Covid 19 -

Potentially controversial question... but... which generation do you think is/was happier? Your parents or grandparents and their quaint simple life that probably didn't include many material possessions but probably also provided them great satisfaction?
.... or now? everyone speaking to each other on facebook, people fighting to obtain their little plot of space, kids with anxiety disorders, depression, no social skills, no jobs out there for them and living with mum and dad until well into their adult lives?

[Citroënbender]

I don’t know if it’s safe to generalise. My family has a 25% streak (per my generation) of lifelong depression and a tendency to addiction. So you couldn’t say those earlier bods were happier, and I don’t think for a minute they were unique.

I think all that’s happened is the people who see benefit in sucking others in, have far better tools to practice their craft with.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by leesa

Potentially controversial question... but... which generation do you think is/was happier? Your parents or grandparents and their quaint simple life that probably didn't include many material possessions but probably also provided them great satisfaction?
.... or now? everyone speaking to each other on facebook, people fighting to obtain their little plot of space, kids with anxiety disorders, depression, no social skills, no jobs out there for them and living with mum and dad until well into their adult lives?

This is way off topic...

However you are making a lot of assumptions there and some rather large generalisations.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by prydey

This is way off topic...

However you are making a lot of assumptions there and some rather large generalisations.

I think leesa is looking foward to driving the new Trabant.

Originally Posted by marty351

I think leesa is looking foward to driving the new Trabant.

Stuff the trabant, I reckon I'd pretty happily adapt to working horses in the field.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by leesa

Stuff the trabant, I reckon I'd pretty happily adapt to working horses in the field.

And they can pull the half-Trabant sulky to market every week.

[pottery beige]

keeping it real in radelaide

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSAdelai...817/?clk_loc=5

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

keeping it real in radelaide

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSAdelai...817/?clk_loc=5

Someone with a sense of humour

Got my 'work permit' tonight - just need to get my Star of David from Victoria Police

[arronm]

More covid for SA

[russellw]

714 new cases for Australia and 15 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.270% and active cases rise to 8,398. NSW recorded 12; WA & Queensland recorded 1 each with the balance in Victoria. Thanks to the timing differences, it wasn't the highest daily new cases number although it was the largest single day death toll and Victoria also passed the previous daily high for new cases.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.402% and active cases rise to 24.

The UK recorded 891 new cases and 65 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.093%.

Just over 54k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,362 deaths sees CMR down to 3.259% and active cases at 46.3% with the raw numbers rising again. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
The USA completes 62M, India 21M, the UK 17M and Italy 7M tests;
Both North & South America pass the 1,000 cases per 100k level;

Albania (139), Libya (251), El Salvador (439), Ukraine (1,271), Morocco (1,283) and Argentina (7,147) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[buggerlugs]

Have to be Trump supporters.........

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...5b05c8475948f2

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Have to be Trump supporters.........

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...5b05c8475948f2

They’ve done it with bleach also 👍

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Fordman1

They’ve done it with bleach also 👍

True. Massive increase to poisons info centres in New York area.

[Franco Cozzo]

Everyone puts **** on Americans but when you have a population of 330M you're going to proportionally have more dumbasses.

Think of India and China - they'd have a couple of Australia's worth of dumbasses just on sheer numbers.

Think of how many Indian doctors we have as well, both ends of the spectrum in big numbers.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Everyone puts **** on Americans but when you have a population of 330M you're going to proportionally have more dumbasses.

Think of India and China - they'd have a couple of Australia's worth of dumbasses just on sheer numbers.

Think of how many Indian doctors we have as well, both ends of the spectrum in big numbers.

That is true. But even accounting for their massive population, their cases and death rates are nuts in the US.

They are the richest country on earth, surely have the best health resources, and never fail at telling everyone else how much better they are at anything you can think of

They should and are held to a high standard.

The UK has a far worse CMR and they even have the NHS which the US certainly doesn't. They skate under the radar quite a bit.

[Franco Cozzo]

Here's an interesting news article

Anti-mask protesters' new weapon: wearing masks that offer no COVID-19 protection

Face masks made of mesh, crochet (yarn) or lace are now popular items being offered by online retailers.



