the Maldives, Diego Garcia is due south of the Maldives.
If this sighting was MH370 it could easily have landed at Diego Garcia, unloaded and then sent on its merry way to the reported search area to be discovered 2 weeks later.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Heres what I don't get, and maybe someone can shed some light for me.

From details released the plane left KL at 0:40am.
The last radar ping was detected at 8:11 and it has been suggested that the plane had fuel for another 30 minutes making it run out somewhere around 8:40am.
This would suggest it had fuel for 8 hours of flight.

The distance from KL to Beijing is 2700 miles and takes about 5.5hrs.
From numerous searches it would seem that planes carry enough fuel for the trip plus enough for diversions etc. and has been estimated at about 500miles worth, or approximately 70 minutes.
This would suggest a range of 3200 miles at 400m/hr.
Understand that my calculations are not fact, but guestimates based on research.

This would 'fit' with early reports that rogue nations like NK and PAK were quite within reach.

The reported search area is approximately 2500 miles south west of Perth which one would assume is near a place called Port Aux Francais.
Port aux Francais is 2650 miles and 5.5hrs flight time south west from Perth
A news report earlier this week claimed it took them 5 hrs to reach the search area in an Orion.
So that fits.

The problem im having is that the search area if my calculations are correct, is about 4100 miles from KL as the crow flies.
If the plane left KL, travelled north for an hour, turned left and flew across the Malacca straight before heading south and crashing in the reported search area then this plane flew for something like 4500-5000 miles.

Now, one would assume that a Malaysian owned plane wouldn't be fuelled up for much more than it needed as it becomes uneconomic.

My question is, how does a plane fuelled for 7 hrs of flight, travel 4500+ miles in 8hrs.

It just doesn't seem plausible.
Perhaps our resident pilots could shed some light.

I believe this plane may be found in the search area, but I doubt they will find bodies...
Eye witness accounts have claimed a large passenger plane was sighted flying south over the Maldives, Diego Garcia is due south of the Maldives.
If this sighting was MH370 it could easily have landed at Diego Garcia, unloaded and then sent on its merry way to the reported search area to be discovered 2 weeks later.

It's because it isn't plausible. Dissertations like yours are being ignored by the media due to nothing that has been presented to the world makes any sense. The story has changed that many times, even the most OCD number crunchin' folk would have lost track.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, something smells extremely fishy about the whole episode. The problem is, anything anyone puts forward is educated speculation at best. Due in no small part to an almost complete silence from the FAA and Boeing.

[MAD]

One possible partial answer is that debris can travel a fair distance in 3 weeks in ocean currents.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by MAD

One possible partial answer is that debris can travel a fair distance in 3 weeks in ocean currents.

Possible, yes, but the first reports of supposed wreckage sightings in the area was from satellite imagery soon after the disappearance, not 3 weeks later.
They have been looking there for over a week now and still not 1 confirmed piece of debris.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Possible, yes, but the first reports of supposed wreckage sightings in the area was from satellite imagery soon after the disappearance, not 3 weeks later.
They have been looking there for over a week now and still not 1 confirmed piece of debris.

The only think I can comment on is the speed you use for the plane of 400km/h. These types of aircraft go around double that when cruising.

You are none the less correct in that the more we learn, the more questions are raised.

[Brendo_GSUte]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

It's because it isn't plausible. Dissertations like yours are being ignored by the media due to nothing that has been presented to the world makes any sense. The story has changed that many times, even the most OCD number crunchin' folk would have lost track.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, something smells extremely fishy about the whole episode. The problem is, anything anyone puts forward is educated speculation at best. Due in no small part to an almost complete silence from the FAA and Boeing.

Yeh so true, theres so many plot holes and things that dont fit in with the sequence of events.

I still think thier being held hostage. If i remember one of the relatives called a mobile phone and it rang, this hasnt been publicly followed up on. Also in early reports the satellites said the plane was consiously avoiding known radar areas.

As for the passed out theory oxygen masks drop from the panels above automatically. i dont know how long they last for though, maybe someone experienced can weigh in with an accurate time of a fully loaded plane?

Also why no mayday from the pilots? Wouldnt you send a mayday before trying to fault find the cause before pulling you communication circuits?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

The only think I can comment on is the speed you use for the plane of 400km/h. These types of aircraft go around double that when cruising.

You are none the less correct in that the more we learn, the more questions are raised.

If that is true, why does it take 5hrs and 35 minutes to fly KL to Beijing?

2700miles in 5.5 hrs is only 490m/hr.

They may be able to cruise at Mach .84, but that is only 600m/hr and would burn considerably more fuel decreasing the range.

Oops, just realised you wrote 400km/hr, im talking 400 miles an hour. so im right on the money, give or take.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

If that is true, why does it take 5hrs and 35 minutes to fly KL to Beijing?

2700miles in 5.5 hrs is only 490m/hr.

They may be able to cruise at Mach .84, but that is only 600m/hr and would burn considerably more fuel decreasing the range.

Oops, just realised you wrote 400km/hr, im talking 400 miles an hour. so im right on the money, give or take.

Don't forget to factor in the rotation of the earth when making completely pointless calculations.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by martinijosh

Don't forget to factor in the rotation of the earth when making completely pointless calculations.

Why are they pointless calculations?

Ive never claimed to be pin point perfect, but it doesn't take much intelligence to realise that a plane fuelled up for a maximum of 7hrs flight cant travel for 8 hrs and the best part of 5000 miles surely.

And lest face it...

2 Iranian passengers had stolen passports.
5 passengers checked their luggage in and didn't board.
The initial search was where it lost radar in the Gulf of Thailand, despite the fact that it flew for another 7 hrs and they would have known that.
Now they are searching in an area where the plane couldn't have reached considering its fuel load for the original destination.

Shall I go on...