Covid 19 -

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by zilo

Only ................................... Vic

Geeze, been a long time since you've been there then ?
Excellent art gallery, excellent cafe's, excellent bakeries, excellent street art (hosts the biggest street art competition), excellent library by the lake, great fishing, great sailing / canoeing on the lake, beaut gliding airport (hosts the worlds gliding championships) , great performing arts theater, Winton raceway just up the road, Winton wetlands cycleway from Benalla, start of the Silos art trail, Benalla reefs mountain bike park and largest public Rose garden in Victoria

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Geeze, been a long time since you've been there then ?
Excellent art gallery, excellent cafe's, excellent bakeries, excellent street art (hosts the biggest street art competition), excellent library by the lake, great fishing, great sailing / canoeing on the lake, beaut gliding airport (hosts the worlds gliding championships) , great performing arts theater, Winton raceway just up the road, Winton wetlands cycleway from Benalla, start of the Silos art trail, Benalla reefs mountain bike park and largest public Rose garden in Victoria

How's the serenity? So much serenity!

[marty351]

Now you can come visit us in Melbourne! We've missed you!

[nuthin' fancy]

I like that some posts are being reported for being off topic.

I can't herd cats and don't propose to learn how.

[russellw]

40 new cases for Australia 8 deaths so the CMR rises to 3.077% and active cases drop to 2,229. NSW recorded 10 cases, Queensland 1 and the balance were in Victoria. The Victorian State 14 day moving average is now 56.86 with metro at 44.4 (83 unknown) and regional at 2.9 with only 1 unknown. It should be noted that considerably more tests were conducted yesterday than the previous two days.

1 new case and 1 death for NZ so CMR is 1.387% and active cases fall to 79.

The UK had 3,991 new cases yesterday. We know they are now not counting their mortalities by the WHO guidelines so we are going to ignore those figures.

Just under 39k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,197 deaths sees CMR rise to 2.949% and active cases drop to 37.1% with the raw numbers dropping again. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 30M with the last 1M only taking 3 days;
The USA passes 200k deaths;
The USA completes 94M, India 59M and Italy 10M tests;
India passes 5M cases;
Europe records a new daily high for cases with 49,166;
Asia records a new daily high for cases with 132,292;

Tunisia (477), Bahrain (841 - the highest since June 6th); Nepal (1,539), Romania (1,713), Netherlands (1,542 - the highest since April 10th), Czechia (2,136 - almost double the previous high), Indonesia (3,963), Israel (6,063), Spain (11,193) and India (97,859) all recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[.:4:.]

Heard on the radio earlier today one thing saying todays reported cases in vic are the lowest they have been in 3 months. Another report saying opening the borders for border towns of nsw and border towns of victoria. Then just recently watched a news conference from the vic premier saying unless its a valid reason, subject to the police, the fines have been jacked up to 5k for any melbournite trying to travel to country vic if they do not have an approved reason. Its, yeah i understand country victoria are doing good with this business at the moment, but the reports dont all really mesh together.

[russellw]

While the pandemic might be getting better in some places, it would be fair to say that globally it isn't based on the growth rate of case numbers.



A closer look over the last 30 days at the Continents shows that both Asia and Europe have been climbing; Africa has been reasonable steady while the two Americas have been trending downward.



This is clearer to see in the (3rd order) polynomial trend graph over the same 30 day period:



The long term (since May 1st) shows a slightly different 5th order trend although only for North America as far as directionality.



To drill down on where the worsening trends are, here are some of the Asian and European trends over the last 30 days:

The first (and highest number) Asian target group shows three countries - Iraq, Pakistan and Bangladesh that are trending upwards although the latter only very slightly. Saudi Arabia has been steadily heading down and the Philippines being a bit inconsistent from a trend perspective.



The next group of nine countries has one (Israel) that has been growing rapidly; five (Indonesia, Iran, Nepal, Oman & Turkey) that have been growing steadily; two (Kazakhstan & Oman) that have been fairly steady and only Japan has been declining in case numbers.



The next group of eight countries has four (Armenia, Bahrain, Kuwait & Kyrgyzstan) that have been growing steadily; two (Azerbaijan & Singapore) that have been in steady decline and two (UAE & Uzbekistan) that have been a bit inconsistent but are currently declining in case numbers.



This is reinforced by the number of days since peak case numbers were reached:



Now for Europe where we have 4 groups separated by case number range.

The first group of three countries all have been on the increase with Spain having the fastest rate of climb and the UK the lowest with France in between.