INDIANAPOLIS — As more communities and businesses adopt mandatory mask orders, supporters of an “anti-mask” movement are looking to make a statement. They are wearing masks that cover their nose and mouth but provide no ability to slow the spread of disease.

"I wore a mask that is designed for protecting your face in a paintball battle. You can easily breathe through it. I walked all around the store, talked to employees, and other shoppers, and every one of them could see my mouth," said a Florida man who posted a video showing him wearing a mesh mask to a Tampa Walmart. "It was almost like not wearing a mask at all. Nobody cared. That's because it's not about safety. It's all about compliance."

https://www.wthr.com/article/news/in...e-860fe84e0f52

Also notice the difference in attitude and language between the BLM protesters and the anti maskers protest:

Victorian police call protest planned for Melbourne CBD “selfish”

Victoria Police have vowed to crack down on a protest planned for Melbourne’s CBD this weekend despite the city entering stage 4 lockdown.

In a statement, police said they were aware that “some people” may be planning to attend the CBD on Sunday to participate in a protest.

“This is a completely blatant breach of the Chief Health Officer’s directions and puts Victorian lives at risk,” the statement said.

“This selfish behaviour will absolutely not be tolerated. Be assured Victoria Police will be responding and will take appropriate action.

“There will be a highly visible presence in and around the city to ensure the community is complying with Stage Four restrictions.

“We will have no hesitation in issuing $1,652 fines or making arrests on the day, if necessary.

“Police are also making inquiries into the organisers of this event and we will be holding them to account.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...88725aaa264fd4

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Also notice the difference in attitude and language between the BLM protesters and the anti maskers protest[/url]

Did you also notice the difference in lockdown stages? The BLM protest was during stage 2 restrictions, with almost everyone was wearing a mask. These stupid dimwits are planning a protest during stage 4 restrictions, when the infections rates are at the highest it has been. Hence the "difference in attitude and language."

Sincerely hope each one of these dimwits get infected with COVID. If only we could organise a few positive cases to infiltrate and join these dimwits on Sunday under disguise...
...hmm.. now there's an idea.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Sincerely hope each one of these Absolute Wackos gets infected with COVID. If only we could organise a few positive cases to infiltrate and join these Wack-jobs on Sunday under disguise...
...hmm.. now there's an idea.

I fixed it for you 👍

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Did you also notice the difference in lockdown stages? The BLM protest was during stage 2 restrictions, with almost everyone was wearing a mask. These stupid dimwits are planning a protest during stage 4 restrictions, when the infections rates are at the highest it has been. Hence the "difference in attitude and language."

Sincerely hope each one of these dimwits get infected with COVID. If only we could organise a few positive cases to infiltrate and join these dimwits on Sunday under disguise...
...hmm.. now there's an idea.

Regardless of the 'stage' of restrictions it was still a bad idea - whats the difference now? You need a star of david 'work permit' and a 'face covering'?

Pro tip - I'm only wearing my 'face covering' for compliance, it protects me from Victoria Police.

Why do you think people started ignoring government direction in huge numbers?

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Regardless of the 'stage' of restrictions it was still a bad idea - whats the difference now? You need a star of david 'work permit' and a 'face covering'?

Pro tip - I'm only wearing my 'face covering' for compliance, it protects me from Victoria Police.

Why do you think people started ignoring government direction in huge numbers?

Protects you from police? Or hides your face legally during a robbery?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by .:4:.

Protects you from police? Or hides your face legally during a robbery?

This is what it is



I don't wear sunnies but I have the flexfit baseball cap and the Australian flag covering most of my face.

[Crazy Dazz]

WA is fortunate.

1) Perth is the literal definition of "not on the road to anywhere" Our international flights were few, limited to few cities, and mostly cater only for locals.

2) There are only two sealed roads into WA, and they are very long.

3) For the last 150 years, the only consistent government policy, from both sides, is that they blame everything on Canberra and "Over East."
So quickly closing the borders, and blaming covid on "everyone else" was an easy and popular decision.

4) McGowan is savvy enough to realise that if Covid does get in here, we will be royally screwed, and his popularity will drop faster than a Frenchman's trousers.

