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[Yellow_Festiva]

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Conspiracy theorist Eve Black dramatically arrested in Melbourne
A woman who filmed herself laughing after she breached a coronavirus police checkpoint has been dramatically arrested in Melbourne.

Conspiracy theorist and virus denier Eve Black has been dramatically arrested in Melbourne, a week after she laughed her way through a police checkpoint.

Ms Black, 28, attracted outrage and was labelled selfish after she uploaded a video of her arguing with a police officer at a coronavirus checkpoint last week.

Ms Black, who last week uploaded a video of her confrontation with police at a lockdown checkpoint, was detained just before 2pm today in an arrest that forced police to smash her car window.

In a statement, Victoria Police said Ms Black, from Warrandyte, had been arrested on Princes St in the inner city Melbourne suburb of Carlton.

“She was asked to provide her name and address which she refused to do. Police then directed her to produce her driver’s licence and explain her reason for travel, which she also refused to comply with,” police said.

“This led to police arresting her. During the arrest, police were forced to break the woman’s car window as she refused to speak to them, wind down her window, or step out of the vehicle.”

The 28-year-old has been released pending summons for traffic-related offences, failing to produce a license, failing to produce name and address, and breaches of the Chief Health Officer’s directives.

Victoria Police had been looking for Ms Black since she laughed at officers while passing through a checkpoint in Bunyip on July 23.

Last week, Ms Black said she had no regrets about her public stunt, posting a message on her Facebook page saying “I regret nothing. I’m just tired of the abuse and threats. Wake up, sleeper” with the emoji of a sheep.

She also posted a quote purportedly from Melbourne Supreme Court Justice Stephen Kaye saying “it is an ancient principle of the common law that a person under arrest has no obligation to stop for police or answer their questions.

Ms Black engaged in a short debate with one of her followers who asked “what about if they committed an offence”.

She replied: “An offence is usually considered such through legislation. Technically, you must consent to legislation. However even still, they can not arrest you for an offence such as speeding etc.”

“What she did was incredibly selfish and by posting it on social media she was encouraging others to do the same,” Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville said.

The officer seen in the footage was wearing a body camera and police know who Ms Black is, Ms Neville added.

“I’m sure she’s looking forward to a knock on the door from police officers.”

Ms Black’s video is one of a number circulating showing Melburnians subject to a stage 3 lockdown flouting the rules, with the encouragement and support of a conspiracy group.

“Let‘s take them down,” she says in the video as she drives up the checkpoint, and prays to God to give her strength.

Instead of sharing information at the checkpoint, Ms Black asks the officer whether she’d “disturbed the peace” by trying to leave her town.

“No,” the officer responds.

“I just asked what your reason for leaving today is.”

Ms Black responds: “I don‘t need to tell you that. I don’t know you.”

The officer asked again where she had come from.

“I don‘t need to answer your questions. Have I committed a crime? Have I committed a crime?” she asked twice.

The officer then waves Ms Black through the checkpoint and she can be seen laughing loudly as she drives away.

“I feel so good,” she says to the camera. She then bragged about it on Facebook.

“BOOM! No fine, drove straight out of Melbourne, they took no info from me,” she wrote.

“No License, No questions of theirs were answered. They work for us, not the other way around. YOU get to ask the questions. NOT them.”

Ms Black said she was “nervous as heck” as she approached the checkpoint, but encouraged her friends and family to “know their rights” during lockdown. She’s not the only one fighting back against public health measures.

https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...fd111f96770c20

That's a video I would have loved to see.

[Franco Cozzo]

Imagine if they put that much effort into preventing 500 cases of COVID-19 in aged care facilities?

[Sprintey]

Because I got sidetracked and ended up at the daily mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ave-homes.html

Edit: In it, Rebecca Judd highlights and condemns the CHO for saying it is possible to go out to exercise when corona positive.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

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https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...fd111f96770c20

That's a video I would have loved to see.

Thats the funny part. If they aren't doing anything wrong then why go out there armed with the camera ready?

The cops just need to start arresting these people who are clearly taking the ****.

Ask them for id and reason for travel. They either show it or don't get and put in a divvy van. Don't stand around and listen to their BS.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Thats the funny part. If they aren't doing anything wrong then why go out there armed with the camera ready?

The cops just need to start arresting these people who are clearly taking the ****.

Ask them for id and reason for travel. They either show it or don't get and put in a divvy van. Don't stand around and listen to their BS.

I'd be more inclined to say to just write them up. Carting them off in a dog box would give them more Bookface material.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Thats the funny part. If they aren't doing anything wrong then why go out there armed with the camera ready?

The cops just need to start arresting these people who are clearly taking the ****.