The next group of three have two (Italy and Romania) on the rise quite steeply while Italy is finally in decline after a long period of growth.



The next group of three have two (Hungary and Austria that have just started to turn the corner downward while Portugal is in decline.



This last group contains eight countries with five (Bulgaria, Croatia, Greece, Norway and Serbia) trending upward and three (Albania, Bosnia & Denmark) trending downward.

[Tickford.]

Chinese virologist Dr Li-Meng, who fled China in April, interviewed on COVID-19 origin.



She has published her findings in a report titled Unusual Features of the SARS-CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route.

Abstract

The COVID-19 pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 has led to over 910,000 deaths worldwide and unprecedented decimation of the global economy. Despite its tremendous impact, the origin of SARS-CoV-2 has remained mysterious and controversial. The natural origin theory, although widely accepted, lacks substantial support. The alternative theory that the virus may have come from a research laboratory is, however, strictly censored on peer-reviewed scientific journals. Nonetheless, SARS-CoV-2 shows biological characteristics that are inconsistent with a naturally occurring, zoonotic virus. In this report, we describe the genomic, structural, medical, and literature evidence, which, when considered together, strongly contradicts the natural origin theory. The evidence shows that SARS-CoV2 should be a laboratory product created by using bat coronaviruses ZC45 and/or ZXC21 as a template and/or backbone. Building upon the evidence, we further postulate a synthetic route for SARS-CoV-2, demonstrating that the laboratory-creation of this coronavirus is convenient and can be accomplished in approximately six months. Our work emphasizes the need for an independent investigation into the relevant research laboratories. It also argues for a critical look into certain recently published data, which, albeit problematic, was used to support and claim a natural origin of SARS CoV-2. From a public health perspective, these actions are necessary as knowledge of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 and of how the virus entered the human population are of pivotal importance in the fundamental control of the COVID-19 pandemic as well as in preventing similar, future pandemics.

Another interview with Dr Li-Meng...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...6dec0cb665c970

[marty351]

As mentioned in the article, Lack of a media platform is a very important concern for not publicising this. Why?

Many accusations and theories, blaming you-know-who, and soon, tin foil accusers and abusers during a Pro-Democrat media campaign.

Will the msm say "Orange man good"?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by marty351

As mentioned in the article, Lack of a media platform is a very important concern for not publicising this. Why?

Many accusations and theories, blaming you-know-who, and soon, tin foil accusers and abusers during a Pro-Democrat media campaign.

Will the msm say "Orange man good"?

Only if you see everything through the prism of American politics...

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

Only if you see everything through the prism of American politics...

Trickle down politics.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by marty351

Trickle down politics.

A very salient point !


I read US News (Since that is where I currently am) and Australian News.


The bias from USA news media is reflected in Australia.


This virologist had her social media accounts blocked.

It is hard to see how blocking her would not effect all the world - especially if she is onto something, but even if she is just a contra voice she should be allowed to speak.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by EgoFG

A very salient point !


I read US News (Since that is where I currently am) and Australian News.


The bias from USA news media is reflected in Australia.


This virologist had her social media accounts blocked.

It is hard to see how blocking her would not effect all the world - especially if she is onto something, but even if she is just a contra voice she should be allowed to speak.

Only if you see everything through the prism of American politics...

[PhilT2]

The US leads the world, first to 200,000 deaths.
https://ncov2019.live/data

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The US leads the world, first to 200,000 deaths.
https://ncov2019.live/data

33,000 in NY, that is mental. Yeap Vitamin C would have fixed that right up.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Provide the evidence that it won’t.

Or you could provide the evidence that it would.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

Or you could provide the evidence that it would.

I'm not making the assertion that it won't, you are. Back up your statement.

HCQ trials in Australia look promising. Imaging how many elderly this could have saved?

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...6185b014831e14

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

I'm not making the assertion that it won't, you are. Back up your statement.

Back up a statement that I never made?

[Work Horse]

While vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is an essential nutrient, it's possible to have too much of it.

Vitamin C is a water-soluble vitamin that supports normal growth and development and helps your body absorb iron. Because your body doesn't produce or store vitamin C, it's important to include vitamin C in your diet. For most people, an orange or a cup of strawberries, chopped red pepper, or broccoli provides enough vitamin C for the day.

For adults, the recommended daily amount for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements might cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal cramps
Headache
Insomnia

Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...c/faq-20058030

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Work Horse

While vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is an essential nutrient, it's possible to have too much of it.