[zilo]

Tasmania is the place to be...
except it's freezing,
even Covid can't survive...

true...read it on facebook.

[Mr_G6ET]

I feel for the police dealing with the people that dont have the health of others in mind when flouting restrictions.
I have a thought for the people that do the right thing but will be restricted because the small percentage of 'citizens' that think they know more than medical advisers.

[marty351]

In India, they bathe in liquid cow faeces and drink cow urine.

[russellw]

A much lower (albeit not low enough) 446 new cases for Australia and 8 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.282% and active cases rise to 8,694, 85% of which are in Victoria. NSW recorded 12; SA recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.402% and active cases drop to 23.

The UK recorded 950 new cases and 49 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.063%.

Just over 55k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,311 deaths sees CMR down to 3.249% and active cases at 45.7% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 19M although the last 1M has taken 5 days so that's a step in the right direction as the previous 1M only took 3 days;
The USA passes 5M cases today;
India passes 2M cases;
Africa passes 1M cases;
The USA completes 63M, India 22M, France 3M and Pakistan 2M tests;
Asia records a new high for daily cases with 87,022;

Senegal (177), Lebanon (255), Poland (726), Ukraine (1,318), Colombia (11,996) and India (62,170) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

A much lower (albeit not low enough) 446 new cases for Australia and 8 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.282% and active cases rise to 8,694, 85% of which are in Victoria. NSW recorded 12; SA recorded 1 with the balance in Victoria.

No new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.402% and active cases drop to 23.

The UK recorded 950 new cases and 49 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.063%.

Just over 55k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,311 deaths sees CMR down to 3.249% and active cases at 45.7% with the raw numbers rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 19M although the last 1M has taken 5 days so that's a step in the right direction as the previous 1M only took 3 days;
The USA passes 5M cases today;
India passes 2M cases;
Africa passes 1M cases;
The USA completes 63M, India 22M, France 3M and Pakistan 2M tests;
Asia records a new high for daily cases with 87,022;

Senegal (177), Lebanon (255), Poland (726), Ukraine (1,318), Colombia (11,996) and India (62,170) recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Hey Russ, do you have any stats re the % population tested versus the number of total cases? It would be interesting to correlate that data as opposed to just the raw number of cases. Obviously, the more you test, the likely you are to detect more active cases. The less you test, the less active cases you have (DT theory).

PS Thanks for continuing to share this info, it is very interesting to see the trends.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Hey Russ, do you have any stats re the % population tested versus the number of total cases? It would be interesting to correlate that data as opposed to just the raw number of cases. Obviously, the more you test, the likely you are to detect more active cases. The less you test, the less active cases you have (DT theory).

PS Thanks for continuing to share this info, it is very interesting to see the trends.

We've looked at the number of tests per detected case with Australia one of the highest at 233 tests per case and places like Mexico and Colombia less than 5 tests per case. The USA is at 13 and the UK at 57 but the data only really tells who is perhaps targeting their testing better.

Here is the chart for the 'focus' group of countries that I'm watching in detail and I'll see if I can get one for all of the countries. Please note that these numbers are based on ADULT population only.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by russellw

We've looked at the number of tests per detected case with Australia one of the highest at 233 tests per case and places like Mexico and Colombia less than 5 tests per case. The USA is at 13 and the UK at 57 but the data only really tells who is perhaps targeting their testing better.

Here is the chart for the 'focus' group of countries that I'm watching in detail and I'll see if I can get one for all of the countries. Please note that these numbers are based on ADULT population only.

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As always, there's a danger with using data without understanding the basis of that data. As you say, some countries may only be doing testing of those who show symptoms (mostly Aus) versus countries who are conducting widespread testing.

Given that Aus is (as I understand it) mostly doing testing for those who have flu like symptoms, I'm really surprised at the high number of test per positive case.

Again, thanks for doing the hard work in the background to make this data available.

[Polyal]

Are there any articles on the strategy for testing outside hot spots?

It seems so much focus is placed on hot spots (rightly so), but outside of that there seems to be an ignorant bliss that its not spreading?

If it can be tested for, and some people seem to show very minor if any symptoms then how do we know its not wider spread? Until of course its to late.