Ask them for id and reason for travel. They either show it or don't get and put in a divvy van. Don't stand around and listen to their BS.

They are trying to follow what they do in the states.

Take a look on Youtube - heaps of 'training' videos showing you how to deal with police when they ask you questions.

They follow the same song sheet:

Have I done a crime? Am I under arrest? Are you detaining me? I don't have to answer you due to XYZ constitution / Legislation. I'm a sovereign citizen, I'm not driving, I'm travelling. I don't need to wind my window down more than an inch. I refuse to answer questions.

The best clips are the ones where the police have had enough and yank them out of the car kicking and screaming.

[Citroënbender]

This is how plebs have to fly now. Konfetka left tonight for family in Europe not long after this selfie. Basically a mask and shield for the next 30-odd hours.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

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https://www.news.com.au/national/vic...fd111f96770c20

That's a video I would have loved to see.

Great to hear of that news 👍

[cheap]

Victorian Ms Eve Black is a rookie!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by cheap

Victorian Ms Eve Black is a rookie!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433b5RJ9BME

LOL.

[T3rminator]

The New England Journal of Medicine study on hydroxxxxx for mild to moderate cases.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

"A total of 18 patients died in the hospital during the trial (5 patients assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 7 in the hydroxychloroquine-alone group, and 6 in the control group). There were no significant between-group differences with regard to the secondary outcomes of thromboembolic complications or acute kidney injury within 15 days, either in the prespecified analyses (Table 2) or in post hoc analyses that accounted for the competing risk of death (Table S11)."

[zilo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The New England Journal of Medicine study on hydroxxxxx for mild to moderate cases.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

"A total of 18 patients died in the hospital during the trial (5 patients assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 7 in the hydroxychloroquine-alone group, and 6 in the control group). There were no significant between-group differences with regard to the secondary outcomes of thromboembolic complications or acute kidney injury within 15 days, either in the prespecified analyses (Table 2) or in post hoc analyses that accounted for the competing risk of death (Table S11)."

I like this bit.....

Our trial has several limitations. First, although the point estimate of effect suggests no major difference between the groups with respect to the primary outcome, the trial cannot definitively rule out either a substantial benefit of the trial drugs or a substantial harm. For the comparison between hydroxychloroquine and control, for example, our data are compatible with odds ratios as low as 0.69 and as high as 2.11. Second, the trial was not blinded. Third, despite intense efforts to maintain adherence to the assigned treatments, a lack of medications that were perceived as beneficial by clinicians and patients led to some protocol deviations. Fourth, the use of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was widespread among patients hospitalized with Covid-19 in participating hospitals. The enrollment of patients with no previous use of these medications was challenging, so we decided to enroll patients provided that their previous use since the onset of symptoms was limited to 24 hours. Finally, although the median time from symptom onset to randomization was 7 days, we included patients up to 14 days after the beginning of symptoms; it is conceivable that interventions that may limit viral replication (e.g., hydroxychloroquine) may be more effective earlier in the course of the disease.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by zilo

I like this bit.....

Our trial has several limitations. First, although the point estimate of effect suggests no major difference between the groups with respect to the primary outcome, the trial cannot definitively rule out either a substantial benefit of the trial drugs or a substantial harm. For the comparison between hydroxychloroquine and control, for example, our data are compatible with odds ratios as low as 0.69 and as high as 2.11. Second, the trial was not blinded. Third, despite intense efforts to maintain adherence to the assigned treatments, a lack of medications that were perceived as beneficial by clinicians and patients led to some protocol deviations. Fourth, the use of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was widespread among patients hospitalized with Covid-19 in participating hospitals. The enrollment of patients with no previous use of these medications was challenging, so we decided to enroll patients provided that their previous use since the onset of symptoms was limited to 24 hours. Finally, although the median time from symptom onset to randomization was 7 days, we included patients up to 14 days after the beginning of symptoms; it is conceivable that interventions that may limit viral replication (e.g., hydroxychloroquine) may be more effective earlier in the course of the disease.

So yes, more tests needed. Which is why the UK is restarting their trial. But this disproves the 100% success rate.
And if you read the label, there are side effects.
At the end of the day you need to strike the risk VS reward balance with all drugs. A lot of people recover with NO drugs.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

So yes, more tests needed. Which is why the UK is restarting their trial. But this disproves the 100% success rate.
And if you read the label, there are side effects.
At the end of the day you need to strike the risk VS reward balance with all drugs. A lot of people recover with NO drugs.

Don't recall anyone claiming 100% success rate?

The president of the United States said he used it and has been flogged by pussy worshipers on the ABC here in Australia...daily.