Vitamin C is a water-soluble vitamin that supports normal growth and development and helps your body absorb iron. Because your body doesn't produce or store vitamin C, it's important to include vitamin C in your diet. For most people, an orange or a cup of strawberries, chopped red pepper, or broccoli provides enough vitamin C for the day.

For adults, the recommended daily amount for vitamin C is 65 to 90 milligrams (mg) a day, and the upper limit is 2,000 mg a day. Although too much dietary vitamin C is unlikely to be harmful, megadoses of vitamin C supplements might cause:

Diarrhea
Nausea
Vomiting
Heartburn
Abdominal cramps
Headache
Insomnia

Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...c/faq-20058030

IV doses of up to 50,000IU's per day under medical supervision have also shown to work.
Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

Therein lies the problem, most people are unhealthy, according to Vic Health stats 40% of people have comorbidities.

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by Romulus

IV doses of up to 50,000IU's per day under medical supervision have also shown to work.

Please provide evidence for this claim?

Originally Posted by Romulus

Remember, for most people, a healthy diet provides an adequate amount of vitamin C.

Therein lies the problem, most people are unhealthy, according to Vic Health stats 40% of people have comorbidities.

Comorbidities caused by not taking IV doses of up to 50,000IU's per day?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Therein lies the problem, most people are unhealthy, according to Vic Health stats 40% of people have comorbidities.

you can be unhealthy and still have adequate vitamin C.

As mentioned above, your body doesn't store it, or produce it, so once its used what it needs, the rest is just waste.

also, having comorbidities doesn't mean someone is unhealthy from a dietary stand point either.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

The US leads the world, first to 200,000 deaths.
https://ncov2019.live/data

Only old people... No problem! Just concentrate on making America great!

[PhilT2]

Hypothetically speaking, say if I was a Chinese scientist who wanted to claim refugee status in the USA, how good of a story would I need to prove that it was unsafe for me to be sent home? Hypothetically.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Hypothetically speaking, say if I was a Chinese scientist who wanted to claim refugee status in the USA, how good of a story would I need to prove that it was unsafe for me to be sent home? Hypothetically.

I agree, I am very skeptical of her - actually seems not scared. Dunno if her science is good.

But her voice should not be cancelled just because ...

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Hypothetically speaking, say if I was a Chinese scientist who wanted to claim refugee status in the USA, how good of a story would I need to prove that it was unsafe for me to be sent home? Hypothetically.

When a story is only pushed by Murdoch outlet, you know it's a red flag. If this was credible, scientists and virologists around the world would be all over it. There would be coverage 24/7.

Oh...and she has links to another Chinese fugitive Guo Wengui. And ties to Steve Bannon and Guliani.

https://www.businessinsider.com/viro...-bannon-2020-9

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

When a story is only pushed by Murdoch outlet, you know it's a red flag. If this was credible, scientists and virologists around the world would be all over it. There would be coverage 24/7.

Oh...and she has links to another Chinese fugitive Guo Wengui. And ties to Steve Bannon and Guliani.

https://www.businessinsider.com/viro...-bannon-2020-9

I would be interested to know what kind of $$ is involved for putting your creditability on the line and lying out your backside, it would want to be good.

[PhilT2]

I've had a quick read of her paper; most of it is well above my pay grade, but a few things stick out. On page 3 she mentions how suspiciously this virus resembles a naturally occurring bat virus. That doesn't seem like strong evidence for an artificial virus to me. In the next point she claims the proteins in this virus resemble those in the Sars-1 virus in "a suspicious manner"
On P11 she talks about how changes to the virus have been done with "a more deceiving approach" rather than how a lab would normally do it. This does not appear to be strong evidence to me.
On P16 she speculates on how this could have been done. Maybe it's just me but I don't think guesswork, speculation and suspicions belong in a science paper. More like an application for refugee status. Judgement on the more technical aspects of her work I will have to leave to the experts.

[Mr_G6ET]

On the note 'where did Covid come from', Thousands of people in northwest China have caught a bacterial disease after a leak caused an outbreak at a biopharmaceutical last year, CNN reports.


https://futurism.com/neoscope/thousa...utical-factory

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

On the note 'where did Covid come from', Thousands of people in northwest China have caught a bacterial disease after a leak caused an outbreak at a biopharmaceutical last year, CNN reports.


https://futurism.com/neoscope/thousa...utical-factory

Check the line at the end of that article; the people responsible were "severely punished" The Chinese govt don't mess around, the woman responsible for the contaminated baby formula issue years ago was also "severely punished" by a bullet in the head.