Covid 19 - - Page 139

HIPO · 21-08-2020, 03:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwlkumcRf6w

PhilT2 · 21-08-2020, 04:50 PM

I think that the comparison with WW2 is valid in some respects. At that time people lost a lot of individual freedoms and I'm sure quite a few complained about it. Most however saw the threat as real and recognised the need for restrictions.
I've heard some media personalities like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt commenting on the loss of our freedom and they appear to be doing their best to convince us that this will never end and we will never get our liberty back. Their audience is fairly small and the number of people who believe their garbage is likely much smaller. Qld is 10 weeks away from an election which will be a plebiscite on how popular the restrictions are. I'm tipping the Palaszczuk govt will be returned.

MITCHAY · 21-08-2020, 06:20 PM

If nothing else this is a test of our resilience. It's tough as we are social beings and even worse for those who have lost their jobs, lost or been separated from loved ones, but people of my age and younger have not seen anything close to hard times generally speaking.

A huge amount of people volunteered for the world wars and I'd like to think if in the same situation now we'd still be up for it. But I'm not so sure given how some are handling this pandemic and life before that generally. For sure it is tough for some at the best of times but I think mostly it is not that bad.

We have numerous means of keeping connected even if it's not in person. Certainly nothing like that back then.

MITCHAY · 21-08-2020, 06:40 PM

Yes very good to see Vic numbers trending down under 300 last few days and now under 200.

Bossxr8 · 21-08-2020, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by xxx000

it sounds from what you've posted above that you're very close to being an anti vaxxer
Claiming that trials can, and inferring will, be manipulated and inferring that you'll magically know when it's safe to 'consider' but will ignore medical experts advice until then.
The Internet and resultant conspiracy theories have a lot to answer for.
Do you and your family get the annual flu jab?

You couldn't be more wrong

Never said the trials will be manipulated. If you can read you will see I said they could. Big difference.

I don't personally get the flu jab. Don't see the point. Only ever had the flu once when I was a kid so don't see the point. I figure if I have gone over 30 years without getting the flu my immune system must work pretty well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. My parents get it though.

And my kids have had their shots if that's the next brain dead angle you try to take.

21-08-2020, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I don't personally get the flu jab. Don't see the point. Only ever had the flu once when I was a kid so don't see the point. I figure if I have gone over 30 years without getting the flu my immune system must work pretty well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Or it's because most of the people you spend time around are vaccinated and are protecting you from infection. You're probably benefiting from the herd immunity provided to you by the selflessness of others.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/herd-immunity/

Franco Cozzo · 21-08-2020, 08:52 PM

David Limbrick MP has just finished speaking and now Brad Roswell MP from the LNP is talking now on the below livestream talking about the infringements on our democracy here in Victoria:

https://www.facebook.com/reignitedem...3100237248821/

https://www.facebook.com/reignitedemocracyaustralia/

There's a couple of MPs in the fight - 13:50 is David Limbrick.

Bossxr8 · 21-08-2020, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by leesa

Or it's because most of the people you spend time around are vaccinated and are protecting you from infection. You're probably benefiting from the herd immunity provided to you by the selflessness of others.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/herd-immunity/

So the flu vax has been around for over 30 years has it?

**GasoLane** · 21-08-2020, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

So the flu vax has been around for over 30 years has it?

Umm, yes.

https://www.smartclinics.com.au/history-flu-vaccine/

Bossxr8 · 21-08-2020, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Umm, yes.

https://www.smartclinics.com.au/history-flu-vaccine/

And how many years has it been common for large portions of the population to get it? Not many.

**GasoLane** · 21-08-2020, 10:46 PM

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And how many years has it been common for large portions of the population to get it? Not many.

Mate you're unreal. You ask a question, it gets answered.

But not the answer you wanted, so it's quick think of another one.

21-08-2020, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And how many years has it been common for large portions of the population to get it? Not many.

The furthest I could go back was to 2002 influenza vaccine survey where they surveyed 8000 people in the target demographic (aged 40 and over) and came to 76.9% coverage rate of people who got vaccinated.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/a8e...px?inline=true

If you don't want to get a flu shot then that's ok, noone is going to force you to get one, but perhaps realise and acknowledge that rather than your immune system being an unstoppable force, your friends/family/workmates/people in your community/etc are providing something of a circle around you and protecting you from getting sick. If you don't want to contribute back to that circle to protect others, so be it, but see it for what it is.

zilo · 21-08-2020, 11:30 PM

Relative privation Fallacy.....for simple minds.

**Charliewool** · 22-08-2020, 12:24 AM

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Relative privation Fallacy.....for simple minds.

I for one am really starting to take exception to your “know it all, holier than thou” crap Zilo!
Seriously, is than any need to end your posts with continual snide, derogatory comments such as “for simple minds”?
Who the feckin hell do you think you are??