I don't care about Donald Trump, but the incessant denigration by the likes of Lee Sales and all the other 97% female composition journalists at the ABC just...annoys me....all because he said he loves pussies 30 years ago....

The other 3% at the ABC are tight pants weather boys and skinny Vegan morning news readers...(may as well call them girls.)

Donald Trump hasn't caught Covid-19 yet......wonder how come?
(could it be some hydroxychloroquine ?)

Must be annoying the crap out of the lefty ABC propaganda units.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by zilo

Don't recall anyone claiming 100% success rate?

The president of the United States said he used it and has been flogged by pussy worshipers on the ABC here in Australia...daily.

I don't care about Donald Trump, but the incessant denigration by the likes of Lee Sales and all the other 97% female composition journalists at the ABC just...annoys me....all because he said he loves pussies 30 years ago....

The other 3% at the ABC are tight pants weather boys and skinny Vegan morning news readers...(may as well call them girls.)

Donald Trump hasn't caught Covid-19 yet......wonder how come?
(could it be some hydroxychloroquine ?)

Must be annoying the crap out of the lefty ABC propaganda units.

If you truly believe what you're saying in this post, and not just saying it to raise a response, then it would have to be one of the most out of touch posts I've seen on these forums. And I've been on here for over 13 years.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by zilo

Don't recall anyone claiming 100% success rate?

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Donald Trump hasn't caught Covid-19 yet......wonder how come?
(could it be some hydroxychloroquine ?)

Must be annoying the crap out of the lefty ABC propaganda units.

Peter Navarro was interviewed last night. He said there is no downside, only upside. False. And because it can have negative health effect on some people, medical experts need to be sure that the risk vs reward balance are in patient's favour.....at the moment there isn't sufficient proof.

How come Trump hasn't had it? Well neither has a big portion of the world's population. Leaders like Trump would also get special treatment, they would have a team that would constantly be deep cleaning the white house, he won't be catching public transport. During his ralies, he is on stage that is far enough from the crowds. I would say he is extremely low risk.

Balsanaro is also a massive advocate of hydroxxxxxxx. He actually mingled with constitutuents. BAM.....got hit. Having said that, he has recovered pretty quick, but so do a large % of people not taking the drug.

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The New England Journal of Medicine study on hydroxxxxx for mild to moderate cases.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

"A total of 18 patients died in the hospital during the trial (5 patients assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 7 in the hydroxychloroquine-alone group, and 6 in the control group). There were no significant between-group differences with regard to the secondary outcomes of thromboembolic complications or acute kidney injury within 15 days, either in the prespecified analyses (Table 2) or in post hoc analyses that accounted for the competing risk of death (Table S11)."

Every single study promoting HCQ has made clear it must be given early, they state it has the reported ability to stop the virus from replicating within the cells avoiding the immune response that causes the respiratory failure leading to intubation and intimately death.

So yes you are correct in saying that many of the people who have recovered may have recovered anyway had they not taken it, but that also means that the argument can be made of how many people could have been saved had they had HCQ early and avoided being intubated?

This is the question being asked, it’s not in anyway suggesting that it’s a miracle drug that will bring people back from the dead, it’s being suggested it could be used to avoid people ending up in hospital.

There are also mainstream studies out there suggesting vitamin D deficiency has a strong link with C19 infection results, that’s not to suggest if you pump someone in a respirator full of vitamin D that they will all of a sudden recover.

If someone’s health condition means it’s unsafe, then it’s unsafe.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Every single study promoting HCQ has made clear it must be given early, they state it has the reported ability to stop the virus from replicating within the cells avoiding the immune response that causes the respiratory failure leading to intubation and intimately death.

So yes you are correct in saying that many of the people who have recovered may have recovered anyway had they not taken it, but that also means that the argument can be made of how many people could have been saved had they had HCQ early and avoided being intubated?

This is the question being asked, it’s not in anyway suggesting that it’s a miracle drug that will bring people back from the dead, it’s being suggested it could be used to avoid people ending up in hospital.

There are also mainstream studies out there suggesting vitamin D deficiency has a strong link with C19 infection results, that’s not to suggest if you pump someone in a respirator full of vitamin D that they will all of a sudden recover.

If someone’s health condition means it’s unsafe, then it’s unsafe.

So is the suggestion everyone takes HCQ until the virus passes or a vaccine is found? You would be laughing if you were the manufacturer.

And thats a reported ability or proven?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Polyal

So is the suggestion everyone takes HCQ until the virus passes or a vaccine is found? You would be laughing if you were the manufacturer.

And thats a reported ability or proven?