MITCHAY · 22-08-2020, 12:36 AM

My Google skills are failing me. Does anyone know where you can sign up for the vaccine trials?

PhilT2 · 22-08-2020, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MITCHAY

My Google skills are failing me. Does anyone know where you can sign up for the vaccine trials?

https://www.nucleusnetwork.com/participate-in-a-trial/

Let us know how you go. I got knocked back but they say I may be eligible for later trials.

MercuryT · 22-08-2020, 03:08 AM

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

**buggerlugs** · 22-08-2020, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

Are you for real ??

I don't know why he bothers coming in here and putting all the information up .

T3rminator · 22-08-2020, 08:43 AM

Looks like some people aren't waiting. Ready to produce 40m doses starting Nov.

Indonesia inks deal with China on virus vaccine supply
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/19...Uz51a1_lrCgS_I

With all these different types of vaccines going around, I wonder if countries will recognise vaccines that may not be officially sanctioned for use locally. If I have to prove that I am vaccinated before travelling to the UK, would they allow me entry if I have had a non UK jab.

**russellw** · 22-08-2020, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

What do you mean its not known? Russell is posting CMR statistics in here every day.

Whats the infection rate of under 30s in Australia?

I know you are only asking as part of another fishing exercise because I've already posted those stats regularly but on the 0.0001% chance that you aren't trolling, 35.4% of all cases in Australia have been your physical (if not mental) age group and there have been no deaths in the under 30 group.

**russellw** · 22-08-2020, 11:08 AM

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35.4% of all cases in Australia have been your physical (if not mental) age group and there have been no deaths in the under 30 group.

Sorry to quote myself but there has been a death in the under 30's age group this week as well as one in the over 100 age group.

With 8,629 cases in the under 30's (35.6% of all cases) the 1 death is a CMR of 0.018% and 0.2% of all deaths.

**buggerlugs** · 22-08-2020, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Sorry to quote myself but there has been a death in the under 30's age group this week as well as one in the over 100 age group.

With 8,629 cases in the under 30's (35.6% of all cases) the 1 death is a CMR of 0.018% and 0.2% of all deaths.

The over 100 age group eh. Couldn't of been Gaso as he is still posting on here

**russellw** · 22-08-2020, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

Is that so? To disagree with me is fine as long as you can present a reasoned argument but after your recent diatribe about how bad the other States were, I'd suggest you just do the smart thing and be quiet while you are ahead.

MercuryT · 22-08-2020, 04:34 PM

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Is that so? To disagree with me is fine as long as you can present a reasoned argument but after your recent diatribe about how bad the other States were, I'd suggest you just do the smart thing and be quiet while you are ahead.

Well your opinion that people are soft because some aren't coping mentally with Covid lockdown is ridiculous and I suspect very reasoned by people not willing to compare with World War 2.

**Fordman1** · 22-08-2020, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

Who needs a spell?

**Cav** · 22-08-2020, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

22-08-2020, 10:08 AM

brisbane is back in gathering restrictions effective immediately, no more than 10 people inside or outside.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...atest/12584472

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Gatherings in Greater Brisbane limited effective immediately

From Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk:

"The first message we will be giving people is that effective immediately, gatherings in your home will be reduced to 10 people."

"Gatherings outside, for example, in parks will be limited to 10 people."

"That includes people living in the areas of Brisbane, Ipswich, Logan, Seenic Rim, Lockyer Valley and Moreton Bay and Redlands."

Outside of Greater Brisbane gatherings inside homes and outdoors are limited to 30 people.

**Cav** · 22-08-2020, 10:41 AM

I binaway so I see I have missed a lot of the fun.

I dunno how we have mixed vaccinations with covid in this thread when we haven't even got one yet, but did you know that covid affects the heart?

It seems the media is focussing too much on the initial damage to the lungs and failing to advise people of long term damage to the heart.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...id-19-patients

But wait, there's more.

In Australia your chance of having a heart attack after the normal 'flu increases six fold. So anything that saves you from getting the normal 'flu or the Chinese plague should be beneficial in the long term.

https://www.yourlifechoices.com.au/h...t-on-the-heart

We are getting so much information about covid on every media channel that I fear people will switch off and become blase due to information overload.

I am 70 and I have been getting the 'flu injection for a few years now.

People should be free to make up their own minds about vaccinations, hopefully if they refuse to get vaccinated they are making an informed decision.

MercuryT · 22-08-2020, 04:09 PM

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Yep.

**FairmontGS** · 22-08-2020, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MercuryT

Russell the chief admin, head chef or whatever needs a spell.

Comments ridiculous in this entire thread.

Top tip - Get off the internet when you are on the cans