There are studies underway including locally (unless they were canned with the hospital use as GTP Owner mentioned) to test its effectiveness as a Covid preventive with health care workers.

https://www.wehi.edu.au/news/covid19...thcare-workers

Masks don’t work to 100% effectiveness, neither does social distancing any other measure we have at the moment, if we added something like this in, even if it helped a notable percentage and helped control this infection isn’t that what we all want?

If for example it’s unsafe for the elderly in homes, which from what I’ve read is very debatable, but the workers could take it to avoid cross contamination this would be a great result.

The cost of this experiment at a couple of dollars a week per person would be a drop in the ocean compared to what the economy is bleeding per week.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

The cost of this experiment at a couple of dollars a week per person would be a drop in the ocean compared to what the economy is bleeding per week.

I understand what you are saying but I think you are underestimating how complex running an experiment like this can be. First you have to get consent from all the staff, including temp relief workers, to participate in the trial. What if some won't take part? Some of these places have high staff turnover.
Then everyone has to be monitored for side effects. This drug has been around a long time and its side effects are well known. Compliance also has to be monitored to make sure everyone takes what they should when they should.
Then someone has to try and make sense of the data that is collected. Will we get usable information? How will you decide whether what happens is due to the trial or just happened by chance?

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

The New England Journal of Medicine study on hydroxxxxx for mild to moderate cases.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2019014

"A total of 18 patients died in the hospital during the trial (5 patients assigned to receive hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 7 in the hydroxychloroquine-alone group, and 6 in the control group). There were no significant between-group differences with regard to the secondary outcomes of thromboembolic complications or acute kidney injury within 15 days, either in the prespecified analyses (Table 2) or in post hoc analyses that accounted for the competing risk of death (Table S11)."

Note: All patients were already hospitalised

[gooseneck]

I wouldn't trust any info coming out of a country that thinks herd immunity will work and bets the life of its people on that assumption.

The UK really likes to **** its people over.

[Polyal]

Was listening to the ABC/BBC this morning and they were interviewing a US medical advisor to Trumpypoo and he categorically states there is no good or reliable study showing any benefit at all for hydroxxxxx relating to CV19. None. Period.

Ill see if I can dig up the transcript but it was ~5:45Am AEST.

Originally Posted by zilo

Donald Trump hasn't caught Covid-19 yet......wonder how come?
(could it be some hydroxychloroquine ?)

It is a shame, or is it just unreported? It would be the nail in the coffin for him it he does get it. That theory is a whack as any other supporting him.

It is amazing some are suggesting we should be taking an unproven drug (in this application) as a preventative measure with no proof, studies or due diligence. If that doesn't sum up how desperate Trump supporters are to blindly back him then good luck to you.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Was listening to the ABC/BBC this morning and they were interviewing a ........

Sorry buddy...I tuned out when you mentioned the oestrogen infestation.

One pandemic is enough....

[russellw]

278 new cases for Australia and 9 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.130% and active cases rise to 5,973. NSW recorded 29, WA 2, Queensland 3 and the balance were in Victoria.

2 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.412% and active cases rise to 23.

The UK recorded 763 new cases and 83 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.246%.

Just over 65k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,216 deaths sees CMR down to 3.385% and active cases at 48.0% with the raw numbers still rising. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Despite what I said, global cases pass 17M with the last 1M in 4 days;
The USA completes 56M tests;
Asia records a new high for daily cases with 76,301;

Lebanon (182), Libya (205), Bosnia & Herzegovina (361), Czechia (374), Uzbekistan (692), Morocco (826), Iraq (2,968) and India (52,249) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[cheap]

723 new cases in Victoria.

This is bizarre as I can't see Victorians not wanting to comply with the crisis. Perhaps the testing process, testing kits, and or both might be flawed?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by cheap

723 new cases in Victoria.

This is bizarre as I can't see Victorian not wanting to comply with the crisis. Perhaps the testing process, testing kits, and or both might be flawed?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...-high/12506262

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-...-high/12506262

Biggest takeaway from that article for me is, and I think this needs to be highlighted to every Victorian who is reading this post:

From midnight Sunday all Victorians, including those in regional areas, will be required to wear face coverings when they leave their homes.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Biggest takeaway from that article for me is, and I think this needs to be highlighted to every Victorian who is reading this post:

I'm suspect on their effectiveness given the current increasing case numbers.

It's all a bit bull**** IMO - been a week now with masks and numbers are higher than ever.

But I figure there's a bit of a lag on the results, up to 5-7 days for results, time for people to develop symptoms and get tested etc - what time period are these 700+ new cases from?

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by cheap

723 new cases in Victoria.

This is bizarre as I can't see Victorians not wanting to comply with the crisis. Perhaps the testing process, testing kits, and or both might be flawed?

That would imply that the testing process is producing false negatives, Therefore artificially pumping up numbers? Surely not!